Discussion 2022 AFL: Practice Matches & AAMI Community Series Discussion
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Sicily is a very dangerous man to fade just because of his popularity. To be honest I don't even really love the pick but the simple fact is he has 3 seasons of 95+ playing defense, two at 103+ and he looked fine in the preseason game so far.
I'd question how low you have his projection that you are comfortable being able to miss big on it and still not be worried.
For mine even at a 94 average, he's going to be hard to actually make make any ground by not having him, he probably needs to average low to mid 80s to really be able to get ahead of him as a pick and that's absolutely in the worst case range for mine. Flipside a guy in 40% of teams is going to more or less end you if he does get back to his best.
He's definitely one I'm going to watch very closely next week though as I do have some very real concerns on him as a pick.
I'd question how low you have his projection that you are comfortable being able to miss big on it and still not be worried.
For mine even at a 94 average, he's going to be hard to actually make make any ground by not having him, he probably needs to average low to mid 80s to really be able to get ahead of him as a pick and that's absolutely in the worst case range for mine. Flipside a guy in 40% of teams is going to more or less end you if he does get back to his best.
He's definitely one I'm going to watch very closely next week though as I do have some very real concerns on him as a pick.
90-95 but I really think the ACL is what will curtail him; also I think there's a lot of scope for defenders to go over 100+ It's also structural; I don't trust him enough as a D3 and a D4 is too much to spend on a speculative pick in my book (I don't mind Whitfield as a D4 because that involves a structural change), and I see any of Heeney/Butters/Tarryn as far more bang for the same buck on a far shallower line, and right now they're all gone for Weller + midpricers+rookies.
It also wouldn't surprise me if Sicily was averaging 100+ halfway through the season then tanked down to 90 at the end, which would make it seem like he's an excellent starting pick but very few would have the courage to actually trade him out were that scenario to eventuate.
It also wouldn't surprise me if Sicily was averaging 100+ halfway through the season then tanked down to 90 at the end, which would make it seem like he's an excellent starting pick but very few would have the courage to actually trade him out were that scenario to eventuate.
It's funny the ACL is not even on my list of concerns, guy took 18 months to come back from a 9 month injury and I never actually heard of any setbacks so you have to assume they just were happy blooding people last year and have eased him back as slow as possible. Barring the increased odds of doing it again, which usually has happened by now if it's going to, I don't really see it impacting anything.
Their 6 million back flankers they've added or developed in those 2 years on the other hand absolutely do bother me.
FWIW your projection is very similar to mine but I hate the idea of being behind 40% of the comp if he does get back to 100+ when realistically a 95 from his starting point is an acceptable D6 and I'm not starting anyone else to fill that spot.
The same exact reason I'm picking Dunkley, it's a defensive pick that has enough upside to stand on its own and way too much downside if I'm wrong! They both also don't need to do anything special to actually work. Sicily at 95+ is acceptable, Dunkley just needs to hold his average and stay on the park.
Their 6 million back flankers they've added or developed in those 2 years on the other hand absolutely do bother me.
FWIW your projection is very similar to mine but I hate the idea of being behind 40% of the comp if he does get back to 100+ when realistically a 95 from his starting point is an acceptable D6 and I'm not starting anyone else to fill that spot.
The same exact reason I'm picking Dunkley, it's a defensive pick that has enough upside to stand on its own and way too much downside if I'm wrong! They both also don't need to do anything special to actually work. Sicily at 95+ is acceptable, Dunkley just needs to hold his average and stay on the park.
Oh yeah the other HBFs are a concern; just that between JDavey talking about ACLs in this video
View: https://youtu.be/zB9_I0Gy77I
I believe and thinking of similarities to Docherty in 2020 when we had someone come back from a similar injury. Of course it's not exactly the same as Docherty had two but Docherty also had a lot higher pedigree than Sicily does.
I believe and thinking of similarities to Docherty in 2020 when we had someone come back from a similar injury. Of course it's not exactly the same as Docherty had two but Docherty also had a lot higher pedigree than Sicily does.
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Some good discussion going on here. Think have views and keeping an open mind on these topics is the key.
ACLs have a history of limited players by 10%, however, Sicily is no midfielder and it sounds like his intercepting skills haven't been impacted. One factor can be TOG% which needs to be built up.
The issue around other players in the side is a concern too. Also, Sicily has in the past been targeting and his hot head comes into action. A guy who gave a 5 free kicks this week alone suggests the time out of the game only led to increase emotion for Sic dog.
Think the point of being undervalue is important and for me the way to o***et it if I dont pick him, is to get value elsewhere. Stewart when injured didn't put in a low score, so he is no help. Arguably there is a number of premium defenders who may offer value for various reasons and I would be targeting them. Ridley, Short are some that others are looking at. Value in forwards is fine, although, others may have those as well.
I will watch him this week and make a final call. Between Whitfield and Sicily it feels like Whitfield has the better role. Also worth noting Sicily has been out of the game for a long time and rules have changed. The interceptors still seem to be going ok, and Sicily if he retains kicks outs will gain that rule which changed since he was out (I think that was 2020), may help his scoring too.
ACLs have a history of limited players by 10%, however, Sicily is no midfielder and it sounds like his intercepting skills haven't been impacted. One factor can be TOG% which needs to be built up.
The issue around other players in the side is a concern too. Also, Sicily has in the past been targeting and his hot head comes into action. A guy who gave a 5 free kicks this week alone suggests the time out of the game only led to increase emotion for Sic dog.
Think the point of being undervalue is important and for me the way to o***et it if I dont pick him, is to get value elsewhere. Stewart when injured didn't put in a low score, so he is no help. Arguably there is a number of premium defenders who may offer value for various reasons and I would be targeting them. Ridley, Short are some that others are looking at. Value in forwards is fine, although, others may have those as well.
I will watch him this week and make a final call. Between Whitfield and Sicily it feels like Whitfield has the better role. Also worth noting Sicily has been out of the game for a long time and rules have changed. The interceptors still seem to be going ok, and Sicily if he retains kicks outs will gain that rule which changed since he was out (I think that was 2020), may help his scoring too.
