Position 2023: Midfield Discussion
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Why is Andrew Brayshaw going so bad?
Supercoach scores of 70, 106 and 84.
Is it because he is:
- Ranked 5th inTurnovers per game?
No because Bont is 4th, Taranto equal 5th, Oliver 9th, etc. and they are scoring fine.
- Ranked 2nd in Total Turnovers?
No, Bont is 1st. Sheezel is equal 7th and he's scoring through the roof.
What did you do to him Freo?
Supercoach scores of 70, 106 and 84.
Is it because he is:
- Ranked 5th inTurnovers per game?
No because Bont is 4th, Taranto equal 5th, Oliver 9th, etc. and they are scoring fine.
- Ranked 2nd in Total Turnovers?
No, Bont is 1st. Sheezel is equal 7th and he's scoring through the roof.
What did you do to him Freo?
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There's currently 6 Collingwood players averaging ~110 or above (Darcy Cameron is off by one point 
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As good as they have been, I think that will normalise somewhat.
).As good as they have been, I think that will normalise somewhat.
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We've traditionally seen a group who comes out of the block averaging 120+ by this stage, noting that not all will finish in that vein.
The start to this season has been really odd in that only LDU and Oliver has done that to date at 133 & 131 respectively, then there's a big gap to Libba at 117 with the rest not going at much over 100.
You can look at it from both point of view...
The start to this season has been really odd in that only LDU and Oliver has done that to date at 133 & 131 respectively, then there's a big gap to Libba at 117 with the rest not going at much over 100.
You can look at it from both point of view...
- The game style (focus on faster ball movement) has had a negative impact on your traditional top inside mids hence reducing their involvement correlating to lower scores.
- The reversion to the mean will eventuate at some point which will add value to our upgrades.
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Thanks for the response. Great perspective as always
I want to bring in a premium midfielder this week and I think your second point speaks to where my thoughts are at. There are a number of 'traditionally' high scorers who have started the season slowly and if the thinking is their scoring will pick up, then they offer a fair bit of value. Or is there a changing of the guard in the mid premos and I have to force myself to think a bit differently this year when making my selection.
I want to bring in a premium midfielder this week and I think your second point speaks to where my thoughts are at. There are a number of 'traditionally' high scorers who have started the season slowly and if the thinking is their scoring will pick up, then they offer a fair bit of value. Or is there a changing of the guard in the mid premos and I have to force myself to think a bit differently this year when making my selection.
Personally, I'm waiting on the MIDs to show themselves as outside Oliver, noone is demanding attention or is getting out of reach anytime soon. Likewise with the forwards as that's probably the most volatile line and there looks to be value to be had if you're patience enough.
Rucks and Defenders on the other hand are where you can fall behind quickly if not set up accordingly.
English looks to be the premier ruck now, 15+ ahead of next best (I don't have him, started with Witts and traded into Grundy last round). Can't really do much right now but will look to correct to him when the timing and opportunity presents.
The threshold for DEFs looks to be tracking according to last season's expectation. We've already got Daicos, Dawson & Ryan all averaging 127+ to start the season, first 2 will be $600k+ by the close of this round. Then you have the group of Stewart/Sinclair/Sicily all looking likely to repeat last year's performance and trending towards that $600k price point. Stewart is a good buy this round, Sinclair next round and Sicily the following round working on the basis that we're trying to get them at their 'perceived' lowest price point. Easier says than done as unless you've got a core group of MPs and cash ITB, it's a bit of Russian roullette trying to pick off the Rookie downgrade on offer who you'll need the majority to be playing through the MBRs.
I'm of the firm belief that this is a season where we need to show alot of restraint with regards to the Rookies we've started in R1 as they look to be the ones who have the best JS and more importantly, not prone to the sub. Unless I have a good reason to do so, my intention is to hang onto them for as long as I can or until I'm forced into trading them out.
There's a common cry which we're all too familiar with on these forums, 'Rookies will come, they always do...'. Though I believe that will always be the case, however, we need to factor in the sub rule as the majority of Rookies post R1 have been largely affected by this.
Yes it's only 4 rounds into a 24 rounds season but that's my observation to date which I wanted to share.
Rucks and Defenders on the other hand are where you can fall behind quickly if not set up accordingly.
English looks to be the premier ruck now, 15+ ahead of next best (I don't have him, started with Witts and traded into Grundy last round). Can't really do much right now but will look to correct to him when the timing and opportunity presents.
The threshold for DEFs looks to be tracking according to last season's expectation. We've already got Daicos, Dawson & Ryan all averaging 127+ to start the season, first 2 will be $600k+ by the close of this round. Then you have the group of Stewart/Sinclair/Sicily all looking likely to repeat last year's performance and trending towards that $600k price point. Stewart is a good buy this round, Sinclair next round and Sicily the following round working on the basis that we're trying to get them at their 'perceived' lowest price point. Easier says than done as unless you've got a core group of MPs and cash ITB, it's a bit of Russian roullette trying to pick off the Rookie downgrade on offer who you'll need the majority to be playing through the MBRs.
I'm of the firm belief that this is a season where we need to show alot of restraint with regards to the Rookies we've started in R1 as they look to be the ones who have the best JS and more importantly, not prone to the sub. Unless I have a good reason to do so, my intention is to hang onto them for as long as I can or until I'm forced into trading them out.
There's a common cry which we're all too familiar with on these forums, 'Rookies will come, they always do...'. Though I believe that will always be the case, however, we need to factor in the sub rule as the majority of Rookies post R1 have been largely affected by this.
Yes it's only 4 rounds into a 24 rounds season but that's my observation to date which I wanted to share.
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I'd note that Bont blotted his copybook by scoring 89 in Rd 3 against Brisbane in a match where he was best on ground and dragged the Dogs over the line to a win.
He had an outrageous 13 clangers in that match (the record is 15 - also Bont lol) including 6 frees against and 15 turnovers to drag him down to 89. But it was otherwise a sterling performance with 28 touches (19 effective), 16 contested, 7 clearances, 6 tackles, 7 inside 50s and 543 metres gained. I watched the game and he was everywhere and of a different class to other mids. By rights he should have scored 130 which would have had him going 107, 125, 130, 122 for an average of 121 putting him at 8th overall and 3rd among mids behind Oliver and LDU (who's played one less game).
We can't revise history by pretending he didn't make all those clangers, I'm just saying he's closer to that Oliver level this season than say Laird/Neale/Miller/Cripps. He's only kicked 1 goal this year, if he starts averaging 1-2 per game he'll go 120+
He had an outrageous 13 clangers in that match (the record is 15 - also Bont lol) including 6 frees against and 15 turnovers to drag him down to 89. But it was otherwise a sterling performance with 28 touches (19 effective), 16 contested, 7 clearances, 6 tackles, 7 inside 50s and 543 metres gained. I watched the game and he was everywhere and of a different class to other mids. By rights he should have scored 130 which would have had him going 107, 125, 130, 122 for an average of 121 putting him at 8th overall and 3rd among mids behind Oliver and LDU (who's played one less game).
We can't revise history by pretending he didn't make all those clangers, I'm just saying he's closer to that Oliver level this season than say Laird/Neale/Miller/Cripps. He's only kicked 1 goal this year, if he starts averaging 1-2 per game he'll go 120+
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