Strategy 2022: Round 3 Trades

[Shannon]

For those looking at trading Whitfield,
last year he started with scores of 83, 74 & 80.

Then 4 of his next 5 games were 110, 120, 126 and 116.

Maybe it takes him a few weeks to get going?

Interesting, think I will give him another week - don’t make me regret it Lachie 🙏😂

 

[pizza safety]

Honestly it really depends on how you want to judge it...

Ridley - Not getting or demanding nearly enough ball, relying on ratio porn to get the job done is very high risk, averaging only 65.5 in DT, that's terrible for those who don't play and indicates he's barely touching it.

Positives obviously that CD have thought he was good this week despite the eye test and given him a really good score. He's also durable historically so if he can scrape together a mid 90s season at least you've got a D6 type, it's not ideal but it's something...

Whitfield - Getting a fair bit more of it, especially this week, but is still a clanger waiting to happen. DT of 78.5 is a better base but he's never been a good ratio guy because he's a low quality ball user who doesn't win contested ball, a bad combination and highly unlikely that either changes at this point. That said he's not THIS bad a ball user. Another issue is that Cumming, an elite ball user, and Perryman, a better ball user, both get a lot of the defensive rebound work and Kelly and Coniglio both take a lot of the midfield work (not that either are any better by foot).

Positive is that he's finding some ball and they've played two tough teams, Sydney look really good and Geelong's elite ball winning types also really struggled to find the pill and Richmond can be quite a pain to play against with their manic pressure and intercept work, neither things that suit him. Docherty played much better but didn't find any more pill and Williams, Newman, Fisher and LOB all really struggled to find the pill also.

I've got both and honestly no idea what to do. 2 bad games but also two losses against top sides for both, Whitfield has always been a downhill skier and Ridley is better set when he can position himself.





Yes but he's time limited by whenever Salem comes back and that's out of the ordinary rather than sustainable scoring. He definitely took over the secondary rebounding role to May and was a preferred kicker for them but they've got a few options to do that role and could change on a weekly basis. He's definitely looking the best of the bunch at that price though.

ratio porn, good call.

I don't personally think that Whitfield's ball use was bad before last season, but I think it has seriously dropped off since late last year and so far this year, along with him looking more laboured in his movement across the ground. I would have said he was a top 5 ball user in the comp from 2018 - 2020, his prospectus profile of 2019 and 2020 goes on about how impactful his kicking is/was. Either way he can't use it well atm and that's a serious problem for SC. Ridley and Whitfield are in different universes atm, one scoring too well in SC and the other too poorly, but the Ridley/Sicily type of defender tends to outperform their DT score by 20-25 pts in SC. And Whitfield always kicks, marks heaps uncontested and hardly wins any contested ball, even if he's a good kick he's still going to be more predisposed to better DT scoring.

 

[manyproblems]

ratio porn, good call.

I don't personally think that Whitfield's ball use was bad before last season, but I think it has seriously dropped off since late last year and so far this year, along with him looking more laboured in his movement across the ground. I would have said he was a top 5 ball user in the comp from 2018 - 2020, his prospectus profile of 2019 and 2020 goes on about how impactful his kicking is/was. Either way he can't use it well atm and that's a serious problem for SC. Ridley and Whitfield are in different universes atm, one scoring too well in SC and the other too poorly, but the Ridley/Sicily type of defender tends to outperform their SC score by 20-25 pts. And Whitfield always kicks, marks heaps uncontested and hardly wins any contested ball.

On Whitfield, I sat behind the goals today and watched him. His work rate isn’t what it used to be, or at least today. Short was sprinting to receive the ball from after he kicks it in wheraa Whitfield had his back turned for the first few seconds when Cumming took a kick in. As said in this thread his disposal, both kicking and handballing has gone to crap for some reason.

Last year he was wing and HB and so far it looks like pure HB, although I couldn’t see far enough if he started on a wing at all but for sure large majority back. He was 95 in both Wing/Hb last year less concussion game, not great but is suppose to be fitter. He certainly did not look super fit to me with his off the ball jogging which almost looked like labouring

 

[Shaunpro1]

On Whitfield, I sat behind the goals today and watched him. His work rate isn’t what it used to be, or at least today. Short was sprinting to receive the ball from after he kicks it in wheraa Whitfield had his back turned for the first few seconds when Cumming took a kick in. As said in this thread his disposal, both kicking and handballing has gone to crap for some reason.

Last year he was wing and HB and so far it looks like pure HB, although I couldn’t see far enough if he started on a wing at all but for sure large majority back. He was 95 in both Wing/Hb last year less concussion game, not great but is suppose to be fitter. He certainly did not look super fit to me with his off the ball jogging which almost looked like labouring

Looked like a guy playing through an injury to me, just didnt seem to want to get out of first gear all night.

 

[pizza safety]

On Whitfield, I sat behind the goals today and watched him. His work rate isn’t what it used to be, or at least today. Short was sprinting to receive the ball from after he kicks it in wheraa Whitfield had his back turned for the first few seconds when Cumming took a kick in. As said in this thread his disposal, both kicking and handballing has gone to crap for some reason.

Last year he was wing and HB and so far it looks like pure HB, although I couldn’t see far enough if he started on a wing at all but for sure large majority back. He was 95 in both Wing/Hb last year less concussion game, not great but is suppose to be fitter. He certainly did not look super fit to me with his off the ball jogging which almost looked like labouring

Cheers for your thoughts Jords, that's all interesting to hear and it certainly looked that way on tv. I did some reading tonight on the liver injury he had and he did say it could take up to 18 months for his liver to fully recover, perhaps that injury and what it has done to his whole body is still impacting him and he is going to take a while longer to get up to speed and fully fit (if he does). He may be fit in terms of running but respond poorly to physical contests and things like that (I'm guessing). I say that because they were saying he's fitter than ever during preseason. Knowing him he also could have just copped a new injury in the last month we don't know about.

He's a funny player because he's had this crazy ceiling from 2019-2020 along with an endless run of injuries and health problems, maybe the period for him to reach his ceiling has unfortunately passed and he's just not going to reach those heights again. His body has copped a battering and maybe he is a bit wrecked from it all.

I'm definitely leaning more towards keeping Ridley and trading Whit the more I think about it.

 

[tso]

Team after proposed trades

 

[froffershanners]

Think I’m locked into Whitfield to Hewett.

Will consider McGovern to Jackson but not sure if I’m just chasing last weeks points with that or if Jackson could legitimately become an F6.

 

[Munkea]

Locked into McGovern > Xerri and Berry > Bowey/Caldwell. Tossing up whether to go Ridley > Brayshaw/Hall.

Leaning towards Bowey and bringing in Brayshaw. Wanted him in the preseason but couldn't quite squeeze him in.

 

[Leroy]

Lots of people going for Bowey... but unless you started him it feels like the maths is pushing you uphill

Pre-season you might have had him averaging 60; maybe now you revise that to 80-85. Means he gets to low $400ks at best, is not really a keeper (Salem is coming) and has cost you two trades (one in, one out) to produce $150k of value.

Unless the player you are removing is complete dead-wood or you're structurally stuck, feels like burning up trades.

 

[Yasi]

Trade assist suggestions are not horrible

 

[Juzzo]

Trade assist suggestions are not horrible
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Same with mine, but I thought they looked ok, lol.

 

[Juzzo]

Thomas out for:
Heeney, Butters or Jackson?

 

[PC]

Thomas out for:
Heeney, Butters or Jackson?

Butters. Heeney is relying on goals and Jackson is speculative.

 

[Game of Sloanes]

Trades made this round
McGovern - Heeney
Ward - Nic Martin
Preuss - Hayes

Don't really want to get rid of Ward, but looking at it as an upgrade allowing me to get Heeney giving me 14 keepers
Will have to make another 2 trades in the next few rounds to move on the non playing rookies but with a strong side i don't mind blowing a few trades early

 

[Locus Levy Lunacy]

Have fortunately started well and have most of the mid-price/value options that most will rightly prioritise.

Don't have Rachele, but basically picked Curnow instead as a more senior body who hopefully provides the spike games.

Watching most games over the weekend, the rucks were interesting. There were so many tough, tangled, neutral contests where no-one could get a clear advantage. The number of times Marshall and Meek/Darcy both ended up on the ground after a ruck contest was comical. I have Marshall and he had a very tough day at the office against those 2.

If rucks are to continue to struggle to dominate, there could be huge value in downgrading there. English and Jackson are options, but you could go even further. Preuss surely comes in this week after Flynn struggled. They were using bloody Tom Green as back-up. I'm not sure how bad Darcy is, but if it is a syndesmosis, then Meek becomes hugely relevant. The big, bustling (less-skilled) guys seem to be more capable of neutralising the previously dominant ruckmen.

Interesting few days to confuse the **** out of oneself!

 

[donnybuang]

Quite a few Berry to Bowey trades here. Ultimate sideways move.

 

[Yasi]

Same with mine, but I thought they looked ok, lol.

Lol. I agree they look ok and “not horrible”

 

[donnybuang]

Is it too soon to worry about Jarrod Berry?

Berry owners are hoping for a repeat of 2020. Check his 2020 scores and decide if you think he can repeat this.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Whitfield to Hewett the second it opens up.

I feel a lot of emotions in that comment, yet smashing it with a 17th rank for the week, well done Mudflaps.

I am torn between Hewett and Bowey. Hewett great value if he continues around 100-105 once Cerra back in and makes $100k, did do some defensive work on Bont, does this impact his scoring in time (Bont wasn't really firing so think it was a short tag). Bowey an easy $100k maybe $150k to be made.

 

[Ironhawk]

Trade assist suggestions are not horrible
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Last round this suggested Gawn to Hayes for me. Almost wish I had listened.