Position 2023: Defenders Discussion
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My concern with Daicos is still how hell score when sides put work into him, probably won't get those questions answered in the pre season either as nobody ever seems to bother to put any defensive work into pre season matches, output definitely dropped away last year when he didn't get it all his own way.
Isnt many 2nd year players that come out and go 105+ across a full season which is pretty much whats required from the pick, do acknowledge most kids dont have the talent level of Daicos though, if you ask me right this second I probably have Young as the more likely to do it, more years in the system and far less likely to get any opposition attention, taking on a guy in virtually everyones side would make me very nervous though.
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Taking the value and hopefully reasonable scoring of Yeo,Bowes,Coffield,McKenna,Ginbey plus hopefully swnging at least one of Ziebell and Milera to defence in Round 6 and using them as quick avenues to the likes of Sicily,Stewart,Sinclair and Dawson after price drops is probably going to be my strategy, is far from fool proof but looks the best way to go about it right now.
Hoping one of Daicos and Young will be sufficent for the way I want to play to work.
Hoping one of Daicos and Young will be sufficent for the way I want to play to work.
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Yeap, #35 what a talent, makes it more difficult being a PIES supporter, but im thinking the same way. Will get a bit more attention this year and although he has put on a bit more body mass i cannot see him in the midfield role yet. On my team page looks out of place at D1/D2 and then you have Yeo at D3 who is cheaper and should match #35 in terms of points.
I woud also put Fyfe in this category.
I woud also put Fyfe in this category.
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So I had a look at some other names just to compare and basically Fyfe and Oliver were the two that stood out to that 105 jump in their second year, they were/are pretty good players too. Merrett did it in year 3 and Taranto close also in year 3. Numbers below.
Fyfe (72-108), Macrae (61 - 100), Merrett (Y3 87 - 111), Walsh (86 - 98), Oliver (70 - 112), Taranto (Y3 89 - 102)
That said, I don't think he needs to go to 105. For me I'd be happy with a 10 pt average boost to 100 which he's more than capable of IMO.
Fyfe (72-108), Macrae (61 - 100), Merrett (Y3 87 - 111), Walsh (86 - 98), Oliver (70 - 112), Taranto (Y3 89 - 102)
That said, I don't think he needs to go to 105. For me I'd be happy with a 10 pt average boost to 100 which he's more than capable of IMO.
Certainly something to think about there. Based on his midfield numbers last year, you'd need him to repeat those performances. No reason why he can't and I'd absolutely take Daicos if the crystal ball gave me 100 avg for 23 games. That puts him in the top 10 defenders last year (on average with a glut of them around the 100 mark) and top 6 total points. So at $500k and some uncertainty around the starting "top" DEFs, it would be an easy selection. I guess the obvious question then is - does he have the midfield game of a 2nd year Fyfe / Oliver / Macrae?
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Isaac Cumming - Averaged 107 with Himmelberg forward to round 9 and averaged 87 from round 9 onwards when HH went to defence.
HH playing forward this season, quicker ball movement - could be a smoky for another 10ppg increase.
Whitfield will be back in defence, so a bit of risk there but interesting scoring split over last season.
HH playing forward this season, quicker ball movement - could be a smoky for another 10ppg increase.
Whitfield will be back in defence, so a bit of risk there but interesting scoring split over last season.
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Something to add, reminds me of the 2021 pre season when a lot were considering Jordan Clark v Isaac Cumming
Cumming looked no where near it in AAMI Community Series and Clark was the clear stand out, Cumming turned out to be a great pick and Clark not so much and there wasn't much of an indicator to separate the two before round 1.
Cumming looked no where near it in AAMI Community Series and Clark was the clear stand out, Cumming turned out to be a great pick and Clark not so much and there wasn't much of an indicator to separate the two before round 1.
To be fair, his single best game was the Adelaide game where he played midfield and flat out dominated, was so good that day.
I don't 100% buy the midfield being better because of how they play, Crisp a perfect example but I think he's got serious potential to improve, his work rate on field definitely seems to extend off field so I expect he's going to be bigger, stronger, faster and fitter this year, he's so skillful that's another plus. Oliver jumped to 112 in his 2nd season, Daicos was better in his first.
I'd say Mills or Laird are the comparisons for him though, that elite ball user who scores excellently down back but has all the skills to play and score even better in midfield.
Also averaged 105 over the last 11 games last year, so really you could easily point to that as reason enough.
Basically there's a lot of for arguments and most can probably pick a few but once you're talking 50% of sides, the question starts to become whether he's actually worth challenging by not taking, say he gets to 105, then he's a bargain keeper and you're going to be hurting. If he hit 115, which I don't think is improbable, then you're in huge trouble.
There's definitely reasons to not pick him but is the risk worth it?
Definitely very high on the watch list in preseason for me.
I don't 100% buy the midfield being better because of how they play, Crisp a perfect example but I think he's got serious potential to improve, his work rate on field definitely seems to extend off field so I expect he's going to be bigger, stronger, faster and fitter this year, he's so skillful that's another plus. Oliver jumped to 112 in his 2nd season, Daicos was better in his first.
I'd say Mills or Laird are the comparisons for him though, that elite ball user who scores excellently down back but has all the skills to play and score even better in midfield.
Also averaged 105 over the last 11 games last year, so really you could easily point to that as reason enough.
Basically there's a lot of for arguments and most can probably pick a few but once you're talking 50% of sides, the question starts to become whether he's actually worth challenging by not taking, say he gets to 105, then he's a bargain keeper and you're going to be hurting. If he hit 115, which I don't think is improbable, then you're in huge trouble.
There's definitely reasons to not pick him but is the risk worth it?
Definitely very high on the watch list in preseason for me.
Hey guys - haven't seen too much about Bailey Dale at all.
With the midfield changes at the dogs, and the news that Caleb Daniel could spend more time in the middle, I think if Dale begins to take more kickins in th pre-season he could make that jump to 110ish range?
For reference, kick in percentage 2022:
Dale - 55%
Daniel - 35%
Any issues with this thought process?
I guess the big question is - is he a safer bet than the likes of Young/Daicos for the extra $60k that he costs?
With the midfield changes at the dogs, and the news that Caleb Daniel could spend more time in the middle, I think if Dale begins to take more kickins in th pre-season he could make that jump to 110ish range?
For reference, kick in percentage 2022:
Dale - 55%
Daniel - 35%
Any issues with this thought process?
I guess the big question is - is he a safer bet than the likes of Young/Daicos for the extra $60k that he costs?
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