Analysis 2023 Preseason Games

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Fremantle - Great first 10 minutes and then the foot completely off the throat and just preseason motions being gone through. I'll be honest, I don't think they're as good on paper as they've played, which is a credit to Longmuir and the job he's done, so I actually don't think the talent gap between them and Adelaide is huge so there's a little part of me that thinks there's an element that they just got outplayed but the first 10 minutes were so good you question it. I probably have more questions than answers after their game about where they're at. They had a very clearly defined midfield group though which probably answered a couple of important questions I did have. Like Crows, very few guys missing to my eye and the ones missing all play very specific roles that don't really create uncertainty at least.

Missing - Walters, Ryan, Amiss, Chapman, NOD, Frederick, Colyer, Cox,

Sturt - Played as a small forward all 3 quarters, he did some nice things and is definitely an attractive price. This is where the "certain roles" guys helps though. He's out once Frederick and Walters are back, so unless they're both out for 8 weeks he's a no go for mine.

O'Meara - One of 4 midfielders for them, got heavy minutes, played alright. Same issues he's always had and I'm not sure I've ever seen someone get caught holding the ball and tackled as many times as he did in this game in a preseason game, was actually crazy, felt like every holding the ball in the game was against him! Was solid though overall, always looks fit, even when he isn't, but looks fit :LOL:

Serong - I thought he was their best midfielder, also in the core 4 and played well. Got a fair bit of easy ball which has been a weaker area for him and is probably a symptom of playing with Mr Easy Ball in Brayshaw. If anyone was considering him then I think they'd have liked this game. I'm not and I still thought he was intriguing because I do really rate him as a player.

Darcy - Might be the first ruckman to actually show any interest in being picked by me this preseason, definitely had him as the guy to come out and try in a preseason game and look good, totally guys, believe me! He monstered ROB, honestly I think Mitch Owens against Gawn yesterday looked more competitive than ROB vs Darcy. He did a couple of nice things around the ground, Mumforded Berry into a new planet at one point, took a couple of nice marks around the ground and, perhaps most importantly, dominated the ruck attendance numbers. I had him at 14 of 17 when I stopped counting for CBA and I'd say he was just as prevalent around the ground, he even took several I50 stoppages when Jackson was there with Jackson falling into a giant rover role, this is important because Darcy has been very Tom Hawkins like as a F50 ruckman where he loves to take it from the ruck and snap, I'd guess at least half his goals to date come from F50 stoppages. He looked thinner than he normally does this time of year and didn't have any extra tape that I could see outside his customary full leg taping he's always had. For the first time I'm giving a ruck a genuine tick this o***eason!

Schultz/Switkowski/Banfield - Mosquito fleet engage, stock standard here.

Clark - Playing HB, same as last year, expect similar scoring. He took a kick-in (Crows also kicked way too straight for any info here). Was solid.

Fyfe - Well I think I'm wrong here, didn't even sniff a midfield role, worse than that he didn't even sniff a HF role. Was basically playing leadup full forward role, still can't kick set shots so that's a pretty drastic combination to be heavily reliant on as his main scoring source. I still expect he gets a better role in the real stuff but that's definitely not with any certainty, he did the role pretty well and it's a clear weak area for them so it makes sense. A firm X next to his name for mine.

Brayshaw - Looked pretty much identical to last year. He's a really good player but I'm just not sure that his style of player overlaps into SC very well. He's going to have to brute force it with pure numbers and I'm not sure just how much more ball he can get. Still think tags will restrict him because of how he plays. Basically, as someone who has only really considered him for DT so far this preseason I didn't see anything that would change my perspective, if anything O'Meara pushes him even more outside in their midfield group. Another textbook example of those that were already picking him had no change to their opinion and those not picking him wouldn't be any closer type games/roles.

Jackson - He was alright, barely rucked as mentioned in Darcy and was primarily a KPF, he did show some good development in that area. He still does a few special things but he also completely drifted out of the game for long periods and is very much still flash in the pan moments. I'll continue to question his desire and workrate until I start to see an answer against the doubts and nothing really changed with this game. I think he could average mid 90s on his talent level alone and he could go higher, especially if Darcy was injured which is definitely plausible. I'd say he's the better of premium end DPP R/F guys for sure but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable he's going to be a top 6 forward picking him, he could though which is enough for some!

Aish - Pure wing role, same old.

Wilson - Playing defense, took a kick-in (statistically that's 50% when I stopped counting), didn't do much else. I expect he goes out for Ryan/Chapman.

Hughes - Played well early, faded. Played at HB. Like Wilson, he's a pretty obvious guy to go out for Ryan/Chapman/Cox.

Brodie - The 4th midfielder, they all had very even counts but he did start both halves on the bench suggesting he is the 4th right now, he probably scored the most fantasy points though of the 4 and he looked really solid doing it. Wouldn't be shocked if he pushed to 115 this year, he's almost certainly got the most natural SC game of the 4 and scores explosively. Didn't look any more/less fit than last year so that will almost certainly remain his issue, if he could not be the NicNat of mids he definitely could go huge.

Taberner - Awkward price point but he was really good in H1, especially Q1. Playing CHF and playing it well, Jackson and Fyfe there makes his job a lot easier and he really enjoyed being one out. Probably more of a draft league guy but could push towards 80 I think.

Hamling - Good to see him out there, played FB, was solid. Expect he goes out for Cox though.

Henry - Played wing. I suspect he could go out for NOD/Chapman/Frederick to squeeze in but this was the best I've seen him play, took it on a bit, worked hard into space and was actually used as an option often. I think there'll be better options as he's another who is probably not a high enough scorer or job security to justify the price but was good to see him play well.

Pearce - Same old from him.

Young - It felt like he had really low TOG to me, as one of the players I was legitimately watching for I barely noticed him all game. He didn't take a kick-in but it's terrible sample size so can't read much into that. It just felt like he was out there for a trot and that's about it. One of those if you were looking for a sign you definitely didn't get it but for those taking him I imagine it's almost a blessing game, he did nothing and scared a few away for sure, which when going for a unique player is a good thing. I have zero doubts what his role will be in the real stuff or that he'll improve as a player, too talented, my only doubt remains can he improve enough to reach the top end. This game offered me zero information. I wouldn't be concerned though either.

Walker - Playing HB, played pretty well and held Rankine well. I think he's in a genuine battle to hold his spot.

Treacy - Played forward, I think came on after Taberner was done, he did a few nice things. Impressive unit still but the football aspect is still a work in progress.
 

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Haha didn't have him but based on 1 match sim game each i am now swapping him in for Titch.... lets see what happens in in game 2. To be fair Green's ownership will probably jump up 10% based on that performance. Looking at last year i wonder why he dropped off so hard. Was it a young player getting tired or did his CBA's drop right off? If it is the later that makes him even more of a lock as he's a perma-mid now with hopper and taranto out. i know hopper didn't play much last year.
From Rnds 1-17 he averaged 84% TOG and 59% CBA's
Rnd 18 played 83% TOG, but only 27% CBA's
Rnd 19 dropped for poor form.
Rnds 20-23 73% TOG and 46% CBA's
Dropped form, lost game time, and lost CBA's.
 
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Fremantle - Great first 10 minutes and then the foot completely off the throat and just preseason motions being gone through. I'll be honest, I don't think they're as good on paper as they've played, which is a credit to Longmuir and the job he's done, so I actually don't think the talent gap between them and Adelaide is huge so there's a little part of me that thinks there's an element that they just got outplayed but the first 10 minutes were so good you question it. I probably have more questions than answers after their game about where they're at. They had a very clearly defined midfield group though which probably answered a couple of important questions I did have. Like Crows, very few guys missing to my eye and the ones missing all play very specific roles that don't really create uncertainty at least.

Missing - Walters, Ryan, Amiss, Chapman, NOD, Frederick, Colyer, Cox,

Sturt - Played as a small forward all 3 quarters, he did some nice things and is definitely an attractive price. This is where the "certain roles" guys helps though. He's out once Frederick and Walters are back, so unless they're both out for 8 weeks he's a no go for mine.

O'Meara - One of 4 midfielders for them, got heavy minutes, played alright. Same issues he's always had and I'm not sure I've ever seen someone get caught holding the ball and tackled as many times as he did in this game in a preseason game, was actually crazy, felt like every holding the ball in the game was against him! Was solid though overall, always looks fit, even when he isn't, but looks fit :LOL:

Serong - I thought he was their best midfielder, also in the core 4 and played well. Got a fair bit of easy ball which has been a weaker area for him and is probably a symptom of playing with Mr Easy Ball in Brayshaw. If anyone was considering him then I think they'd have liked this game. I'm not and I still thought he was intriguing because I do really rate him as a player.

Darcy - Might be the first ruckman to actually show any interest in being picked by me this preseason, definitely had him as the guy to come out and try in a preseason game and look good, totally guys, believe me! He monstered ROB, honestly I think Mitch Owens against Gawn yesterday looked more competitive than ROB vs Darcy. He did a couple of nice things around the ground, Mumforded Berry into a new planet at one point, took a couple of nice marks around the ground and, perhaps most importantly, dominated the ruck attendance numbers. I had him at 14 of 17 when I stopped counting for CBA and I'd say he was just as prevalent around the ground, he even took several I50 stoppages when Jackson was there with Jackson falling into a giant rover role, this is important because Darcy has been very Tom Hawkins like as a F50 ruckman where he loves to take it from the ruck and snap, I'd guess at least half his goals to date come from F50 stoppages. He looked thinner than he normally does this time of year and didn't have any extra tape that I could see outside his customary full leg taping he's always had. For the first time I'm giving a ruck a genuine tick this o***eason!

Schultz/Switkowski/Banfield - Mosquito fleet engage, stock standard here.

Clark - Playing HB, same as last year, expect similar scoring. He took a kick-in (Crows also kicked way too straight for any info here). Was solid.

Fyfe - Well I think I'm wrong here, didn't even sniff a midfield role, worse than that he didn't even sniff a HF role. Was basically playing leadup full forward role, still can't kick set shots so that's a pretty drastic combination to be heavily reliant on as his main scoring source. I still expect he gets a better role in the real stuff but that's definitely not with any certainty, he did the role pretty well and it's a clear weak area for them so it makes sense. A firm X next to his name for mine.

Brayshaw - Looked pretty much identical to last year. He's a really good player but I'm just not sure that his style of player overlaps into SC very well. He's going to have to brute force it with pure numbers and I'm not sure just how much more ball he can get. Still think tags will restrict him because of how he plays. Basically, as someone who has only really considered him for DT so far this preseason I didn't see anything that would change my perspective, if anything O'Meara pushes him even more outside in their midfield group. Another textbook example of those that were already picking him had no change to their opinion and those not picking him wouldn't be any closer type games/roles.

Jackson - He was alright, barely rucked as mentioned in Darcy and was primarily a KPF, he did show some good development in that area. He still does a few special things but he also completely drifted out of the game for long periods and is very much still flash in the pan moments. I'll continue to question his desire and workrate until I start to see an answer against the doubts and nothing really changed with this game. I think he could average mid 90s on his talent level alone and he could go higher, especially if Darcy was injured which is definitely plausible. I'd say he's the better of premium end DPP R/F guys for sure but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable he's going to be a top 6 forward picking him, he could though which is enough for some!

Aish - Pure wing role, same old.

Wilson - Playing defense, took a kick-in (statistically that's 50% when I stopped counting), didn't do much else. I expect he goes out for Ryan/Chapman.

Hughes - Played well early, faded. Played at HB. Like Wilson, he's a pretty obvious guy to go out for Ryan/Chapman/Cox.

Brodie - The 4th midfielder, they all had very even counts but he did start both halves on the bench suggesting he is the 4th right now, he probably scored the most fantasy points though of the 4 and he looked really solid doing it. Wouldn't be shocked if he pushed to 115 this year, he's almost certainly got the most natural SC game of the 4 and scores explosively. Didn't look any more/less fit than last year so that will almost certainly remain his issue, if he could not be the NicNat of mids he definitely could go huge.

Taberner - Awkward price point but he was really good in H1, especially Q1. Playing CHF and playing it well, Jackson and Fyfe there makes his job a lot easier and he really enjoyed being one out. Probably more of a draft league guy but could push towards 80 I think.

Hamling - Good to see him out there, played FB, was solid. Expect he goes out for Cox though.

Henry - Played wing. I suspect he could go out for NOD/Chapman/Frederick to squeeze in but this was the best I've seen him play, took it on a bit, worked hard into space and was actually used as an option often. I think there'll be better options as he's another who is probably not a high enough scorer or job security to justify the price but was good to see him play well.

Pearce - Same old from him.

Young - It felt like he had really low TOG to me, as one of the players I was legitimately watching for I barely noticed him all game. He didn't take a kick-in but it's terrible sample size so can't read much into that. It just felt like he was out there for a trot and that's about it. One of those if you were looking for a sign you definitely didn't get it but for those taking him I imagine it's almost a blessing game, he did nothing and scared a few away for sure, which when going for a unique player is a good thing. I have zero doubts what his role will be in the real stuff or that he'll improve as a player, too talented, my only doubt remains can he improve enough to reach the top end. This game offered me zero information. I wouldn't be concerned though either.

Walker - Playing HB, played pretty well and held Rankine well. I think he's in a genuine battle to hold his spot.

Treacy - Played forward, I think came on after Taberner was done, he did a few nice things. Impressive unit still but the football aspect is still a work in progress.
Great summary Wogi - totally agree

Thought Darcy was absolutely awesome also, he is my R1 on that performance- showed everything I was after 😎
 
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Great summary Wogi - totally agree

Thought Darcy was absolutely awesome also, he is my R1 on that performance- showed everything I was after 😎
They should leave the ruck split the way they did between Darcy/Jackson, but will they? I think their coach said it'll be a weekly proposition what they go with.
 
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General - Watched 3 quarters. This one was a struggle to watch to be honest, the video quality wasn't good but also the game was just a stinker, outside a 2 minute patch in the third where Lachie Jones went into skull bashing mode it was incredibly soft as a game and any time someone did lay a tackle the umpires jumped in to stomp it out. Basically was glorified circle work with both teams playing quick and aimless football and it just kind of pinged around doing nothing for the most part. Hopefully this game is not a sign of how football will look this year, not even really a case of two bad sides I don't think, just seemed to be two sides who don't want any physicality being happy to indulge each other. Pretty sure that when other sides punch them in the mouth they'll be forced to square up though.

Eagles - They hung in the game and were probably the better side overall, to be fair the outside finesse game probably suits them better than Port, especially without NicNat or Shuey. Hard to read a lot into this one, few key guys missing who could definitely change all the dynamics up a fair bit, some good signs for them though but be nice to see them in a contact game next week to get an idea. The outs are significant though.

Missing (at least while I watched) - Waterman, Ginbey, Hewett, Naitanui, Shuey, Hough, Darling, Jones, Foley and Bazzo.

Ryan/Cripps/SPS - All played small forward roles, pretty standard. Ryan the best fantasy role and most potential but I don't trust his body or effort level nearly enough to go near him in classic.

Gaff - Started in the main CBA group and was prominent throughout. Pushed out to a wing at other times. Wasn't good, wasn't bad, just very little impact. Interesting in a game style that really suited him, heck he's the embodiment of that running around a lot going nowhere style so would have expected he might stand out a bit more. Saw nothing to suggest he bounces back though.

Sheed - The Eagles answer to Worpel, just seemed bad things happened most times he touched it. Role was really good, football was really bad, another pretty well suited to the bruise free skirting style and he did rack it up a fair bit to my eye but if he'd had a positive ratio I'd say the CD guy should be drug tested. You'd hope that Ginbey and Shuey push him pretty much entirely out of the midfield group as an Eagles fan.

Hunt - I know some have their eye on him, he's probably cheap enough to at least consider. Role was pretty good, HB with a few bursts up on a wing but the issue I'd have is he was clearly the 5th preference for rebounding down back behind Hurn, Duggan, McGovern and Witherden when that group was out there which was most of the first half and I don't really see it changing, he just can't kick and he's pretty good defensively so it makes sense for him to end up locking down.

Yeo - Big tick. Looks fit, has the penetration in his kicking back, role was excellent and as advertised, CBA and half back mix, primarily midfield. Tackled very well, which stood out given he was one of about 3 players on either team trying to tackle. Has to stay fit for 3 weeks and he'll be in every side. Really only becomes relevant if he doesn't get back to premium scoring or he get's injured this year.

Kelly - Midfield mostly, bit of time forward. He actually looked much better when forward and showed some good creativity there. He's a bit like Sheed in that you'd probably prefer he's not in the main midfield group if you're an Eagles fan because his disposal tends to be awful through there, as a forward he actually looked better with the ball as well. Kind of guy you're wanting as the 5th midfielder playing a high HF role, imo, in a good side. Definitely could be relevant if he gets FWD status.

Allen - He was rock solid. Scoring will definitely be up and down, job security is literally just durability, he's clear best 22 and clearly their best forward target. Best thing about his game for mine was actually how high he pushed up the ground when the Eagles were in their defensive half to be the target. That's similar to how Curnow was able to put together a very solid season last year and is also a key factor in any KPF who scores decently. He's a hard pick because I'm not sure you're getting a guy you'll want to field every week at that price but I do feel pretty confident he'll knock out the 150k by the byes if he's fit. He's basically in the elite tier of rookies for cash generation likelihood but he's pretty mediocre for on-field viability. Some have a real aversion to paying for bench rookies but I think he's a strong loophole candidate, shame he'd be the closing half of the loop most times, and a strong cash cow option.

Duggan - Down back, looked good and found plenty of it. Hard to see the next level while Hurn still takes the kick-ins and majority of switches.

Chesser - Wing and genuine CBA work, role was really solid. He played fairly well. I didn't notice him much in Q3 but I'd admittedly half tuned out by that point so might have been there still. The real question is whether he's ready to play round 1 and if he can avoid the vest, he's going to score pretty well when he plays and he's clearly already at an AFL level, especially compared to several other names that played today. If he's there round 1, he's a clear pick for mine because he's genuinely best 22 and he should build nicely. Might a Jordon type rookie who is still hanging around at the byes having made a lot of money after a slow start, definitely will be a vest candidate early though so on field might be a big risk.

McGovern - Looked back to his best, actually genuinely fit. Probably sealed the spoil of the season up on the effort that broke Boak as well. Can't pick him with his injury history but will score well.

Petrucelle - Came on late in Q3 from what I could tell, didn't do anything as is his want in AFL football.

Witherden - Started down back, found plenty of it, hit a couple of great kicks, hit a couple of awful kicks, handballs remain problematic, didn't notice him being exposed defensively. Remains that guy that if he gets to play his game is as elite as they get as a fantasy scorer but his own game hurts the team.

Hurn - Took vast majority of kick-ins, looks great, really no reason to expect a big drop off other than there should be less supply.

Cole - Was among the Eagles best for mine. Tough spot because I think there's maybe 1 spot and about 6 guys going for it, I'd say he was the best of the ones playing today. Scoring would have been good. I think he's another awkward priced guy, I don't really think you're getting vastly improved job security or scoring potential over the cheaper guys playing similar roles, albeit I do think he's a tiny bit better in both areas than most of the other guys. Has to win the spot and then will have to hold it, which is never a great position for a premium priced rookie.

Williams/Jamieson - This was a nil all draw in the race to be NicNat's backup that no Eagles fan actually wants to see playing. I think Williams was better but Jamieson actually showed a few AFL traits this time around which is a good step. I know if I was the Eagles coach that I'd be demanding NicNat got fit so that I didn't have to play either of them though but I think after basically a decade of not demanding it by Simmo it might be a bit late to ask...

Rotham - Came on in Q3, another in the race for the Cole spot, good sign Cole started ahead and played well.

West/Clark - Played similar wing/HF type roles, neither did much to move the needle in either direction.

Barrass - Fell back into the lock down role with McGovern back fit. Will be a strong trade target when McGovern does his annual season ending injury and Barrass has tanked his price for however long that takes playing shutdown roles but until then...

Long - Played forward pushing as high as a wing, so pretty deep forward, and did very little. I think he had an early HTB against in Q1 as his only stat there and then a couple of touches in one passage in Q2. Joins the long list of small forwards that have a job to lose but a terrible fantasy role. I'd say he is behind several of the others in my book but who knows which ones actually make it come round 1. Ideally I don't think you're going to want him this year.

Culley - Role was solid early, good CBA numbers. I didn't notice him much after about halfway through the 2nd. Kicked a nice goal, tried to tackle at least and was solid. Didn't do anything to really suggest he's worth the premium over several other options but will watch again next week, he's at a viable price if he's going to score. Hard to argue that finding 50k for a Hopper type isn't the clearly better play though.
 
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Port - I'd hope that Hinkley was pretty heated at this outing. Looked like they'd come to Perth for a nice beach holiday. Kind of performance that you don't want from a team who dished up such a poor season last year, especially if you're the coach who happens to be on the hottest seat of them all right now. If he didn't bake them after this game then, honestly, he's the problem because they deserved it. Missing a couple of guys but kind of the opposite of Eagles where they're clear role guys that don't change too many things, Butters aside.

Missing - Sinn, Butters, Finlayson, Dixon, Bonner and Byrne-Jones.

Jonas/Aliir - Stock standard.

SPP - One of their few who could hold his head high, gave it a good solid crack and not surprisingly was rewarded with a couple of goals, looks ready for a big year. Role was same as LY, that roaming half forward role where he pushes about to a wing as the highest point, I don't think it's fantasy relevant but will score decently.

Burton - One of those I swear I saw a couple of times but didn't notice at all, normally pretty prolific and noticeable so guessing either really low TOG or I imagined seeing him. Would expect he's clear best 22 though.

Marshall - Was alright, not great. Was pretty easy for the Eagles to double team though so makes it hard.

Houston - Played defense all game, I think that's his better fantasy role anyway, I don't personally think he's worth the risks but he's a good player who could be a premium defender this year.

Farrell - Lined up at HB, was solid but not great. Looks pretty settled in that role though.

Duursma - He started on a wing, he just struggles to impact the contest every time I watch him. Definitely not commanding that position which, to mine, looks a very vulnerable spot in the 22 that someone could take.

Boak - Copped a huge knee from McGovern, believe he's been cleared on scans since but him not being there really messed up getting any kind of read on midfield roles.

McKenzie - Played defense, was alright. Didn't stand out or demand a spot but good result for him to be in the mix at the least. Really depends how tall they want to play for whether he can get in.

Fantasia - One of their better players for mine. Not a great role and his durability record is tragic but he's playing a highish small forward role, his job security is basically his durability, imo, and he does look really fit right now at least. Not entirely dissimilar to Allen, if he can stay fit for 10 weeks, I'm very confident he makes 150k. I'd say he's got better on-field prospects than the cheaper small forwards so far but I also wouldn't want to field him. So yeah, same spot as Allen, he'd be a great bench rookie if he was 120k, whether we need or want to pay the premium will probably be a tough question for all. Definitely one to watch next week with, hopefully, the majority of guys playing.

Bergman - Wing role again, definitely in the lead for that Amon spot, imo. He's been their best wing by some distance in both games I've watched. Given he can also play defense and has even been used forward at times, I think that gives him a very strong foundation. Shame he's such a filthy price and mid only.

Rioli - Was solid again, did some nifty things, got out the back for a couple of super cheap goals. He's most important in that he guarantees that Butters and Rozee aren't needed as small forwards as long as he's fit, especially with Fantasia also there.

Wines - He was really good, covered a lot of ground, one plenty of clearances. I can't do him with his kicking and interrupted preseason but definitely could score well.

Horne-Francis - His role was excellent. Butters was the only mid missing early and he had a prime role alongside Wines and Rozee. He did some really nice things with it also, kicking remains a thorn in his side. I'm starting to wonder if he's a Danger, who just can't kick, or a Martin, who just chooses really bad kicks too often, type of bad kick or if it's being so young still that he's just not making good decisions. Obviously one of them is fixable, one of them doesn't hold you back much because you still hit some great kicks at times and the other needs to be brute forced through. As a FWD if he's playing genuine midfield he could be premium level, the talents and SC aspects are all there. Still doesn't look quite right in body shape, might just be a weird shape but doesn't look how 99% of the guys who run out games well look in weight distribution which concerns me. Butters and then Boak definitely cloud his role also, I'd have Butters ahead of him as he's just classier but JHF does some things as well.

Georgiades - Stock standard role.

Rozee - Another having a "not moving the needle" game. Anyone on the wagon saw plenty, anyone off the wagon didn't see enough. Role was perfect, I had him and Wines leading the CBA when I stopped counting, he went forward for portions of his rest time and as always was dangerous forward. He didn't get as much of it as I'd have liked but at the same time, I feel very confident in having him as a POD on as many people as possible, so having two mediocre games to keep the masses away as much as possible sure doesn't irk me. I had him last year and I watched him closely so really this preseason all I actually care about is that his role remains what it was and so far both games have been strong ticks for that. So yeah, it was a clear tick for me but I'd expect those who aren't picking him probably had enough to confirm their position also.

Hayes - Came on in Q3, clearly at the bottom of the ruck pack.

Teakle - Clear #2 ruck role, was rotating off the bench from what I could tell (I never noticed him forward) which says to me that he's in a genuine battle with Lycett for one spot rather than them being likely to go with the two rucks, makes sense to me given Dixon and Finlayson can both ruck adequately and even SPP has been serviceable in small stints. Again he was solid around the ground and he beat the Eagles rucks. I think Lycett was better though.

Drew - Very peripheral role today, I only had two CBA for him, did get some wing time again but I think had low TOG in general as didn't notice him much at all. He's a limited player so makes sense he's pushed out by much more dynamic guys like Butters, Rozee and JHF, imo. Be interesting to see where he fits in, if he fits in.

Lycett - I thought he was good, was one of the very few who tackled and actually went hard. Didn't dominate the Eagles rucks like you'd like to see given the experience/ability difference but he was solid in this area. If last week was a fairly even contest, this week I think he was a fair bit better than Teakle and definitely firmed as the #1, as mentioned on Teakle, the fact they both seemed to play off the bench is probably a good indicator that, at least for now, Port are going 1 ruck only.

Jones - His role was nowhere near as good this week but interestingly he probably played better. Might just be a symptom that being one of a few trying and throwing weight around really makes you stand out but he definitely did stand out and won plenty of contests. I had only one CBA on my count while he led it last week. Seemed to be HF/Wing to me but was definitely a roaming extra midfielder type role. I like him but not sure where he fits in, similar in a way to Drew where the guys ahead of him are both more dynamic but unfortunately also not much older. I don't actually know what his best role is still and clearly neither does Ken.

Burgoyne - He was a bit quieter today, definitely on the fringe of the 22 at best and I think too expensive but he's a good player and I could see them persisting. In that awkward spot where he'd be one of the first dropped if they do lose a couple even if he's there round one, at his price you need much better JS, imo.

Visentini - He played as a KPF and took F50 ruck contests, for mine he was clearly there to structurally represent Dixon rather than anything more than that. To me they clearly wanted the ruck battle off the bench and their structures otherwise as they will play. He did a couple of nice things but not much and nothing to demand a spot round one. I'd also expect that both Teakle and Lycett would play Dixon's role in the event he's not there anyway, fwiw.

McEntee - The leftover up forward, he's clearly the 3rd best of the smalls and the very obvious out in the side that played. Not fantasy relevant even if he did make the side.
 
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If he does it next week, I'll be paying attention!

No Cogs/Kelly, against a B team GWS.

Still, 50 is a big number :oops:
I agree dont get carried away with preseason games even if he gets 35 touches it can be inflated due to other mids out weak opposition etc. But 50 touches is just insane and the fact that he is capable of getting 50 even in favourable circumstances probably still puts him in the 1% of players in the comp that are actually capable of doing it in the same circumstances. I think there's unjustified preseason hype and then there's performance that can't be ignored and 50 touches is one of them. The other one in recent memory was 2020 preseason when Petracca pumped out a 200! He then went on to average 117 after averaging 81 the season before.
 
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Adelaide vs Fremantle

General - Watched 3 quarters. Interesting game, Freo started really hard at it and kind of blew the Crows off the park and then didn't really get cracking from that point on and the Crows slowly worked their way to the front. Both playing relatively strong sides and a good hitout overall. One interesting aspect was the CBA variance, the Crows looked like a team who's not really sure who should be in there while the Dockers looked certain, it definitely showed at times.

Crows - Were just a lot harder for longer which probably is a consequence of more competition for spots, especially through the midfield, but also that most of their midfielders are pure grunts and those types tend to tackle whether it's preseason training, a practice match or a grand final! Missing a couple of guys but not many. Real positive of the televised intra-club game last week is this game serves some confirmation purposes.

Missing - Walker, Jones, McHenry and a few even more fringe guys we probably got an answer on what way they're leaning on.

Keays - Played predominantly half forward again, same as last week. I had his CBA count at 2 through 3 quarters. He played as a high HF and pushed up but he's only relevant once he gets FWD this year and even then I'm not sure.

Berry - Started as a pure mid, played whole game there. He finished last year in this role and it's taken all the value out really, if he had managed to hold onto FWD I'd take him this year, reckon he pushes towards a high 90s type average as he finds the ball well and tackles exceptionally.

Crouch - More nuisance than anything, took a few CBA, had him at 5, playing pretty much exclusively from the bench as far as I could tell. Generally if you're in the 2nd group of mids and not playing another position it's a bad sign for your best 22 place. The only saving grace is Laird does go to the bench a lot for a top line mid so there is that one spot to fill.

Thilthorpe - Was interesting that they chose to ruck Himmelberg over him as the backup given that's his logical role in the best 22, probably suggests those two are in a pretty tight battle for that final spot because Walker and Fog are going to be the main two. He's definitely filled out a bit but still very little impact.

Rachele - He started on ball but I didn't see him back much at all after their early blitz, was basically at 4 in the first 10 minutes and I had at 5 for the game. Not trying to read too much into it but seemed he copped the blame for it and the experiment ended. I'd expect he still gets mid minutes in the real stuff but if the role can fade that quickly it's not a great sign.

Sloane/Hinge - Manned the two wings, barely noticed anyone else out there either, they look pretty set for those two spots.

Pedlar - Started forward, did a couple of decent things, I didn't notice him much at all though, not even sure he was playing by Q3. At his price I think he'd need a lot more job security in that role or a much better role with that job security. There are 3 or 4 guys playing the same role, mostly in better sides, that are in the 120k region.

Dawson - He must have had close to 60 DT points in Q2 alone, uncharacteristically he butchered it that quarter so would have had about half that in SC but if he's finding as much ball as he did this game he's going to score huge. Dockers kicked way too straight but I had him taking half the kick-ins from an insignificant data set. He looks primed for a big year, as someone who was pretty locked into a lot of rookie defenders and not sure of the premium options I have to say that the rookies have thoroughly underwhelmed me so far and all of Stewart, Dawson and Docherty have me doubting that position strongly. I don't expect the Crows to be good but they're combative and the ball going forward will be at messy for opposition sides so Dawson could score enormous this year. I thought it was a firm tick for his starting case.

Soligo - Similar role to Keays, high HF pushing into the midfield. Also got some midfield rotations, his CBA numbers are inflated by Q3 where he went into the main group compared to the first half but he was alright.

Hamill - Playing HB, did nothing wrong, did nothing to demand a spot.

Rankine - Pretty pure anchored HF role today, very different to his intra-club role and much more like his GCS role. I had him at 2 CB and rarely sighted him higher than half way. Not a good fantasy role and given his durability, total lack of scoring history and overwhelming inconsistency it was enough for me to cross him off as a starting option. Those who rate him a lot higher might not be as quick as I am to cross him off. What he did was good but not enough of it for mine.

McAdam - Forward again, was solid. Seems to be the selection as the hybrid 4th marking target guy for them so far.

Worrell - I swear I saw him Q1 but it was only once and I didn't see him again so I might be imaging things, either way he obviously did nothing to stand out as a best case and wasn't even in the side as the worst case :LOL:

Schoenberg - He was their 3rd mid, albeit a wide open spread around him down to about 8th, not sure what happened over last o***eason but he has gone solidly backwards as a player since then. I should note that Rachele started as the third mid but as mentioned he fell out of it really fast. Schoen has basically just become a really poor man's Berry for them, has just failed to find anything he really does at an above average level unfortunately. Like Crouch, he also seemed to be playing from the bench which isn't a great sign. End of the day I'd think one of Crouch or Schoey can play but I don't see how you can play both and if I was the Crows I'd be trying the Rachele/Soligo/Rankine group for a solid 10 weeks to start the season and see if one can stick as all do more than those two.

Murray - I definitely saw him but it wasn't much more than I saw Worrell. He seemed to come on in Q2 as never noticed him in Q1. He also did very little.

Laird - Ticked the boxes. He must have had 5 tackles in Q1, won plenty of clearances, was clean, especially going I50 and just a solid game. I don't think he'd have changed any minds with this game, basically those already on the wagon got what they needed to confirm it, those not on the wagon didn't get a commanding "pick me or die" performance. I'm personally very happy to be on the wagon.

Milera - Same feeling as last week for mine, if he was 250k I'd be picking him and I think he can still do well from his price but there's got to be better options around it for mine. What he did was good but Dawson is the clear #1 and Smith will be the clear #2 in my eyes, so there's just not enough ball in the role for what he needs to score. I don't think he's a terrible pick by any means but I'd be very surprised if he's in the best 4 in that 300-360k range and I don't see how many can take more than that. Certain to get DPP if he plays 5 games though, role seems pretty locked in.

Fogarty - He was brilliant, probably their best for mine. Looks really locked in, he's giving me hope for Braeden Campbell being able to recover from looking like a shellshocked mess to become a really good AFL player as one of the few who looks like doing it. He broke out end of last year but he's gone from strength to strength over the o***eason and another commanding performance. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's their top forward by season's end and I'm not expecting it's because Tex falls off. I doubt he's fantasy relevant still, 100k cheaper and I dare say he would be.

Smith - Same old.

Himmelberg - Was the 2nd ruck, that surprised me with TT in the side. Not relevant.

Parnell - I thought he played really well but I rate him and it's probably confirmation bias at play. Thought he soundly outplayed Hamill and even Milera and Smith today. Was very sound defensively and he just looks composed with ball. I've highlighted him because he's cheap enough as a defender to be considered, I don't think he is likely to push high enough but he might. He's basically got the tools to be good. The problem is obviously Dawson, Milera and Smith are going to eat a lot of ball.

Doedee - Same old, no signs of a huge season or role usurping from the captain.

Butts - Got a bath from Taberner in Q1, was really solid from that point on. Not showing any of the rebound of last week, almost like he got told to shelve that!

ROB - I'd be interested to see the stats but it felt like he got annihilated out there. The half dozen or so times he actually got clean hitouts all seemed to go to Dockers players and the rest of the time he was just getting beaten up. Darcy is a quality ruck but ROB needs to show a lot more for mine in that area as it's the spot in the game where he leaks points to genuine premiums and he doesn't do enough other things to make up for it. Basically his next 10 points come from ruck work and to watch him get destroyed doesn't help make a case for picking him.
Worrell with a hamstring injury in Q1.
 

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Tom Green putting his hand up!

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/1275829/green-leads-the-way-in-front-of-home-town-crowd

The Nation’s Capital turned up the heat on Saturday morning with hot conditions for GIANTS fans who turned out for the intra-club match and fan day at Alan Ray Oval.



The GIANTS spent three days in Canberra for the club’s Community Camp, with players visiting more than 26 schools and nine junior clubs, as well as seminars for local coaches.

The Community Camp was capped off with an intra-club practice match which saw a Charcoal 'A' team played against an Orange 'B' team featuring VFL-listed top-up players.

The match was played over four 30-minute quarters with the Charcoal team featuring young midfield stars Tom Green and Finn Callaghan as well as new backline duo Lachie Whitfield and Lachie Ash.

New GIANTS head coach Adam Kingsley said he was really pleased with the hit-out.

“The players got through the game pretty well. There was a little bit of cramping towards the end which was to be expected when it’s their first full hit-out for the summer, but they did a really good job” Kingsley said.

“We wanted to play a few certain people together as we’ve changed a few positions around this summer. Being able to play them together is important to get that synergy in the same lines so we did that for the bulk of the game, and then mixed it around a little bit towards the end.”

Off the back of a new four-year deal, which was announced in Canberra yesterday, Tom Green played a starring role in front of his home-town crowd chalking up 50 disposals for the match.

Callaghan was also strong early in the middle of the ground, starting in the centre square alongside Green and Harry Perryman, with Braydon Preuss in the ruck for the Charcoal team. Stephen Coniglio and Josh Kelly were sidelined with minor knocks picks up at training this week but are expected to return for next week’s pre-season game against the Gold Coast Suns at Blacktown.

“I thought all of the mids did a really good job in there, we got some good use out of the middle, they competed hard, and they were able to minimise the damage when they lost the clearance, so I thought they did a really good job as a group,” Kingsley said.

Harry Himmelberg led the scoring with five goals while Jake Riccardi kicked four, and Daniel Lloyd and James Peatling had three each for the Charcoal team.

Toby Greene (calf) and Jesse Hogan (wisdom teeth removal) were both on the sidelines today but will also return against the Suns practice next week.

“It was interesting, we have a couple of key forwards out so it’s going to be an interesting discussion during the week when we get those players back for the Gold Coast game around who it is, who we pick, and what those combinations look like,” Kingsley said.

“Structurally we were really strong up front, I thought what we’ve been training over the summer was reflected really well out there today which is pleasing.

“There’s still obviously work to do but the ability to win the ball in the front half and then hit the scoreboard was good.”

Having settled into their new positions, Whitfield and Ash were dominant off half-back, with Whitfield picking up 34 disposals across the day.

Also impressing the coach was Connor Idun, who returned strongly after missing the back end of last season with a foot injury.

“Idun had another good game for us. He was able to patrol across half back, intercept possessions, and then get our ball movement going, so yeah he was really strong today,” Kingsley said.

“Their [Whitfield and Ash] run and carry was really noticeable from behind the footy, and their ball use is very strong, so hopefully we can see that improve and they’ll become a real weapon for us.”

Also amongst the possessions was Callan Ward, who picked up 29 touches while playing a new role as a forward, while Perryman had 27, Nick Haynes was back to his best in the backline with 27 also while young draftee Harry Rowston had 26 playing through the middle.

Kingsley praised the GIANTS fans and members who turned out for the occasion – and his first trip to Canberra.

“It's been great down here, the turn out to all of our events has been really strong. All of our players that were involved in the community camps down here were visiting schools and junior clubs and doing the rounds yesterday and the day before, so they’ve been able to see a lot of the community which was terrific,” he said.

“We’ve seen a lot of orange out at all of the visits too which is what you always like to see – we can’t wait to get back down here for some big games this season.”

The GIANTS will take on the Gold Coast Suns in their only official practice match of the pre-season at Blacktown next Saturday. More details available, here.

Goal Kickers:

Himmelberg (5), Riccardi (4), Lloyd (3), Peatling (3), Callaghan (2) Flynn, Wehr, Green, Briggs, Kennedy, Derksen, Hebron (VFL), Pratt (VFL
 
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Tom Green putting his hand up!

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/1275829/green-leads-the-way-in-front-of-home-town-crowd

The Nation’s Capital turned up the heat on Saturday morning with hot conditions for GIANTS fans who turned out for the intra-club match and fan day at Alan Ray Oval.



The GIANTS spent three days in Canberra for the club’s Community Camp, with players visiting more than 26 schools and nine junior clubs, as well as seminars for local coaches.

The Community Camp was capped off with an intra-club practice match which saw a Charcoal 'A' team played against an Orange 'B' team featuring VFL-listed top-up players.

The match was played over four 30-minute quarters with the Charcoal team featuring young midfield stars Tom Green and Finn Callaghan as well as new backline duo Lachie Whitfield and Lachie Ash.

New GIANTS head coach Adam Kingsley said he was really pleased with the hit-out.

“The players got through the game pretty well. There was a little bit of cramping towards the end which was to be expected when it’s their first full hit-out for the summer, but they did a really good job” Kingsley said.

“We wanted to play a few certain people together as we’ve changed a few positions around this summer. Being able to play them together is important to get that synergy in the same lines so we did that for the bulk of the game, and then mixed it around a little bit towards the end.”

Off the back of a new four-year deal, which was announced in Canberra yesterday, Tom Green played a starring role in front of his home-town crowd chalking up 50 disposals for the match.

Callaghan was also strong early in the middle of the ground, starting in the centre square alongside Green and Harry Perryman, with Braydon Preuss in the ruck for the Charcoal team. Stephen Coniglio and Josh Kelly were sidelined with minor knocks picks up at training this week but are expected to return for next week’s pre-season game against the Gold Coast Suns at Blacktown.

“I thought all of the mids did a really good job in there, we got some good use out of the middle, they competed hard, and they were able to minimise the damage when they lost the clearance, so I thought they did a really good job as a group,” Kingsley said.

Harry Himmelberg led the scoring with five goals while Jake Riccardi kicked four, and Daniel Lloyd and James Peatling had three each for the Charcoal team.

Toby Greene (calf) and Jesse Hogan (wisdom teeth removal) were both on the sidelines today but will also return against the Suns practice next week.

“It was interesting, we have a couple of key forwards out so it’s going to be an interesting discussion during the week when we get those players back for the Gold Coast game around who it is, who we pick, and what those combinations look like,” Kingsley said.

“Structurally we were really strong up front, I thought what we’ve been training over the summer was reflected really well out there today which is pleasing.

“There’s still obviously work to do but the ability to win the ball in the front half and then hit the scoreboard was good.”

Having settled into their new positions, Whitfield and Ash were dominant off half-back, with Whitfield picking up 34 disposals across the day.

Also impressing the coach was Connor Idun, who returned strongly after missing the back end of last season with a foot injury.

“Idun had another good game for us. He was able to patrol across half back, intercept possessions, and then get our ball movement going, so yeah he was really strong today,” Kingsley said.

“Their [Whitfield and Ash] run and carry was really noticeable from behind the footy, and their ball use is very strong, so hopefully we can see that improve and they’ll become a real weapon for us.”

Also amongst the possessions was Callan Ward, who picked up 29 touches while playing a new role as a forward, while Perryman had 27, Nick Haynes was back to his best in the backline with 27 also while young draftee Harry Rowston had 26 playing through the middle.

Kingsley praised the GIANTS fans and members who turned out for the occasion – and his first trip to Canberra.

“It's been great down here, the turn out to all of our events has been really strong. All of our players that were involved in the community camps down here were visiting schools and junior clubs and doing the rounds yesterday and the day before, so they’ve been able to see a lot of the community which was terrific,” he said.

“We’ve seen a lot of orange out at all of the visits too which is what you always like to see – we can’t wait to get back down here for some big games this season.”

The GIANTS will take on the Gold Coast Suns in their only official practice match of the pre-season at Blacktown next Saturday. More details available, here.

Goal Kickers:

Himmelberg (5), Riccardi (4), Lloyd (3), Peatling (3), Callaghan (2) Flynn, Wehr, Green, Briggs, Kennedy, Derksen, Hebron (VFL), Pratt (VFL
They might as well just relocate to Canberra, they probably got more there to this game than they do to their home games in the H/A season.
 
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North vs Richmond

General - Watched 3 quarters. Another game that was pretty tough to watch. Some awkward camera angles and then the fact it's Richmond, who play an unattractive brand at the best of times, into North Melbourne, into wind which these preseason games have shown the modern players have absolutely no idea how to play through into umpires keen to be noticed just not a very fun game to watch. Is a pretty fantasy relevant one though. Outside some gimmicks, was basically just 3 quarters of both sides playing relatively strong sides.

Richmond - They were on top, would have to be happy with the hitout, both the boom recruits showed a bit, and things just in general went well. I'm not sure anyone missing is hugely relevant to their structure.

Missing - Baker, Lynch, Soldo, Gibcus, Bolton, Graham, Broad, Cumberland and Pickett.

Vlastuin - Was really solid, plenty of ball and intercept work. If his durability was better I reckon he'd be a real shout for premium pick this year now Short looks basically done as a defender. Was prolific. I can't do it but wouldn't blame anyone who did.

Grimes - Same old.

Prestia - Was huge, just about best on for them. Might be the sneaky benefactor of two more guys to help out. Can't take on his durability either but expect a big year if he is fit.

Martin - Looked good, played permanent forward, forward half anchored for the most part. Did his thing.

Ross/McIntosh - Were the wingers for the most part, both did what you'd expect from Tigers wings, kept the width religiously, basically just made sure it moved forward quickly when involved.

Tarrant/Miller - Seemed to me that Tarrant came on in Q3 only, Miller was decent, seemed to go forward at some point as well as ruck.

Riewoldt/Cotchin - Both forward, neither relevant.

M. Rioli - Small forward, did some nice things, not relevant.

Ralphsmith - Was the extra rebounding defender, was solid but would be fringe at best.

Taranto - If Prestia wasn't their best he's the reason. Was very good, even kicked decently for the most part. Role much better than at GWS with pure midfield and being able to push forward against midfielders and use his advantages instead of playing as a genuine forward and getting defenders. Looks fit and firing at this point. Would be very hard to fade him after this game. Basically the type of game that had anyone already picking him throwing away the keys and anyone not picking having serious doubts.

Short - Played as the 4th midfielder and seemed to be a pretty pure midfield role. Fantasy wise it limits him and I think it does a bit in the real stuff but he gives them something through the middle no one else does while being pretty adequately replaced by Rioli and Vlastuin down back. Looks like the DPP dream may not exist.

Rioli - Sneaky option. Took just about every kick-in that I could see him on field for and just looked very involved. 2nd year in the role could have a real jump this year. He averaged 94 after Short went midfield but averaged 102 over the last 8 and really grew into the role. Not hard to see a couple more touches to push towards the 110 barrier that he'd need to target. It would be a gutsy pick but I haven't seen him in a single side and I think he's a genuine option this year.

Balta - Defense as expected, solid.

Hopper - Really weird game from him, he genuinely did none of the things you'd expect. Didn't really throw his body at it often, wasn't overly contested, kicked to players wearing the same jumper as him, just confusing in all areas! He looks really fit, he almost doesn't look like a big bodied midfielder, that could actually be a negative given it's his bread and butter but moved well, covered the ground and looks healthy is the key. I don't think he's a must have by any means and definitely think he's pretty overhyped overall but he definitely didn't do anything wrong in this hitout and using the ball well would be a massive game changer for him. I don't know if he hit 3 I50 kicks lace out in his entire GWS career and he had 3 today that I saw so that's a huge step, Hardwick's a wizard but that's some dark sorcery business that should be illegal if he's gone and found a solution to that! The kicking is so important because he's really a 95-100 ceiling guy on past form. If he can even be just bad at kicking instead of all time terrible he can push to 105 and the jump from 105 to 110 would be borderline keeper which is just a couple of good games away really where things go great for him. If he can suggest keeper is in the equation, he becomes a very different selection option. Right now he's just a rookie pick where you're paying a big premium for job security and on field scoring security whilst sacrificing elite cash generation ability. If you can bring keeper into the equation then elite cash generation gets beaten out anyway. Will watch again next week and hopefully we have stats. The role was perfect though, he looked fit and he did everything you could ask.

Nankervis - In a bad ruck market, he was very good. Did what he always does in the ruck, won a few decisively but was beaten to the ball quite often, threw his weight around well at stoppages and was very good placing himself behind the ball for intercept work which is when he pushes to a 110 type ruck. He definitely benefitted from no Soldo, who really is an anchor to him in fantasy. I'd only consider if Soldo was out of the equation and I was desperate but he's got some upside in that event.

Brown - Started at HF, I assume he's first out for Bolton but he did a few nice things and is worth watching. Defender rookie playing a better role than most rookies if he did hold on. I don't expect to see him and I don't think he did enough but will watch for him.

Mansell - Started forward, the other name that obviously could go out for Bolton very quickly. There's also Baker, so realistically both probably go out.

Ryan - Did some nice things, hard to think he was doing any more than holding Lynch's place but showed some promising development signs and should probably improve on his career average if he does play this year. I thought he showed a bit for Tigers' fans long term.

Clarke - Did a bit, was playing higher up the field for the most part. Not sure he demanded a spot.

Young - He started in defense, didn't do much and I doubt he's best 22, I doubt he'd be worth picking based on his style even if he is, even at 102k.
 
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North - They'd probably also be pretty pleased. They didn't get thrashed despite picking half a side, a few of their young guys were good, a few of their important players were good. I didn't notice anything really firm that looked different about them to last year, most guys playing similar positions and ultimately they just need more talent and development before they'll compete. Still expecting a long year but there were some glimmers. Missing guys really ruin evaluation though.

Missing - Corr, Taylor, Wardlaw, Cunnington, Tucker, Simpkin, Howe, Greenwood, Goldstein, Thomas and Hall. You can make a case that all 11 are best 22 (I wouldn't but you could).

Stephenson - Started on the pine, played HF when on. Standard low fantasy relevance role he's spent most of his career at.

Sheezel - Started like a house on fire with 2? goals in Q1, didn't do much else. Definitely some Rachele vibes to him. Premium priced rookie who should get force fed games, playing a poor role in a bad side. Based on today he's going to need to kick a bag to make cash and while Rachele got lucky and did that last year to churn I wouldn't guarantee it. He's got tricks and will find sneaky ways to score but I find it hard to say he's better value than say Allen or Fantasia at the same price group or Humphry/Phillipou at slightly lower brackets. Also think he'd struggle to outcash most of the 120k guys just on price difference, his role's a bit better and his job security is better but mentioned it a few times on Allen and Fantasia write-ups that it's really hard to pay such a premium for a guy who you really don't want on field barring a shock. Not to take away from him as a player and I think he's still an option but it's a steep premium price for job security basically.

Ziebell - Role was excellent again, took majority of kick-ins that I saw, zoning off the ball was the loose man more often than not. His ball use was, let's say, questionable but he got a fair bit of it and he played the SC game by banging long to bad contests instead of short clangers for the most part. So hard to read things without Corr, Thomas and Hall though as all could turn him into a pumpkin very quickly. Still, I think he ticked more boxes than any other player in his price range. He's got proven premium scoring history, is a FWD where the threshold is generally lower, isn't coming back from bad injuries and the team should ensure a very decent amount of supply. I'm still not sold I want to start him yet though but that's more structural for me right now.

Scott - Pure wing, same as last year.

Davies-Uniacke - Hrmmm. He was excellent, odd for a player with such inconsistent effort levels even within games to pick a meaningless scratch match to have just about his best 3 quarter effort that I've seen. Glass half full says that's an indicator he's finally built an AFL level tank and could do anything. Glass half empty just says he decided he'd try today and nothing has changed. I want to believe it's the first because I really do rate him as a player when he's trying. Anyone who has been considering him got a huge tick, anyone who wasn't definitely moved him onto their considering list. Averaged 110 over his last 14, 114 over his last 10 last year, is this a strong continuation to confirm a narrative? My spidey-sense says it probably is. For mine, a big tick. Now want him to back it up with Cunnington and Simpkin playing as both of them get in the way of what he does and I still have no idea how they're structuring their midfield.

McDonald - Primarily on Martin in a defensive role, did some nice things but nothing to suggest a big ball winning role right now.

Shiels - Played wing, I believe, didn't notice at the CB. Didn't really seem like he's going to be a negative on the relevant guys, if he's best 22.

Bonar - Played defense, was decent. Would think he's probably best 22 or in a battle with Corr for a spot rather than the more fantasy relevant guys. That said, if he can be best 22 he has shown flashes of scoring potential. Another I struggle to see the justification at 200k but worth watching.

Logue - Solid in defense, no relevance for mine.

Larkey - FF, rolled an ankle or similar early, played on but was low impact.

Coleman-Jones - 2nd ruck, forward. Was alright but did nothing to demand a spot, I expect it should be Goldy and Xerri to start the season. He's still a vastly inferior ruckman to Goldy and a worse forward for mine but probably depends how much focus goes to winning over development.

Powell - I'd read some decent reports here but I didn't really see it. I saw very few CBA and a still too peripheral role. He basically scored as a midfielder and I expect he scrapes onto a wing as a best case this year looking at their list. I can't consider him at his price personally over so many others.

Curtis - Another solid game, too expensive to be relevant though.

Bergman - Another who is very relevant if picked. Seemed to start at HB and did a few nice things. I expect he's not quite best 22 but will watch. Job security definitely a concern if he does make the team.

Turner - HF again, played decently.

Phillips - Was solid, handballs almost too much, definitely a better SC than DT option. Role was solid but honestly meaningless without Simpkin and Cunnington. Assuming they slot in on merit, he's the clear 5th midfielder based on this game and that's not a great spot to be in as a non-forward. His best case basically is that Cunnington or Zurhaar don't end up getting big midfield minutes. Realistically I'd think he's going to be the backup to LDU and Simpkin, probably rotating from the bench and they're both 80%+ TOG pure midfielders, so you've got like 40% TOG in a real role. The positive is I didn't think Zurhaar was overly effective and Phillips is so much cleaner around stoppages but that's a long shot reasoning. Basically I like his chances of playing but the on-field aspect definitely looks weaker than I thought which is annoying. He's cheap enough to bench though at least.

Comben - I thought he was solid against good opposition. Kicked one in the first, had a couple more shots. Absolutely not a fieldable rookie but good chance to make 150k especially with North having a very reasonable first 10 games. Ultimately there's probably better options as he'll be a couple of bad games from being under pressure from CCJ but I've seen much worse rookie options and I do like him as a player. He does enough things at ground level to not be a pure KPF rookie. Doesn't hurt he's been in the system for years so is more physically ready.

Goater - Another that I read good things on in this thread but came away pretty underwhelmed. Admittedly it was hard to tell some of the guys apart with the camera but even if all the times I wasn't sure were Goater it's still not a lot of ball. He did some good things and I do like his dash, also was good how often he chases the one-two. He's definitely a chance come round one, it's definitely a good role if he gets it but JS is going to be iffy so will be all or nothing, which isn't ideal at his price. Be great to see him lining up with Corr and Hall also picked next week or some other form of confirmation he's ahead of them. One that will definitely be worth a punt if he plays but that's a chunky if.

Xerri - Was really decent. Still can't pick him given Goldy will sabotage but he's a quality looking ruck long term.

Perez - Started on field in defense, again a slight sign he's ahead of Bergman and Goater who are more relevant. He did nothing wrong but he also didn't close any doors and more left it wide open.
 
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Annoying 10k...

Ford - I thought he was the best of the rookie priced guys in this game, if I know one thing about Clarko it's that guys who tackle everything up forward will get a ton of chances under him. Ford tackled everything, to the point I think he had two FA for tackling too hard (still the worst rule in the history of the sport), I dare say Clarko reacts the same way I do whenever a player gets one of those with a "That's BS, I loved that". He was really shifty and did a lot of good things. Was small forward but did push up to wings, so roaming a bit, Turner seems to have the worst of the small forward roles to me but his positioning was really good, he's got multiple athletic tall forwards who struggle to mark the ball, which means more spillage for him and, again, he tackles really well. Do I want him on field? God No. Do I think he can make 150k and has somewhat arguable job security? Yep. Hardest part is squeezing in all the guys missing though and he's definitely a chance to go out. Same story with basically every single cheap rookie this year. Not a great role, not great JS. Can definitely see there being a lot of trades used for bench rookie corrections at round 3 this year, it looks like we actually will have a fair few to select from but getting them right is going to be a serious task!

Zurhaar - Played a strong midfield role, I didn't actually notice him forward much at all, CBA count was high but was also midfield around the ground. I like his attributes but it's one of those weird situations where he actually isn't offering any of the things they need in that area. LDU and Cunnington are already total bulls, LDU has speed to burn as well and is a genuine burst stoppage player with the shiftiness to go inside out. Phillips is cleaner by hand at stoppages. All of them tackle well. What they really need is someone who can receive outside and hit targets reliably as Cunnington, not a renowned kicker, is probably the best kick of the group and Zurhaar really doesn't do that either. It's definitely an interesting one, it has that "failed experiment by round 5" vibe to it. On a positive, he looks in so much better shape this year and his movement is noticeably improved and he is just learning the position. I know from a fantasy perspective I'd definitely prefer he's not there :LOL:
I don't think he's likely to be relevant in classic, hasn't ever really shown any of the keeper type traits, but definitely could be a very decent draft option if the role sticks and he makes a half decent go at it. He kind of reminds me of SPP at Port, where they tried to force him into the midfield but really he just kind of got in the way of Wines and Boak doing it better, they're in a similar spot where it's a Rozee that's actually needed. From a pure football perspective, the more often Zurhaar is near the ball to tackle people, bump people and try and bulldoze people when has the ball, the more fun though.
 
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Callaghan was seen walking around once he was taken out of the game signing things & posing for photos so it looks like whatever the issue was minor 😎
From memory he had a foot injury last year, let's hope that was aggravated again.

Reading GWS comments above from the coaches, didn't sound like anyone injured, maybe just a. cramp in the heat.
 
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Tom Green putting his hand up!

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/1275829/green-leads-the-way-in-front-of-home-town-crowd

The Nation’s Capital turned up the heat on Saturday morning with hot conditions for GIANTS fans who turned out for the intra-club match and fan day at Alan Ray Oval.



The GIANTS spent three days in Canberra for the club’s Community Camp, with players visiting more than 26 schools and nine junior clubs, as well as seminars for local coaches.

The Community Camp was capped off with an intra-club practice match which saw a Charcoal 'A' team played against an Orange 'B' team featuring VFL-listed top-up players.

The match was played over four 30-minute quarters with the Charcoal team featuring young midfield stars Tom Green and Finn Callaghan as well as new backline duo Lachie Whitfield and Lachie Ash.

New GIANTS head coach Adam Kingsley said he was really pleased with the hit-out.

“The players got through the game pretty well. There was a little bit of cramping towards the end which was to be expected when it’s their first full hit-out for the summer, but they did a really good job” Kingsley said.

“We wanted to play a few certain people together as we’ve changed a few positions around this summer. Being able to play them together is important to get that synergy in the same lines so we did that for the bulk of the game, and then mixed it around a little bit towards the end.”

Off the back of a new four-year deal, which was announced in Canberra yesterday, Tom Green played a starring role in front of his home-town crowd chalking up 50 disposals for the match.

Callaghan was also strong early in the middle of the ground, starting in the centre square alongside Green and Harry Perryman, with Braydon Preuss in the ruck for the Charcoal team. Stephen Coniglio and Josh Kelly were sidelined with minor knocks picks up at training this week but are expected to return for next week’s pre-season game against the Gold Coast Suns at Blacktown.

“I thought all of the mids did a really good job in there, we got some good use out of the middle, they competed hard, and they were able to minimise the damage when they lost the clearance, so I thought they did a really good job as a group,” Kingsley said.

Harry Himmelberg led the scoring with five goals while Jake Riccardi kicked four, and Daniel Lloyd and James Peatling had three each for the Charcoal team.

Toby Greene (calf) and Jesse Hogan (wisdom teeth removal) were both on the sidelines today but will also return against the Suns practice next week.

“It was interesting, we have a couple of key forwards out so it’s going to be an interesting discussion during the week when we get those players back for the Gold Coast game around who it is, who we pick, and what those combinations look like,” Kingsley said.

“Structurally we were really strong up front, I thought what we’ve been training over the summer was reflected really well out there today which is pleasing.

“There’s still obviously work to do but the ability to win the ball in the front half and then hit the scoreboard was good.”

Having settled into their new positions, Whitfield and Ash were dominant off half-back, with Whitfield picking up 34 disposals across the day.

Also impressing the coach was Connor Idun, who returned strongly after missing the back end of last season with a foot injury.

“Idun had another good game for us. He was able to patrol across half back, intercept possessions, and then get our ball movement going, so yeah he was really strong today,” Kingsley said.

“Their [Whitfield and Ash] run and carry was really noticeable from behind the footy, and their ball use is very strong, so hopefully we can see that improve and they’ll become a real weapon for us.”

Also amongst the possessions was Callan Ward, who picked up 29 touches while playing a new role as a forward, while Perryman had 27, Nick Haynes was back to his best in the backline with 27 also while young draftee Harry Rowston had 26 playing through the middle.

Kingsley praised the GIANTS fans and members who turned out for the occasion – and his first trip to Canberra.

“It's been great down here, the turn out to all of our events has been really strong. All of our players that were involved in the community camps down here were visiting schools and junior clubs and doing the rounds yesterday and the day before, so they’ve been able to see a lot of the community which was terrific,” he said.

“We’ve seen a lot of orange out at all of the visits too which is what you always like to see – we can’t wait to get back down here for some big games this season.”

The GIANTS will take on the Gold Coast Suns in their only official practice match of the pre-season at Blacktown next Saturday. More details available, here.

Goal Kickers:

Himmelberg (5), Riccardi (4), Lloyd (3), Peatling (3), Callaghan (2) Flynn, Wehr, Green, Briggs, Kennedy, Derksen, Hebron (VFL), Pratt (VFL
Don’t do it to me again Whitfield..
 
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