Strategy 2022: Round 3 Trades
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Definitely doing Dixon or Soligo to Xerri.
Considering doing Whitfield or Ridley to Hall and possibly the leftover to Bowey.
Possibly Soligo to Macdonald also on the cards.
Other option is McGovern to Heeney but don't really want to trade him out but it's the only viable move if I want to move on Heeney now. Think my trust issues with Heeney mean I'm actually happy to pay 100k more for some certainty on him if that's what it means.
Xerri will definitely come in and could end up being the only trade though.
Considering doing Whitfield or Ridley to Hall and possibly the leftover to Bowey.
Possibly Soligo to Macdonald also on the cards.
Other option is McGovern to Heeney but don't really want to trade him out but it's the only viable move if I want to move on Heeney now. Think my trust issues with Heeney mean I'm actually happy to pay 100k more for some certainty on him if that's what it means.
Xerri will definitely come in and could end up being the only trade though.
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Yeah it's a serious conundrum for me, were you not keen on him because of last year? I chalked up last years performances and average as being down to his liver injury and thought he'd be over that by now and would fly, but perhaps not?
The difficult thing to figure out is whether it's just two bad games (which can happen) or a sign of a genuine decline, obviously he will average better than 71 but will he only go low 90's like he did last year? His ceiling in 2019 was 115-120 when he wasn't injury affected and it was the same in 2020 after the slow start and after the concussion. His best performances seemed to come at the wing - half-forward / positionless uncontested all over the ground role, is his role the exact same now? It's possible that given the amount of small injuries he's had since 2019 that his body has hit a bit of a wall and he's on the decline, 28 is actually a year where a lot of players start to trend downwards (but by no means all players). I was pretty sure in preseason that he would get over the liver injury and average 105-110 for the season, but so far he's moving slow and doesn't look the same.
Ridley hasn't been finding much of the ball and isn't being used enough as an outlet, for his scoring to improve in that role he needs to start intercepting at higher rate. Has played two fairly solid forward lines which would not help him and it's easy to see him scoring and intercepting more freely against weaker opposition. I think he goes 100 for the year, just not sure if he has Whitfield's ceiling if Whitfield can rediscover his form.
The question is just whether Whitfield is already on the decline from his peak and won't perform better after a prolonged recover from his liver injury. Is it genuine decline or just two bad games and maybe he has put on some size and will adjust soon. He went 134 DT in the first practice game vs Sydney(not sure what the SC was), 96 in the AAMI game vs Pies and now gone 73 and 70 in the season. The sample size is small and it's hard to know what to do but he is just not moving well.
In reality he's only had one game worse than Ridley, before the season he was way more of a lock to me and I thought he had a higher ceiling, he is also cheaper
I'm quite confident Ridley goes about 100 with a range of 95-105, whereas I dont know what Whitfield averages and I think it could be between 85 and 115.
The difficult thing to figure out is whether it's just two bad games (which can happen) or a sign of a genuine decline, obviously he will average better than 71 but will he only go low 90's like he did last year? His ceiling in 2019 was 115-120 when he wasn't injury affected and it was the same in 2020 after the slow start and after the concussion. His best performances seemed to come at the wing - half-forward / positionless uncontested all over the ground role, is his role the exact same now? It's possible that given the amount of small injuries he's had since 2019 that his body has hit a bit of a wall and he's on the decline, 28 is actually a year where a lot of players start to trend downwards (but by no means all players). I was pretty sure in preseason that he would get over the liver injury and average 105-110 for the season, but so far he's moving slow and doesn't look the same.
Ridley hasn't been finding much of the ball and isn't being used enough as an outlet, for his scoring to improve in that role he needs to start intercepting at higher rate. Has played two fairly solid forward lines which would not help him and it's easy to see him scoring and intercepting more freely against weaker opposition. I think he goes 100 for the year, just not sure if he has Whitfield's ceiling if Whitfield can rediscover his form.
The question is just whether Whitfield is already on the decline from his peak and won't perform better after a prolonged recover from his liver injury. Is it genuine decline or just two bad games and maybe he has put on some size and will adjust soon. He went 134 DT in the first practice game vs Sydney(not sure what the SC was), 96 in the AAMI game vs Pies and now gone 73 and 70 in the season. The sample size is small and it's hard to know what to do but he is just not moving well.
In reality he's only had one game worse than Ridley, before the season he was way more of a lock to me and I thought he had a higher ceiling, he is also cheaper
I'm quite confident Ridley goes about 100 with a range of 95-105, whereas I dont know what Whitfield averages and I think it could be between 85 and 115.
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Don't need the money now, but 35K extra is always going to be handy moving forward
Whitfield is a massive chance to miss games but Whitfield has a much higher ceiling, which is my concern in fading him. I said about the same because I'm fairly confident Ridley averages 100 and Whitfield is anywhere between 90-110, the same if he lands between those numbers.
Whitfield is a massive chance to miss games but Whitfield has a much higher ceiling, which is my concern in fading him. I said about the same because I'm fairly confident Ridley averages 100 and Whitfield is anywhere between 90-110, the same if he lands between those numbers.
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Thinking of using a trade boost this week.
Gawn/ Ward/ McGovern out Butters (swap English into ruck)/ Cripps/ Xerri in.
Think Gawn struggles to be the super dominant ruck he’s been recently if Jackson plays as well as he has. Butters scoring well as a midfielder, Cripps looks fit and Xerri seems to be playing the number 1 mantle. I really like these trades, will see how I feel later in the week.
Gawn/ Ward/ McGovern out Butters (swap English into ruck)/ Cripps/ Xerri in.
Think Gawn struggles to be the super dominant ruck he’s been recently if Jackson plays as well as he has. Butters scoring well as a midfielder, Cripps looks fit and Xerri seems to be playing the number 1 mantle. I really like these trades, will see how I feel later in the week.
Yeah it's a serious conundrum for me, were you not keen on him because of last year? I chalked up last years performances and average as being down to his liver injury and thought he'd be over that by now and would fly, but perhaps not?
The difficult thing to figure out is whether it's just two bad games (which can happen) or a sign of a genuine decline, obviously he will average better than 71 but will he only go low 90's like he did last year? His ceiling in 2019 was 115-120 when he wasn't injury affected and it was the same in 2020 after the slow start and after the concussion. His best performances seemed to come at the wing - half-forward / positionless uncontested all over the ground role, is his role the exact same now? It's possible that given the amount of small injuries he's had since 2019 that his body has hit a bit of a wall and he's on the decline, 28 is actually a year where a lot of players start to trend downwards (but by no means all players). I was pretty sure in preseason that he would get over the liver injury and average 105-110 for the season, but so far he's moving slow and doesn't look the same.
Ridley hasn't been finding much of the ball and isn't being used enough as an outlet, for his scoring to improve in that role he needs to start intercepting at higher rate. Has played two fairly solid forward lines which would not help him and it's easy to see him scoring and intercepting more freely against weaker opposition. I think he goes 100 for the year, just not sure if he has Whitfield's ceiling if Whitfield can rediscover his form.
The question is just whether Whitfield is already on the decline from his peak and won't perform better after a prolonged recover from his liver injury. Is it genuine decline or just two bad games and maybe he has put on some size and will adjust soon. He went 134 DT in the first practice game vs Sydney(not sure what the SC was), 96 in the AAMI game vs Pies and now gone 73 and 70 in the season. The sample size is small and it's hard to know what to do but he is just not moving well.
In reality he's only had one game better than Ridley, before the season he was way more of a lock to me and I thought he had a higher ceiling, he is also cheaper I'm quite confident Ridley goes about 100 with a range of 95-105, whereas I dont know what Whitfield averages and I think it could be between 85 and 115.
The difficult thing to figure out is whether it's just two bad games (which can happen) or a sign of a genuine decline, obviously he will average better than 71 but will he only go low 90's like he did last year? His ceiling in 2019 was 115-120 when he wasn't injury affected and it was the same in 2020 after the slow start and after the concussion. His best performances seemed to come at the wing - half-forward / positionless uncontested all over the ground role, is his role the exact same now? It's possible that given the amount of small injuries he's had since 2019 that his body has hit a bit of a wall and he's on the decline, 28 is actually a year where a lot of players start to trend downwards (but by no means all players). I was pretty sure in preseason that he would get over the liver injury and average 105-110 for the season, but so far he's moving slow and doesn't look the same.
Ridley hasn't been finding much of the ball and isn't being used enough as an outlet, for his scoring to improve in that role he needs to start intercepting at higher rate. Has played two fairly solid forward lines which would not help him and it's easy to see him scoring and intercepting more freely against weaker opposition. I think he goes 100 for the year, just not sure if he has Whitfield's ceiling if Whitfield can rediscover his form.
The question is just whether Whitfield is already on the decline from his peak and won't perform better after a prolonged recover from his liver injury. Is it genuine decline or just two bad games and maybe he has put on some size and will adjust soon. He went 134 DT in the first practice game vs Sydney(not sure what the SC was), 96 in the AAMI game vs Pies and now gone 73 and 70 in the season. The sample size is small and it's hard to know what to do but he is just not moving well.
In reality he's only had one game better than Ridley, before the season he was way more of a lock to me and I thought he had a higher ceiling, he is also cheaper
I'm quite confident Ridley goes about 100 with a range of 95-105, whereas I dont know what Whitfield averages and I think it could be between 85 and 115.
Watching him today and he just seemed off, maybe he does reach a higher ceiling but how many weeks of low scores do you cop first. I'm jumping off now, worst case I get him back later on having wasted an extra trade.
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I actually don't have Merrett in my side.
Berry is definitely the only way to get a Cripps in, but I'm not 100% sure Cripps is a must-have (though I'm definitely not opposed to making that move).
A disappointing week for my young's - 53 from Nick Daicos and 53 from Ward (but a 95 from Dylan Stephens on my bench)
Berry is definitely the only way to get a Cripps in, but I'm not 100% sure Cripps is a must-have (though I'm definitely not opposed to making that move).
A disappointing week for my young's - 53 from Nick Daicos and 53 from Ward (but a 95 from Dylan Stephens on my bench)
Honestly it really depends on how you want to judge it...
Ridley - Not getting or demanding nearly enough ball, relying on ratio porn to get the job done is very high risk, averaging only 65.5 in DT, that's terrible for those who don't play and indicates he's barely touching it.
Positives obviously that CD have thought he was good this week despite the eye test and given him a really good score. He's also durable historically so if he can scrape together a mid 90s season at least you've got a D6 type, it's not ideal but it's something...
Whitfield - Getting a fair bit more of it, especially this week, but is still a clanger waiting to happen. DT of 78.5 is a better base but he's never been a good ratio guy because he's a low quality ball user who doesn't win contested ball, a bad combination and highly unlikely that either changes at this point. That said he's not THIS bad a ball user. Another issue is that Cumming, an elite ball user, and Perryman, a better ball user, both get a lot of the defensive rebound work and Kelly and Coniglio both take a lot of the midfield work (not that either are any better by foot).
Positive is that he's finding some ball and they've played two tough teams, Sydney look really good and Geelong's elite ball winning types also really struggled to find the pill and Richmond can be quite a pain to play against with their manic pressure and intercept work, neither things that suit him. Docherty played much better but didn't find any more pill and Williams, Newman, Fisher and LOB all really struggled to find the pill also.
I've got both and honestly no idea what to do. 2 bad games but also two losses against top sides for both, Whitfield has always been a downhill skier and Ridley is better set when he can position himself.
Yes but he's time limited by whenever Salem comes back and that's out of the ordinary rather than sustainable scoring. He definitely took over the secondary rebounding role to May and was a preferred kicker for them but they've got a few options to do that role and could change on a weekly basis. He's definitely looking the best of the bunch at that price though.
Ridley - Not getting or demanding nearly enough ball, relying on ratio porn to get the job done is very high risk, averaging only 65.5 in DT, that's terrible for those who don't play and indicates he's barely touching it.
Positives obviously that CD have thought he was good this week despite the eye test and given him a really good score. He's also durable historically so if he can scrape together a mid 90s season at least you've got a D6 type, it's not ideal but it's something...
Whitfield - Getting a fair bit more of it, especially this week, but is still a clanger waiting to happen. DT of 78.5 is a better base but he's never been a good ratio guy because he's a low quality ball user who doesn't win contested ball, a bad combination and highly unlikely that either changes at this point. That said he's not THIS bad a ball user. Another issue is that Cumming, an elite ball user, and Perryman, a better ball user, both get a lot of the defensive rebound work and Kelly and Coniglio both take a lot of the midfield work (not that either are any better by foot).
Positive is that he's finding some ball and they've played two tough teams, Sydney look really good and Geelong's elite ball winning types also really struggled to find the pill and Richmond can be quite a pain to play against with their manic pressure and intercept work, neither things that suit him. Docherty played much better but didn't find any more pill and Williams, Newman, Fisher and LOB all really struggled to find the pill also.
I've got both and honestly no idea what to do. 2 bad games but also two losses against top sides for both, Whitfield has always been a downhill skier and Ridley is better set when he can position himself.
Yes but he's time limited by whenever Salem comes back and that's out of the ordinary rather than sustainable scoring. He definitely took over the secondary rebounding role to May and was a preferred kicker for them but they've got a few options to do that role and could change on a weekly basis. He's definitely looking the best of the bunch at that price though.
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Def: Hall, Short, Daniel, Whitfield, Hewett, Chapman (McCartin, DeKonig)
Mid: Macrae, Wines, Neale, Cripps, Rowell, Berry, Daicos, Stephens (Ward, MacDonald, Hough)
Ruck: Grundy, Preuss (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Butters, Conigs, Brodie, Xerri, Rachele (Martin, Dixon)
Chapman to Bowey D6
Berry M6 to T.Green M5
Thoughts?
Tempted Wines to Petracca as Wines getting robbed by dud Port Forwards who cant take a grab
Has been solid without being spectacular, Boak stealing his clearances.
Mid: Macrae, Wines, Neale, Cripps, Rowell, Berry, Daicos, Stephens (Ward, MacDonald, Hough)
Ruck: Grundy, Preuss (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Butters, Conigs, Brodie, Xerri, Rachele (Martin, Dixon)
Chapman to Bowey D6
Berry M6 to T.Green M5
Thoughts?
Tempted Wines to Petracca as Wines getting robbed by dud Port Forwards who cant take a grab
Has been solid without being spectacular, Boak stealing his clearances.
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