Discussion 2023: Rate My Team

[Juzzo]

I was hoping to wake up this morning, log into SC and find the SC fairies had sorted a team I was comfortable to take into round 1. Nup, nowhere to be seen.

Your wish is my command:
61k in kitty.

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Drop a Gawn down to a Grundy/Darcy/English and depending on your remaining salary, you could use this for a more realistic rookie lineup given it is unlikely for three to four playing rookies priced at $102,400 and allows more flexibility when teams are announced as it is easier to drop down rookies if the basement priced options appear. If you would prefer to keep Gawn, then a fwd over $400,000 could be dropped to Fyfe, Ziebell, etc price range,

Thanks, this is where I need help... which rookies should go out/ come in?

I have 100k left

 

[NT.Thunder]

Your wish is my command:
61k in kitty.

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Too much Jones for me 😂

 

[Russty_]

Thanks, this is where I need help... which rookies should go out/ come in?

I have 100k left

Montgomerie, Drury, Mclaughlin probably won't start

 

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Midfield looks a premium short.

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Midfield looks a premium short. Maybe free some cash up with Ziebell down to a rookie and do you need Poo and Philips on the bench or just one??

 

[Hondo]

Only time Allen has averaged above 70 was when he was playing as the relief ruck/forward, which won't be happening in 2023. Lone tall forward in arguably the worst team in the league, he could produce some stinkers. Sheezel if North allow him to spend time at half back or through the mids could average 70-75 with a spike game or two, but who knows how they'll use him. Had McLean all pre-season but his final practice game performance and role are concerning.

Sometimes it's hard to ignore pre-season form. Flanders was getting praise for having a big summer and he backed it up in both practice games. I think he's a good option, but whether it's at F5 or F6 is the question.

Yeah you’re holding Allen’s past numbers against him but on the other hand Flanders past numbers that are worse are not relevant cause he had a big pre season?
At least Allen has averaged over 70! If we are going to talk past scoring history.
Obv with JJK gone he’s got a great opportunity to get over 70 and that’s all we need.

 

[Shannon]

Yeah you’re holding Allen’s past numbers against him but on the other hand Flanders past numbers that are worse are not relevant cause he had a big pre season?
At least Allen has averaged over 70! If we are going to talk past scoring history.
Obv with JJK gone he’s got a great opportunity to get over 70 and that’s all we need.

He averaged over 70 when playing as the 2nd ruck to NN & was the 3rd tall fwd target.

Simmo has stated he will no longer ruck/ too valuable as our main key fwd post JK & Darling in doubt for round 1 will be underdone if he does play so I can see far more defensive attention on Allen - he is a massive talent but I personally don’t like picking young key fwd players due to the volatility of their scoring & if they haven’t got versatility/ potential to play a 2nd role like being the backup ruck.

 

[Hondo]

He averaged over 70 when playing as the 2nd ruck to NN & was the 3rd tall fwd target.

Simmo has stated he will no longer ruck/ too valuable as our main key fwd post JK & Darling in doubt for round 1 will be underdone if he does play so I can see far more defensive attention on Allen - he is a massive talent but I personally don’t like picking young key fwd players due to the volatility of their scoring & if they haven’t got versatility/ potential to play a 2nd role like being the backup ruck.

He’s 23 now. He’s a big unit, not a 19 year old not a rookie KPF anymore. And he may well do some ruck work up forward with their ruck problems right now.

Darling missing puts more pressure on him but that may only be an issue in R1.

The scoring volatility is an issue but that means there’s a chance for an early spike score.

And he’s priced at about 40 ppg. No sub risk,

Definitely in consideration for me.

 

[BigRuss]

He’s 23 now. He’s a big unit, he’s not a rookie anymore. And he may well do some ruck work up forward with their ruck problems right now.

Darling missing puts more pressure on him but that may only be an issue in R1.

The scoring volatility is an issue but that means there’s a chance for an early spike score.

And he’s priced at about 40 ppg.

I think it’s a case of more promising rookie priced players in other positions meaning adjust the structure to suit.

That being said he might kick 17 against a Mckay-less North first up and we’ll all be scrambling to ride the wave.

 

[Hondo]

I think it’s a case of more promising rookie priced players in other positions meaning adjust the structure to suit.

That being said he might kick 17 against a Mckay-less North first up and we’ll all be scrambling to ride the wave.

Yeah the attraction for me is his age and size. Versus these similar priced first year rookies who will tire, be rested and generally not score as well as we expect. They rarely do. AFL is a big step up. Allen has been there done that.

 

[jobeywatto]

Yeah but on hand you’re holding Allen’s past numbers against him but on the other hand Flanders past numbers that are worse are not relevant cause he had a big pre season?
At least Allen has averaged over 70! We can’t use past scores selectively when it suits us.
Obv with JJK gone he’s got a great opportunity to get over 70 and that’s all we need.

Well yeah, you can't just pick every player based on history. Nobody is picking Green or Bruhn or Gulden or Flanders based on past averages, but because those players have shown obvious signs of improvement in the pre-season that would indicate their scoring is about to go to another level. Whether they will is another question, but that's the risk/reward.

I get the argument that Flanders isn't underpriced due to injury but because he's been crap at AFL level, but again, that's the risk/reward. I think he can score well beyond the 48 he's priced at.

I only brought up Allen's past scoring because without context his 78 avg season looks great, but with the context of him playing a completely different role that year, that 78 average becomes less relevant to his potential value this year. Without that role he's shown to be a 65 average player. I personally can't see Allen being worth it, especially given how bad WCE are and how tough their draw is R3-R8 which are the prime money making rounds. If you think Allen is a good pick then don't let me stop you, I just don't see it the same way.

 

[Hondo]

Well yeah, you can't just pick every player based on history. Nobody is picking Green or Bruhn or Gulden or Flanders based on past averages, but because those players have shown obvious signs of improvement in the pre-season that would indicate their scoring is about to go to another level. Whether they will is another question, but that's the risk/reward.

I get the argument that Flanders isn't underpriced due to injury but because he's been crap at AFL level, but again, that's the risk/reward. I think he can score well beyond the 48 he's priced at.

I only brought up Allen's past scoring because without context his 78 avg season looks great, but with the context of him playing a completely different role that year, that 78 average becomes less relevant to his potential value this year. Without that role he's shown to be a 65 average player. I personally can't see Allen being worth it, especially given how bad WCE are and how tough their draw is R3-R8 which are the prime money making rounds. If you think Allen is a good pick then don't let me stop you, I just don't see it the same way.

The 78 is not really a thing for me. That was also with JJK and Darling and he was 21. Like you say sometimes you’ve got to tear up the history book when the new year is a very different world for a particular player. JJK gone is huge for him. natural improvement is just as important as new in field opportunities.
BTW you’re still kind of going back to his past scores to predict 65 did you notice.
Flanders on the other hand not much has really changed for you’re more just hoping he becomes less “crap” than he has been so far

 

[BIGB0Y]

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When does gws brisbane play? Half your team will be playing in the same game.

 

[jobeywatto]

The 78 is not really a thing for me. That was also with JJK and Darling and he was 21. Like you say sometimes you’ve got to tear up the history book when the new year is a very different world for a particular player. JJK gone is huge for him.
Yet you’re still kind of going back to his past scores to predict 65. Either is a fresh start for thirst guys or it isn’t.
Flanders on the other hand not much has really changed for you’re more just hoping he becomes less “crap” than he has been so far

If you're picking Allen based on natural improvement and more opportunity then you're essentially picking him for the same reasons others are picking Flanders. If we ignore history, then Flanders plays a much more fantasy-relevant role, in a better team, and has shown more scoring potential in pre-season. That's why I think he's a better pick.

And no, I'm predicting 65 based on the fact he's a key forward playing for the potential wooden spoon team. Doesn't scream 80 average to me.

 

[TigerTime]

Still not overly happy no matter how I alter my structure, but this is where I'm sitting for now.
Touk a clear POD that I'm willing to take the risk on. Having the standalone bye definitely helps his case.

 

[Hondo]

If you're picking Allen based on natural improvement and more opportunity then you're essentially picking him for the same reasons others are picking Flanders.

Moreso more opportunity for Allen. And he’s got an injury discount,
Role change / new opportunity are usually what trigger the score jumps.
Natural improvement is fine but it’s a bit harder to predict when that will reflrct in scores. All the players under 28 should be improving every year otherwise out they go.
Flanders needs to show he can tap the potential this year otherwise the club might soon decide he’s never going to cut it at this level. Should be good motivation by itself to push a score jump.

 

[inwhiterooms]

The 78 is not really a thing for me. That was also with JJK and Darling and he was 21. Like you say sometimes you’ve got to tear up the history book when the new year is a very different world for a particular player. JJK gone is huge for him. natural improvement is just as important as new in field opportunities.
BTW you’re still kind of going back to his past scores to predict 65 did you notice.
Flanders on the other hand not much has really changed for you’re more just hoping he becomes less “crap” than he has been so far

Is McLean your F6? I’m curious.

 

[Hondo]

Is McLean your F6? I’m curious.

Yeah
Allen would be F5 if going by price, if I pick him
My setup is like the last team posted above.
Batting a bit deeper in the mids than most of the recent teams, rightly or wrongly

 

[Hondo]

And no, I'm predicting 65 based on the fact he's a key forward playing for the potential wooden spoon team. Doesn't scream 80 average to me.

I don’t think we need 80 from Allen. 70 is fine, 75 a bonus. Just need a spike score from him.
Ashcroft, Ginbey and MacKenzie won’t get 80 either but we are picking them at $200k.
FWIW I reckon Flanders goes 65-75 as well. That gives him a 50% score improvement.
All these guys are cash cows, that’s it. Who’s going to give us that spike score so we can dump and run

 

[inwhiterooms]

Ridley Daicos Yeo Ginbey McKenna Constable (Wilmot Cincotta)

Bont Cripps Steele Jelly Green Ashcroft Mackenzie Phillips (Baker Chesser Davey)

Darcy Marshall (Esava)

Dunkley Rozee Taranto Gulden Bruhn McLean (Greene S. Ryan)

A cheeky little 13 premium tinker in the name of science. Taking a lot of the value premiums to start. Don’t hate it…

21k bank.