Position 2023: Midfield Discussion

[All is Wells]

Interesting article on the AFL app about Whitfield and his role confirmation. 473k and a given to get dpp in round 6 if what was said is true that he is returning to halfback. Might go back and get burned for the 5th time if he looks good in their JLT game.

 

[Locky27]

I'm strongly considering it...

 

[Manikato1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628157316657807360

Looking at those stats Tom Green has the most potential to improve in scoring terms. An increase in CBA would be a big assistance. Very interesting meters gained stat for him to.

 

[Shannon]

Looking at those stats Tom Green has the most potential to improve in scoring terms. An increase in CBA would be a big assistance. Very interesting meters gained stat for him to.

Agree 👍

That metres gained stat stood out big time…

 

[Under The Dome]

Interesting article on the AFL app about Whitfield and his role confirmation. 473k and a given to get dpp in round 6 if what was said is true that he is returning to halfback. Might go back and get burned for the 5th time if he looks good in their JLT game.

In 2022 he had 15 kick ins in round 1-5 and averaged 80.
The last 5 and 2 finals of 2021 he had 33 kick ins and averaged 100. Scores of 146 and 132 pushing that up.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Interesting article on the AFL app about Whitfield and his role confirmation. 473k and a given to get dpp in round 6 if what was said is true that he is returning to halfback. Might go back and get burned for the 5th time if he looks good in their JLT game.

Just watch the first 5 rounds and see what happens, will be pretty easy to step up to him in that price range.

 

[All is Wells]

Just watch the first 5 rounds and see what happens, will be pretty easy to step up to him in that price range.

Miss out on a soft early fixture and potentially paying $50k+ more. Wont skyrocket in price but you lose the early pod scores and discount on his price if he averages like i expect him to. If he was pickable as a defender he'd be close to a lock right now but as a mid and with low ownership its much riskier. Slim chance i pick him but will be watching closely and seeing how my current mid selections go.

 

[Socrates2]

Is Tom Greene a must have, a gamble or a reasonable pick?

 

[wogitalia]

Miss out on a soft early fixture and potentially paying $50k+ more. Wont skyrocket in price but you lose the early pod scores and discount on his price if he averages like i expect him to. If he was pickable as a defender he'd be close to a lock right now but as a mid and with low ownership its much riskier. Slim chance i pick him but will be watching closely and seeing how my current mid selections go.

You're picking him over a premium mid so it's unlikely he's going to be outscoring the alternatives until he gets the DPP, so would need to nail the distribution of the extra cash you've got.

His durability is terrible, he's been on a strong downward trend over 3 seasons and I can't help but see that Cumming correlates with that, who is a significantly better ball user. I just don't see why they'd want Whitfield to get back to his previous levels instead of Cumming, which means you have to expect Cumming to remain their main guy rebounding.

He's discounted from his best but he's keeper or bust, has to get the DPP change which is never guaranteed and has multiple strong reasons to not expect him to bounce back.

For mine, that's a checklist of "I'd rather pass up 50k discount for knowledge and confirmation".

 

[Feerits Elf]

Is Tom Greene a must have, a gamble or a reasonable pick?

Yes

 

[Shannon]

Is Tom Greene a must have, a gamble or a reasonable pick?

Depends on how you view him as a prospect this year.

I wouldn’t say he is a must have but he certainly has a few positives going for him this season in my opinion.

 

[wogitalia]

I'd say he's a gamble that's a reasonable pick.

Question is has he developed his tank to the point where he can play the minutes required and run out a season? If he has, I don't really see much that stops him pushing 115 range. If he hasn't I don't really see any way he pushes 115 range.

Hopefully the preseason will give us some answers.

 

[Rowsus]

Is Tom Greene a must have, a gamble or a reasonable pick?

Very few players, in any given season, fall into the category of "must have".
I've never seen a player that you could confidently say is a "must have" prior to Round 1, especially not one over $500k.

 

[randomcliche]

Very few players, in any given season, fall into the category of "must have".
I've never seen a player that you could confidently say is a "must have" prior to Round 1, especially not one over $500k.

GAJnr. Gawndy in hay day. But a random breakout player, nice to have, but there’ll be more than one of those, can’t pick them all.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Miss out on a soft early fixture and potentially paying $50k+ more. Wont skyrocket in price but you lose the early pod scores and discount on his price if he averages like i expect him to. If he was pickable as a defender he'd be close to a lock right now but as a mid and with low ownership its much riskier. Slim chance i pick him but will be watching closely and seeing how my current mid selections go.

I dont think its as simple as he plays half back he scores well tbh, hasn't been the same guy down there with Cumming in the side, Perryman pushing back to be a playnaker from the back half doesnt help him either.

 

[All is Wells]

You're picking him over a premium mid so it's unlikely he's going to be outscoring the alternatives until he gets the DPP, so would need to nail the distribution of the extra cash you've got.

His durability is terrible, he's been on a strong downward trend over 3 seasons and I can't help but see that Cumming correlates with that, who is a significantly better ball user. I just don't see why they'd want Whitfield to get back to his previous levels instead of Cumming, which means you have to expect Cumming to remain their main guy rebounding.

He's discounted from his best but he's keeper or bust, has to get the DPP change which is never guaranteed and has multiple strong reasons to not expect him to bounce back.

For mine, that's a checklist of "I'd rather pass up 50k discount for knowledge and confirmation".

Doesn't need to be outscoring premium mids of the world like Oliver and Laird to classify as a good pick, just needs to score well relative to his price and make sure the opportunity cost of using that position on him and not someone else isnt high. Priced at mid 80s for someone who has shown he can go 100+ in this role makes me confident he can do both the things i mentioned. The use of the extra cash is another issue that will need to be considered.

Durability is by far the biggest concern and i can see your point on that. Last year he was played all over the field like the article said and wasnt allowed to settle, now returning to the position he favours so im not giving alot of weight to what he averaged last season. Cumming is a great ball user but Whitfield can be just as good and was in his peak.

Definitely keeper or bust. Too high for a stepping stone but the only worry i have right now that he isnt in my rd 23 side as a defence keeper is that he gets injured and requires trading. Yes I'd have to be fully confident on dpp that he is lining up in D50 and not the wing but i think JLT will clarify that they want him in the back half.

I dont think its as simple as he plays half back he scores well tbh, hasn't been the same guy down there with Cumming in the side, Perryman pushing back to be a playnaker from the back half doesnt help him either.

Perryman doesnt concern me much, been touted to be an inside mid to fill the role that hopper and taranto left. Ash returning back there is more of a concern. I'll be looking to see how much they use each of whit, cumming and ash.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Doesn't need to be outscoring premium mids of the world like Oliver and Laird to classify as a good pick, just needs to score well relative to his price and make sure the opportunity cost of using that position on him and not someone else isnt high. Priced at mid 80s for someone who has shown he can go 100+ in this role makes me confident he can do both the things i mentioned. The use of the extra cash is another issue that will need to be considered.

Durability is by far the biggest concern and i can see your point on that. Last year he was played all over the field like the article said and wasnt allowed to settle, now returning to the position he favours so im not giving alot of weight to what he averaged last season. Cumming is a great ball user but Whitfield can be just as good and was in his peak.

Definitely keeper or bust. Too high for a stepping stone but the only worry i have right now that he isnt in my rd 23 side as a defence keeper is that he gets injured and requires trading. Yes I'd have to be fully confident on dpp that he is lining up in D50 and not the wing but i think JLT will clarify that they want him in the back half.




Perryman doesnt concern me much, been touted to be an inside mid to fill the role that hopper and taranto left. Ash returning back there is more of a concern. I'll be looking to see how much they use each of whit, cumming and ash.

Perryman pushes back into defence as a mid and sweeps as their outlet out of defence as hes such a good kick inside 50, look at his Round 22 and 23 games where he had their most CBAs but only 3 possessions per game actually in the centre square.

 

[James4]

Perryman pushes back into defence as a mid and sweeps as their outlet out of defence as hes such a good kick inside 50, look at his Round 22 and 23 games where he had their most CBAs but only 3 possessions per game actually in the centre square.

Perryman seems more like the 'get back and help when under pressure' guy, while Whitfield is more of a distributor when GWS have control of the ball (in that Half Back role) IMO. I don't have any evidence to back this up, just basing this on how I recall them playing.

I think it's best to assess Whitfield against the other $400 - $480k guys such as Cunnington, Cameron, Jackson, Lycett etc that we are considering as options. Whitfield probably has the most keeper potential if he gains DPP, but also probably has the most downside risk with his injuries and role question marks. Whereas the other guys that I've mentioned are probably all 'wait and see' stepping stones that you know you will want to trade at the byes or hold as a bench loop.

Hard to have a strong opinion at this point other than monitor during the pre-season matches IMO.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Perryman seems more like the 'get back and help when under pressure' guy, while Whitfield is more of a distributor when GWS have control of the ball (in that Half Back role) IMO. I don't have any evidence to back this up, just basing this on how I recall them playing.

I think it's best to assess Whitfield against the other $400 - $480k guys such as Cunnington, Cameron, Jackson, Lycett etc that we are considering as options. Whitfield probably has the most keeper potential if he gains DPP, but also probably has the most downside risk with his injuries and role question marks. Whereas the other guys that I've mentioned are probably all 'wait and see' stepping stones that you know you will want to trade at the byes or hold as a bench loop.

Hard to have a strong opinion at this point other than monitor during the pre-season matches IMO.

Whitfield feels just as unlikely to be a keeper as all of them to me, his 100+ years were all as the main guy out of defence with literally nobody taking it off him, thats just not the case anymore.

Thats before you even consider the fact that hes almost 29 and made of glass, just dont get that pick personally.

 

[James4]

Whitfield feels just as unlikely to be a keeper as all of them to me, his 100+ years were all as the main guy out of defence with literally nobody taking it off him, thats just not the case anymore.

Thats before you even consider the fact that hes almost 29 and made of glass, just dont get that pick personally.

That’s the exact decision that we all need to make if the role is there. Is the potential upside worth the potential downside? Sounds like your stance is that it isn’t. Everyone will just have a different risk tolerance on a pick like that based on their overall structure.