Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

[Ironhawk]

Feeling pretty comfortable with this team. I've paid some attention to pre-season scores but more roles/fitness than anything.

Backs
Premos: Lloyd and Crisp pick themselves I feel. Lloyd is a real "what you see is what you get" pick, and in the past I've been frustrated whenever I don't have him. I also think Crisp is primed for some more midfield time.
Mid-pricers: Sicily and Hewett are both defensive picks, but I also absolutely see the merit in both to them. More to the point - for 847.1k, I'm getting what I perceive to be about 190-195 points per week. I'm happy with that calculation.
Rookies: I suspect that Kelly will play (just a gut feeling) but if not, then I will look to rejig - maybe Sinn gets a game. D7 is why I've left some cash in the bank. Other 3 pick themselves (because there are no other options.

Mids
Premos: Steele and Miller are two players I really enjoy watching. I think there's a lot to be said for picking players you enjoy watching. I think they are both able to tackle their way to respectable scores even when things aren't always going their way, and they're going to be the no.1 options for their respective teams. I'm content with fading Macrae, because he's got more competition for points.
Mid-pricers. This is the core of my team. I think all 4 of these players are great value, and maybe I'm backing myself into a hole here, but 35 trades + 2 trade boosts gives me the confidence that even if only 2 of them properly work out, I'll still be in a good position. Some will definitely disagree, but the rookies this year don't fill me with confidence, so this is how I'm filling out my team.
Rookies: People far more switched on than me have written tomes about the prospects of each of these rookies. Suffice to say that JHF, Daicos, Ward and Stephens will all play, and the right people are talking about McEntee.

Rucks
While I flirted with Preuss, in the end, I don't like messing around with my rucks. Maybe next year we won't be talking about Gawndy, but until we're not, I'm backing them in.

Fwds
Premos: Dunkley and Butters both offer some value I feel - I had Tarryn Thomas in this group as well until I readjusted the structure. I think Dunkley could really hurt any teams that don't pick him, and Butters looks set to take the next step.
"Mid-pricers": These are expensive rookies in my eyes, bar Coniglio who is the biggest lock in Supercoach 2022. Xerri looks set to have a role that's too good to ignore, and I really rate Brodie. Much like the defenders, there aren't a wealth of rookies, so I'm kind of forced down this route - not that I'm complaining.
Rookies: Rachele picks himself, Durdin should play, and I'm unsure about Hayes. Hayes could be replaced by Baldwin, as could Durdin if he doesn't get up for the game.

My overall thoughts are that it's a year for mid-pricers, and we're in for a world of hurt rookies-wise, which is why I've set up the way I have. Hopefully it doesn't leave me dragging behind those that have gone for less expensive options.

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You had 3 lines identical (on field) to mine prior to some late tweaks I made, so I don't mind it.

 

[pj14_]

Defenders
Premiums: Lloyd, Crisp, Ridley & Short have all been locked in for obvious reasons. Lloyd and Crisp and both consistent and reliable - set and forget type picks. I like Ridley as a player and can see him taking the next step this season and as for Short I can only see him benefiting from the departure of Houli.
Rookies: Uhhhh, this is where things get interesting. I've tried and tried to figure out how I can put a team together without Hinge but he keeps finding a way back in. The way I see it, his body only has to remain in-tact until DPP-changes come in and Daicos can swing down back to cover but that is a big if. Between Gibcus, Wanganeen-Milera and Sinn I am hoping somebody can get on the park and have a consistent run at it. I'm not sold on Chapman or Hewett so am trying to avoid bringing either of those two in. Have contemplated going 5 premiums and brining Whitfield in but don't want to compromise anywhere else.

Midfielders
Premiums: Macrae has been locked in from the get go. Have been tossing between Miller and Steele but after the pre-season games locked in Miller - he just works harder than any other player out there, it's incredible to watch. Brayshaw in as a bit of a POD - I like him a lot - also contemplated Kelly but think Brayshaw is the safer bet. Neale - lock.
Mid-pricers: Berry in as a value pick - have played around with dropping him down to Stephens (who I think with his current role could be played as on-field rookie) and banking the cash elsewhere.
Rookies:JHF, Daicos and Ward all must haves in my book. Rachele in the midfield as a swing for Brodie or Naish - just provides more flexibility. O'Driscoll a placeholder will change when teams are announced but like having the DEF-MID DPP with Sinn.

Rucks
Premiums: Fairly stock standard, Gawn and Grundy not asking any questions here just locking them both in for a big season.

Forwards
Premiums: Dunkley looked too good to ignore - leaving him out is too big of a risk when he sits in 57% of teams.
Mid-pricers: I've gone high-risk high-reward here, I just couldn't help myself..Cogs a lock, McGovern looked great - slightly concerned about the body, particularly when he sat out Q4 in the pre-season game but it's a risk I am willing to take with the new role providing great value (can always swing Rachele forward and on-field). If Brodie remains in the guts and Xerri claims #1 ruck they both have tremendous upside potential - certainly a few question marks but have them in there for now.
Rookies: Rolling the dice with Naish, 58 SC from 38 TOG, open to being talked out of this one but I think he looks good and with injuries mounting at the Eagles I can see him getting some serious minutes. Baldwin and Martin placeholders but seem likely.

 

[freowho]

Defenders
Premiums: Lloyd, Crisp, Ridley & Short have all been locked in for obvious reasons. Lloyd and Crisp and both consistent and reliable - set and forget type picks. I like Ridley as a player and can see him taking the next step this season and as for Short I can only see him benefiting from the departure of Houli.
Rookies: Uhhhh, this is where things get interesting. I've tried and tried to figure out how I can put a team together without Hinge but he keeps finding a way back in. The way I see it, his body only has to remain in-tact until DPP-changes come in and Daicos can swing down back to cover but that is a big if. Between Gibcus, Wanganeen-Milera and Sinn I am hoping somebody can get on the park and have a consistent run at it. I'm not sold on Chapman or Hewett so am trying to avoid bringing either of those two in. Have contemplated going 5 premiums and brining Whitfield in but don't want to compromise anywhere else.

Midfielders
Premiums: Macrae has been locked in from the get go. Have been tossing between Miller and Steele but after the pre-season games locked in Miller - he just works harder than any other player out there, it's incredible to watch. Brayshaw in as a bit of a POD - I like him a lot - also contemplated Kelly but think Brayshaw is the safer bet. Neale - lock.
Mid-pricers: Berry in as a value pick - have played around with dropping him down to Stephens (who I think with his current role could be played as on-field rookie) and banking the cash elsewhere.
Rookies:JHF, Daicos and Ward all must haves in my book. Rachele in the midfield as a swing for Brodie or Naish - just provides more flexibility. O'Driscoll a placeholder will change when teams are announced but like having the DEF-MID DPP with Sinn.

Rucks
Premiums: Fairly stock standard, Gawn and Grundy not asking any questions here just locking them both in for a big season.

Forwards
Premiums: Dunkley looked too good to ignore - leaving him out is too big of a risk when he sits in 57% of teams.
Mid-pricers: I've gone high-risk high-reward here, I just couldn't help myself..Cogs a lock, McGovern looked great - slightly concerned about the body, particularly when he sat out Q4 in the pre-season game but it's a risk I am willing to take with the new role providing great value (can always swing Rachele forward and on-field). If Brodie remains in the guts and Xerri claims #1 ruck they both have tremendous upside potential - certainly a few question marks but have them in there for now.
Rookies: Rolling the dice with Naish, 58 SC from 38 TOG, open to being talked out of this one but I think he looks good and with injuries mounting at the Eagles I can see him getting some serious minutes. Baldwin and Martin placeholders but seem likely. View attachment 40694

I have the same issues with the backline. It's the only line I'm uncomfortable with. Don't want to fill it up with premiums and it feels like I'm destined to make a bad decision!
Hoping my bad decision isn't as bad as everyone else's bad decision.

 

[wogitalia]

I have the same issues with the backline. It's the only line I'm uncomfortable with. Don't want to fill it up with premiums and it feels like I'm destined to make a bad decision!
Hoping my bad decision isn't as bad as everyone else's bad decision.

My worry with filling the backline is the IF question around someone going to a higher level.

My gut says that really only Lloyd, Whitfield, Crisp, Hall, Ziebell (Hall LTI) and Dawson really have genuine 110+ cases. I think Stewart, Rich, Ridley, Dale (intercept role) and Ryan have solid 110 cases.

Then I think you've got another group including Daniel, Short, May, Salem, Sicily, Hewett and a few others that have the 105 type cases.

Preseason Hall was the only one I actually liked to go 110+ in that group and I think all of the 110 group are more likely to be 105 than 110.

Of course the DPP changes are also significant. Pendles and Merrett probably the two names that are at least possible based on coach talk that could shift things, though Merrett seems unlikely but would shift it the most obviously if he did.

So yeah, I don't really think the goal posts move, so realistically if you can pick 5 guys in that ~105 range you're probably going to be just fine. That probably the two strongest 110+ guys have had their preseason derailed certainly helps put the cap on a bit.

I just feel like with the backs you're picking from a group of 20 guys that are more or less the same thing so there's probably a lot less scope for getting it wrong.

 

[Gruffles]

Random Sunday team - not sure I hate it..
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I was scrolling down like, Nice, Nice, Nice, OMG I want to throw up!

 

[Professor]

ok, not happy with a weak mid bench, but can loop others from different lines. Welcome Harris and Patrick.

 

[Herbie66]

ok, not happy with a weak mid bench, but can loop others from different lines. Welcome Harris and Patrick.

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Where does your cash generation come from though if they are not playing ?

Come on Professor you can do much better.

 

[Herbie66]

SHORT , WHITFIELD * , SICILY , Blakey , Chapman , Hinge (?) / Gibcus (?) , McCartin

MACRAE , NEALE , CRIPPS , Rowell , Berry , JHF , Daicos , Ward / Rachele * , D Stephens , Sinn (?) *

DARCY , GRUNDY / Dixon * or Hayes *

DUNKLEY , HEENEY , BUTTERS , CONIGLIO * , McGovern , Brodie * / Curnow , Xerri

Let the good times roll

 

[Shannon]

ok, not happy with a weak mid bench, but can loop others from different lines. Welcome Harris and Patrick.

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Professor, come on mate …

The the 3 sun bench rookies & O’Driscoll are highly unlikely round 1

Horne Francis is almost a must have

Maybe Danger out for Cripps, Hollands for Horne Francis as a start.

 

[randomcliche]

SHORT , WHITFIELD * , SICILY , Blakey , Chapman , Hinge (?) / Gibcus (?) , McCartin

MACRAE , NEALE , CRIPPS , Rowell , Berry , JHF , Daicos , Ward / Rachele * , D Stephens , Sinn (?) *

DARCY , GRUNDY / Dixon * or Hayes *

DUNKLEY , HEENEY , BUTTERS , CONIGLIO * , McGovern , Brodie * / Curnow , Xerri

Let the good times roll

Looks like good times!

Sdk for Gibcus, switch Rachele and Brodie on match day, bench ward/JHF if X playing 1st ruck, see what you can afford on the defence line to strengthen Blakey or Chapman with Curnow to Martin/Durdin.

 

[Herbie66]

Looks like good times!

Sdk for Gibcus, switch Rachele and Brodie on match day, bench ward/JHF if X playing 1st ruck, see what you can afford on the defence line to strengthen Blakey or Chapman with Curnow to Martin/Durdin.

Keep reading SDK won't even play , mind you I guess Gibcus JS is not 100% either.

Very curious to see the NM ruck setup , personally can't see Goldy spending the majority of the time as a forward.

Durdin might be ok , Martin seems questionable JS as well.

Guess we find out in the next few days.

 

[randomcliche]

Keep reading SDK won't even play , mind you I guess Gibcus JS is not 100% either.

Very curious to see the NM ruck setup , personally can't see Goldy spending the majority of the time as a forward.

Durdin might be ok , Martin seems questionable JS as well.

Guess we find out in the next few days.

If SDK doesn’t play my whole team needs a restructuring. It’s that bad when you only want to run 3 premo defenders. So I’m just going to delete team now.

 

[Professor]

Where does your cash generation come from though if they are not playing ?

Come on Professor you can do much better.

Thanks for the feedback Herbie 😁 cash gen comes from my onfield rookies and the ones on my defensive and forward lines.

Professor, come on mate …

The the 3 sun bench rookies & O’Driscoll are highly unlikely round 1

Horne Francis is almost a must have

Maybe Danger out for Cripps, Hollands for Horne Francis as a start.

lol, I'm not picking Cripps this year, but I do wish him all the best. 1 game isn't enough of a sample size, especially the way he butchered the ball and he's not going to kick 4 every week. Come round 1, CD should have their regular seniors scoring, so it might come as a surprise to some that scores will normalise. I'm banking on Rowell getting a niggle, which opens the door for a hard body in Tsitas or a soft one in Hollands.

In all seriousness I may have to cull a 200k player to upgrade the mid bench. Danger will get more mid minutes this season and with the new Geelong assistants, they'll change that ball movement, not keen on spending that much on HF if he's playing forward only, appreciate your feedback.

 

[Herbie66]

If SDK doesn’t play my whole team needs a restructuring. It’s that bad when you only want to run 3 premo defenders. So I’m just going to delete team now.

You never know Gould might debut Round 1 😭

I have tried 3 , 4 & 5 premium defenders and still not happy , maybe just Whitfield , Sicily + 6 rookies is the way to go.

 

[Herbie66]

Geez Louise

The Lloyd , Whitfield + 6 rookies defence opens up a world of possibilities

Neale @ M4
Darcy , Grundy
Cogs @ M5

Lose 3 of the Brodie , Curnow , McGovern , Xerri price types for 2 cheaper defender rookies , most are looking at rookie D5 & D6 in any case.

Interesting

 

[Deeman1]

Geez Louise

The Lloyd , Whitfield + 6 rookies defence opens up a world of possibilities

Neale @ M4
Darcy , Grundy
Cogs @ M5

Lose 3 of the Brodie , Curnow , McGovern , Xerri price types for 2 cheaper defender rookies , most are looking at rookie D5 & D6 in any case.

Interesting

Maybe, but I think the problem without seeing who your 6 DEF rookies are, I think, Brodie, Curnow, McGovern and Xerri have the much better both scoring and cash generation.

Why do you think most teams are light up forward and heavier down back, IMO the FWD cheapness are better than the DEF ones.

 

[Herbie66]

Maybe, but I think the problem without seeing who your 6 DEF rookies are, I think, Brodie, Curnow, McGovern and Xerri have the much better both scoring and cash generation.

Why do you think most teams are light up forward and heavier down back, IMO the FWD cheapness are better than the DEF ones.

Because we are all sheep and following the shepherd 😀

Let's see

Are Bailey , Heeney & Butters a better option than Sicily ?

Does Brodie suddenly jump over Brayshaw , Fyfe , Mundy & Serong ?

How long does McGovern's hamstrings last before they go twang.

Does Charlie's knees hold up ?

Is Xerri really going to be the # 1 ruck ?

I guess most want 4 defender rookies at D5-8 in any case , so maybe we get the "bonus" 2

Hinge - shoulder , JS
Gibcus - JS
NWM - ?
McCartin - Reid factor
Kemp - sub factor
Sinn - best 22

They could even all be missing come Round 3-4 even if they do start Round 1

Bailey - > Value forward
Oliver - > Cripps

would beef up D3 & 4 , amazing how much 4 players completely changes a starting structure

3 ultra mid premiums to start though sure makes upgrading easier

 

[Mark Crorigan]

I'm liking the look of my lads so far:



I think the Butters F1 strategy is the way to go. Happy to chat about my reasoning for my other players but I'll discuss the potential movers:

Hewett - Centre bounce role and Walsh out for 6 weeks is pretty tasty, but that awkward price and lack of previous score consistency worries me (although I'm aware of the different roles in the past). Previously had the odd tagger role with the Swans, I'm hoping he doesn't get that again at the Blues. Can anyone put my mind at ease about Hewett?

Chapman - I have a gut feeling he'll be good this year. When I watched him in a couple of games last year I don't think his SC score really matched with how well he did (from the eyeball test). Plus with Freo playing some more kick-focused footy this year he may very well benefit highly from this. He's still relatively unproven though so this is a bit of a mid-price risk for me.

Ralphsmith - looks to pick up a half back role where he'd do well to accumulate points. I'm unsure of how locked in his playing time and role is though, if anybody can confirm that would be great!

Obviously keeping my eye on all rookies/juniors! Happy to listen to your thoughts/tips/criticisms.

 

[Bontempele]

It's a solid looking team!

I don't think Kelly will be playing, so you might need to swap a few things around to bring in Sinn/Wanganeen-Milera/a premium in defence. One easy solution to this is to bring in another mid rookie or two - Hough and MacDonald are very likely to play and should be solid. Cooper Stephens and Mitch Owens are also chances.

If N Martin plays, he should score a lot better than J Hayes and S Hayes, since he plays high half-forward.

I think the only other concern is whether you have enough top-line premiums in your team. Cripps, Sicily, and Hewett all provide great value, but you might run out of trades if they all turn out to not quite be premiums. But this is super high reward if they all become premiums!

Correction: I didn't realise Witherden was suspended, so Hough may actually not be the best option. But Owens should have strong JS if he plays.

 

[Grundogging]

Because we are all sheep and following the shepherd 😀

Let's see

Are Bailey , Heeney & Butters a better option than Sicily ?

Does Brodie suddenly jump over Brayshaw , Fyfe , Mundy & Serong ?

How long does McGovern's hamstrings last before they go twang.

Does Charlie's knees hold up ?

Is Xerri really going to be the # 1 ruck ?

I guess most want 4 defender rookies at D5-8 in any case , so maybe we get the "bonus" 2

Hinge - shoulder , JS
Gibcus - JS
NWM - ?
McCartin - Reid factor
Kemp - sub factor
Sinn - best 22

They could even all be missing come Round 3-4 even if they do start Round 1

Bailey - > Value forward
Oliver - > Cripps

would beef up D3 & 4 , amazing how much 4 players completely changes a starting structure

3 ultra mid premiums to start though sure makes upgrading easier

I suspect the game we're all playing with our back six is hanging on for grim death and getting any scores we can on the board until we reach round 6 where we can hopefully shift players like McGovern, Daicos, JHF, etc to help fill rookie holes in other lines.