Position 2022: Ruck Discussion

[randomcliche]

I found your comments good.

Interesting that you said he rests on the bench and not somewhere else on the field, agree, that will not help McInerney's scoring.

If Daniher and Fullarton are poor ruckmen, then I can see why Brisbane traded in Fort, maybe not so much to help out McInerney, but to help the Brisbane's team.
Do you think Fort will play? If so, they rotate off the bench?

In McInerney's last 5 games, he played against Dockers, Magpies, Eagles and Demons, where he scored 120, 131, 96 and 127 SC pts. I tthought he did very well against the top ruckmen.

Agreed. And he did go to town on the easiest of matchups with a 148 vs GCS, and a couple of easier matchups Geelong/Stk did kick off his improved form.

 

[Ironhawk]

I found your comments good.

Interesting that you said he rests on the bench and not somewhere else on the field, agree, that will not help McInerney's scoring.

If Daniher and Fullarton are poor ruckmen, then I can see why Brisbane traded in Fort, maybe not so much to help out McInerney, but to help the Brisbane's team.
Do you think Fort will play? If so, they rotate off the bench?

In McInerney's last 5 games, he played against Dockers, Magpies, Eagles and Demons, where he scored 120, 131, 96 and 127 SC pts. I tthought he did very well against the top ruckmen.

McInerney spent 82.5% TOG last year. Compare that to other top rucks of Grundy at 80.9%, Darcy 80.9% and Naitanui 68.2% and it looks fine. Not as high as Gawn (89.1%) admittedly, but still not a major reason to rule him out.

 

[McLovin]

I found your comments good.

Interesting that you said he rests on the bench and not somewhere else on the field, agree, that will not help McInerney's scoring.

If Daniher and Fullarton are poor ruckmen, then I can see why Brisbane traded in Fort, maybe not so much to help out McInerney, but to help the Brisbane's team.
Do you think Fort will play? If so, they rotate off the bench?

In McInerney's last 5 games, he played against Dockers, Magpies, Eagles and Demons, where he scored 120, 131, 96 and 127 SC pts. I tthought he did very well against the top ruckmen.

I don't think there's any info out there to indicate whether Fort's purely a replacement for Archie Smith as a mature backup or a genuine chance at playing as a second ruck while Hipwood's out.

 

[dlanod]

I found your comments good.

Interesting that you said he rests on the bench and not somewhere else on the field, agree, that will not help McInerney's scoring.

If Daniher and Fullarton are poor ruckmen, then I can see why Brisbane traded in Fort, maybe not so much to help out McInerney, but to help the Brisbane's team.
Do you think Fort will play? If so, they rotate off the bench?

Fort may play until Hipwood returns. After all we were playing Fullarton to insipid results last year - Fort has a chance to beat him out. In this scenario Fort plays a chop-out role similar to we saw last year.

Once Hipwood comes back, if Fort is playing I expect him to drop back to reserves as a ruck backup instead. Daniher would return to being the chop-out.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Fort isn't much more than a beanpole you put in the goalsquare and just kick to his advantage there isnt a great deal of forward craft there that would justify it being his primary role, think if he plays it's pretty bad news for McInerney's scoring prospects myself.

 

[Tranterpants]

I'm kinda tempted by Darcy plus Marshall as a potential future forward at the moment, fair to say my R2 search isn't going too well.

Daniher isn't really relevant to Oscar's scoring I'd say, he barely contests in the ruck at all even though he's good at getting involved around the ground.

I've got Marshall as well atm. Like him at the price range and hope that he can get some continuity into his game this year!

 

[BIGB0Y]

I don’t see Grundy as a danger pick at all. He had a pretty average last 6 games of last year but up to that point he was averaging 125. Last 3 years ave 130 twice and 120. Only missed 2 games in 4 years. Who’s his competition at Collingwood? Cameron and Cox 2 very average players. I see him underpriced and 120-130 ave. I hope hardly know one picks him better for my team.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

I don’t see Grundy as a danger pick at all. He had a pretty average last 6 games of last year but up to that point he was averaging 125. Last 3 years ave 130 twice and 120. Only missed 2 games in 4 years. Who’s his competition at Collingwood? Cameron and Cox 2 very average players. I see him underpriced and 120-130 ave. I hope hardly know one picks him better for my team.

Currently the most picked ruckman at 37% ownership.

 

[Blaze]

https://www.afc.com.au/news/1053716/reilly-obrien-turning-injury-into-inspiration

Not that I am endorsing the pick but here is a ROB puff piece but he is injury free and smashing the pre season.

 

[manyproblems]

Bit of a tough one the ruck line and haven't settled on it yet.

Without thinking about it too much, I'm happy picking Grundy. Durable with upside, although it wouldnt surprise me if he didn't hit 115, he should still be in his prime.

I can't justify paying 650k for Gawn who will drop to low 500s at some point. Jackson's presence has already reduced his hitout count by 20%, and its either going to stay the same or trend downwards.

Darcy's is a bit of a tough one, I don't doubt he scores 120+ but he could have been subbed off 4 times last year and limped to the finish line. He's in for now because hes a straight swap to Gawn if something happens.

OMac I quite like - however this is a post from Supercoach with DR from youtube, a die hard Brisbane man has given me some doubt

"In regards to the Big O, he is basically the hardest worker at the club. Natural progression would suggest that his avg continues to rise. One thing to look out for is the lions ruck setup moving forward. Looks like we are looking to play 2 rucks with Big O and Darcy Fort. (at least until Hipwood returns). I know the club rates Fort as a ruck first and foremost, although have mentioned he is a capable forward. Big O can also have an impact up forward, so really not sure what their ruck share will be. If he loses 20% time in the ruck next year, that may potentially halt his rise in Ave. "

If Omac and Fort play in the same team in the unofficial trial/AAMI game, and Fort is mostly forward both games, and the club gives indication of this, theres a high chance I'll pick Omac. It seems there a chance he ends up a forward as well which helps. Given his work ethic and age, I am confident he'll be a good scorer with the right amount of ruck minutes.

 

[NakinakiFC]

How much of a factor do the trade boosts have on what was traditionally a 'set and forget' line? Feel like there's a lot more contingency in the rucks now with the added flexibility for corrective trades. Can't wait to look back in round 10 to see what the winning strategy was!

 

[freowho]

How much of a factor do the trade boosts have on what was traditionally a 'set and forget' line? Feel like there's a lot more contingency in the rucks now with the added flexibility for corrective trades. Can't wait to look back in round 10 to see what the winning strategy was!

I don't think we've been told why we have the extra trades have we? Has it been confirmed that this is the COVID plan? Will there be more offered if things go pear shaped?
I don't think it changes the basic premise that if others are upgrading while your covering injuries you are still falling behind. Although they are inevitable, we shouldn't be picking a team based on the expectation that someone will be a corrective trade. They are still a bad thing.

 

[Buddy Starmart]

marshall is good age profile could he get fwd dpp latter on but still avg high in the first 6 rounds

 

[GrainFedBeef]

I don't think we've been told why we have the extra trades have we? Has it been confirmed that this is the COVID plan? Will there be more offered if things go pear shaped?
I don't think it changes the basic premise that if others are upgrading while your covering injuries you are still falling behind. Although they are inevitable, we shouldn't be picking a team based on the expectation that someone will be a corrective trade. They are still a bad thing.

Social media comments from SCBBL where players missed due to covid/close contact led to some asking Tim Mitchell to make some early decisions for AFL, rather than in season. So, if players out for covid then it is treated like an injury. If team games are cancelled then in season decisions may happen. The 35 trades are extras are to cover covid injuries by the looks of it.

Pear shaped event unlikely to see more trades, expect average or something else may apply.

Agree we shouldn't plan on corrective trades.

 

[freowho]

marshall is good age profile could he get fwd dpp latter on but still avg high in the first 6 rounds

He could. And it looks likely if Ryder plays.
The problem is if he doesn't, averages 105 while Darcy, Grundy and Gawn are averaging 120+ then you're a bit stuck and losing points. His price is unlikely to get away from us and we should still be able to trade him in at a good price.
I don't mind it as a gamble, but understand it's a gamble.

 

[Diabolical]

marshall is good age profile could he get fwd dpp latter on but still avg high in the first 6 rounds

Given he has the round 12 bye, I would prefer to run with one of the big men who doesn’t. If he does go to that next level or get forward status, we can always target him in round 13.

 

[wogitalia]

With a DPP like Marshall you have to pick them as a genuine ruck. If you think they can do that then the potential DPP is a bonus. Picking for the DPP is a fool's game as it's not guaranteed and you can end up nowhere.

Witts the guy I haven't seen a lot in the rate my team yet, assuming he's back for round 1 he's probably the most interesting player for those not sure on the premiums.

Priced at 70, if he can hit out a 90+ average and a couple of bigger scores, of which he's very capable (17 over 100, 4 over 140 in last 3 seasons), then he'd absolutely do the job. Not dissimilar to a Hickey type last year as a bridging option. It's not the kind of cash generation you'd like and his likelihood of becoming a premium off an ACL at his age is exceedingly unlikely but he's very unlikely to lose cash and would definitely serve to close the gap if you think premiums will fall.

 

[Eagling]

With a DPP like Marshall you have to pick them as a genuine ruck. If you think they can do that then the potential DPP is a bonus. Picking for the DPP is a fool's game as it's not guaranteed and you can end up nowhere.

Witts the guy I haven't seen a lot in the rate my team yet, assuming he's back for round 1 he's probably the most interesting player for those not sure on the premiums.

Priced at 70, if he can hit out a 90+ average and a couple of bigger scores, of which he's very capable (17 over 100, 4 over 140 in last 3 seasons), then he'd absolutely do the job. Not dissimilar to a Hickey type last year as a bridging option. It's not the kind of cash generation you'd like and his likelihood of becoming a premium off an ACL at his age is exceedingly unlikely but he's very unlikely to lose cash and would definitely serve to close the gap if you think premiums will fall.

Low risk, low reward imo.

 

[wogitalia]

Low risk, low reward imo.

For a comparison the likes of Hickey, Dale, Hind, Heppell, Cumming, Hall, Hardwick and Weitering all were in a similar range and all made at least 120k with a couple all the way up towards 250k.

For most of us if you took a rookie pick and got 150k you'd be pretty happy which Witts could easily do with a 90 average and a couple of 110 games to spike his price.

Do agree though, low risk, middling reward is really what he'd be about and he's probably only really going to make sense if you're not confident on the premiums and none of the guys below are an option.

Still, worth a bit of chat I think given I definitely find myself in the "not feeling great on the premiums" camp.

 

[Eagling]

For a comparison the likes of Hickey, Dale, Hind, Heppell, Cumming, Hall, Hardwick and Weitering all were in a similar range and all made at least 120k with a couple all the way up towards 250k.

For most of us if you took a rookie pick and got 150k you'd be pretty happy which Witts could easily do with a 90 average and a couple of 110 games to spike his price.

Do agree though, low risk, middling reward is really what he'd be about and he's probably only really going to make sense if you're not confident on the premiums and none of the guys below are an option.

Still, worth a bit of chat I think given I definitely find myself in the "not feeling great on the premiums" camp.

I agree with all the statements above; I don't think he'll be too disappointing if you're realistic about him but the opportunity cost in the ruck is too great IMO between Darcy's ceiling and Gawndy being Gawndy.