Position 2023: Forwards Discussion
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Totally get what you’re saying, but one thing I think makes it a good move is the safety by numbers. Already 50% owned so he doesn’t really hurt you if he starts slow, and if the first few games show the role isn’t there or there are concerns it’s an easy correction.
Personally I think his role will be good and can see him hitting the levels needed to make it a strong starting pick. He can score up forward so if he rests forward when Martin gets a midfield burst, it would completely destroy him. That said, he will be locked in that midfield so don’t see many red flags.
Personally I think his role will be good and can see him hitting the levels needed to make it a strong starting pick. He can score up forward so if he rests forward when Martin gets a midfield burst, it would completely destroy him. That said, he will be locked in that midfield so don’t see many red flags.
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Price: $321,200
2022:
Lowest disposal average (12.8) since debut season (11.1) in 2016. All other seasons in between 15 and above.
Lowest marks average (2.7).
4/12 matches with 15 or more disposals for a SC avg 76.75 (61+68+88+90)
Career disposals avg: 16.2
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 17: 84.27 from 33 (12/33 below 80, 23/33 below 100)
SC avg when disposals below 17: 53.92 from 41 (36/41 below 80, 41/41 below 100)
Price: $321,200
2022:
Lowest disposal average (12.8) since debut season (11.1) in 2016. All other seasons in between 15 and above.
Lowest marks average (2.7).
4/12 matches with 15 or more disposals for a SC avg 76.75 (61+68+88+90)
Career disposals avg: 16.2
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 17: 84.27 from 33 (12/33 below 80, 23/33 below 100)
SC avg when disposals below 17: 53.92 from 41 (36/41 below 80, 41/41 below 100)
Just read a training report on the Freo BF board, they had a match sim yesterday, Fyfe looked excellent :-
The rumours of the death of Bull Fyfe have been greatly exaggerated. Not only did he take on 2-3 in tight on numerous occasions, he did it and he made it work. And he didn’t do that just against the kids either. In the one that stood out to me in the pocket in front of the old stand he got rid of Ryan, Brayshaw and the big kid who scared me before a quick kick forward. In others he got out of tackle attempts from JOM, Stubbs, Brodie, Pearce and Young on separate occasions. He’s bullocking and he’s coming in to his own as the PS goes on. He took a strong contested mark at HF in front of the glory hole in the last, he nailed 1 long-ish set shot and then hit the post with another. He’s a growing threat in the air but he’s downright dangerous on the ground. We have ZERO worries about defensive pressure when he’s up there. I mean none. Based on today the only thing we’ll have to worry about is how long he can keep it up in a game. There are so called defensive forwards in the league who don’t come close to what he did in that regard today. We have one or 2 on our list ourselves. He played against good opposition, he made his presence felt and he is going to be very good for us.
The rumours of the death of Bull Fyfe have been greatly exaggerated. Not only did he take on 2-3 in tight on numerous occasions, he did it and he made it work. And he didn’t do that just against the kids either. In the one that stood out to me in the pocket in front of the old stand he got rid of Ryan, Brayshaw and the big kid who scared me before a quick kick forward. In others he got out of tackle attempts from JOM, Stubbs, Brodie, Pearce and Young on separate occasions. He’s bullocking and he’s coming in to his own as the PS goes on. He took a strong contested mark at HF in front of the glory hole in the last, he nailed 1 long-ish set shot and then hit the post with another. He’s a growing threat in the air but he’s downright dangerous on the ground. We have ZERO worries about defensive pressure when he’s up there. I mean none. Based on today the only thing we’ll have to worry about is how long he can keep it up in a game. There are so called defensive forwards in the league who don’t come close to what he did in that regard today. We have one or 2 on our list ourselves. He played against good opposition, he made his presence felt and he is going to be very good for us.
Not particularly. His durability is by far my biggest concern. When he's played midfield he's scored because he tackles and wins the ball, not really a game style thing that will restrict him.
If his role is terrible preseason it might change but they went after him for a reason, their midfield last year was terrible outside Prestia and some flashes from Short and Cotchin.
Realistically he needs to average about 98, while that's the unideal F6 filler level I think he can push towards 105 if his body holds up and the role is there which would be a solid F4 level barring huge DPP additions.
I do have him behind Dunkley and Rozee and in a battle with Coniglio who I'll prefer if roles are similar as both are fairly equally underpriced, equally terrible on durability and Coniglio is juts a far better player with higher upside if they stay fit.
I think you've nailed this. Their mids that are quality have scored just fine over the years. Prestia has basically been a 100 guy when he's fit, he's just rarely fit. Martin was 100+ for the best part of a decade with some huge seasons. Cotchin was basically 100+ for 7 years with a couple of big seasons.
Heck, Short wasn't even very good last year and he put up 96 as a midfielder.
I don't think Taranto or Hopper are nearly as good as those 3 are but they're young and hungry and will hunt for points. If either of them have been taught how to dispose of the ball to teammates then they could absolutely push 110 ranges and while I doubt that, neither really needs to go that far.
If his role is terrible preseason it might change but they went after him for a reason, their midfield last year was terrible outside Prestia and some flashes from Short and Cotchin.
Realistically he needs to average about 98, while that's the unideal F6 filler level I think he can push towards 105 if his body holds up and the role is there which would be a solid F4 level barring huge DPP additions.
I do have him behind Dunkley and Rozee and in a battle with Coniglio who I'll prefer if roles are similar as both are fairly equally underpriced, equally terrible on durability and Coniglio is juts a far better player with higher upside if they stay fit.
I think you've nailed this. Their mids that are quality have scored just fine over the years. Prestia has basically been a 100 guy when he's fit, he's just rarely fit. Martin was 100+ for the best part of a decade with some huge seasons. Cotchin was basically 100+ for 7 years with a couple of big seasons.
Heck, Short wasn't even very good last year and he put up 96 as a midfielder.
I don't think Taranto or Hopper are nearly as good as those 3 are but they're young and hungry and will hunt for points. If either of them have been taught how to dispose of the ball to teammates then they could absolutely push 110 ranges and while I doubt that, neither really needs to go that far.
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I'm more bullish on Taranto. He's a victim of his versatility, playing tall and having good hands and forward craft which was utilised by the Giants. By virtue of sheer weight of numbers of midfield minutes and accumulation at Richmond he should push his numbers up and if he doesn't butcher it he's capable of 110.
What's more likely is that he pushes to 102-105 which is a more than adequate return from a $500k forward. He'll be frustrating to own in weeks where he gets 30 touches for 90 SC.
What's more likely is that he pushes to 102-105 which is a more than adequate return from a $500k forward. He'll be frustrating to own in weeks where he gets 30 touches for 90 SC.
Yeh I guess this is the big question - does not starting him hurt me? Probably not... It's basically just going to be a toss up between him or Roezee (running Dunk and Cogs F1/F2). Roezee I was really hot on early and now he's a wait and see with midfield minutes between him, butters and JHF. I'm really happy with how the rest is sitting overall at the moment so just looking for preseason games to start to confirm (or completely ruin) a few things.
Dimma deserves coach of the year if he manages to fix Taranto's disposal 
If he managed to do Hopper also just stick him in the HOF now (he's going in anyway but that would be his greatest achievement!).
I expect those problems will probably still be there at the Tigers, I'd be shocked if he's not the guy rotating with Bolton/Martin when they want them in the midfield for bursts. I think he improves just by being fit and he'll get more midfield minutes but I'd be surprised if he's got a pure midfield role. He can still score though, he's not a bad forward at all and still keeps it ticking over and being in a stronger side definitely doesn't hurt this aspect either.
He's in my side at the moment so I think he's a very good pick. I will say I think he's 4th on my forward list though behind Rozee, Dunkley and Coniglio but cash will be the big question.
If he managed to do Hopper also just stick him in the HOF now (he's going in anyway but that would be his greatest achievement!).
I expect those problems will probably still be there at the Tigers, I'd be shocked if he's not the guy rotating with Bolton/Martin when they want them in the midfield for bursts. I think he improves just by being fit and he'll get more midfield minutes but I'd be surprised if he's got a pure midfield role. He can still score though, he's not a bad forward at all and still keeps it ticking over and being in a stronger side definitely doesn't hurt this aspect either.
He's in my side at the moment so I think he's a very good pick. I will say I think he's 4th on my forward list though behind Rozee, Dunkley and Coniglio but cash will be the big question.