Discussion 2023: Round 1 Teams & In Game Discussion - See page 1 for Teams and Final Subs

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Other than a couple of hits a lot of the usual VC/C selections have not shown up this round. Taking Cripps score looks okay now. Well done if you went Gawn or Witts. A lot of people sweating on Laird tomorrow to bring it home.
I had Bont into Witts for some strange reason, I cant complain how it worked out.
 
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BOOM draftee Harry Sheezel appears poised for a run of games at half-back after his exceptional debut helped steer North Melbourne to a five-point victory over West Coast in Alastair Clarkson's first game as Kangaroos coach.

No.3 draft pick Sheezel (34 disposals, 625 metres gained) was drafted as a forward-midfielder but stole the show on debut off half-back, delivering a performance reminiscent of Rising Star Nick Daicos' 2022 at Collingwood.

"He is a pretty special talent for us," Clarkson said.

"We just really lacked some polish in our back half ... he did give us a little bit of that class.

Where he actually settles we're not too sure but he might be starting at half-back for us next week."
Yeap Next Week.......money in the bank waiting. On field player.
 

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15/1,318 but don’t have Stewart or Jones to blame.

Mixed results running a value midfield with LDU and Rowell performing well, but Bazlenka going poorly. Rookies OK, but no Sheezel. My scores below proving mid pricers are a waste of time, even with Rowell pumping up their average. At least I fielded the right rookies. My score breakdown so far:

Premiums = 6/635 (105.8 PSI)
Midpricers = 4/301 (75.3 PSI)
On field rookies = 5/382 (76.4 PSI)
Bench rookies = 5/207 (41.4 PSI)

Looks like I should use a midpricer to grab Sheezel ASAP!

5 premiums, including captain, and a midpricer and rookie to come. If I can keep my averages up, 2,100 not out of reach.
 
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Sydney vs GC

General - Very ordinary game. Suns didn't show up until basically quarter time, neither team was clean but Swans much cleaner and never really challenged.

Swans - Good bounce back after the GF embarrassment, really needed that win as a team, Suns have been an absolute nightmare for us as well so even bigger win. No real surprises from anything here.

Warner - HF/Mid role, pretty much same as last year, looked really solid, could have been a huge game if he could kick tonight. Looks set for a really good year.

Lloyd - The gull! Junk time kicked in very early in this and he went into overdrive. Was solid and played a good game of footy but don't think this is to be expected most weeks, the Suns ball use was abysmal.

Stephens - Huge game for him, maybe it's finally clicking. Was great.

Gulden - Really strong role, definitely better than expected, must be noted that Mills had a very light midfield role, dare say to protect his gimpy finger but Gulden cashed in. Had a calf strapped in the last but came back out so probably just a cork. Looked the goods and will be one to watch next week for anyone without him.

Rampe - Turned back the clock, great game.

Blakey - Surprised by his ratio, didn't really feel like he had a stinker. Same role as last year, took his fair share of kick-ins.

Mills - As mentioned, not a lot of midfield time but was around the contest a fair bit, definitely playing a bit outside and when he kicked his goal he was clearly protecting his finger in celebrations indicating it's certainly not right yet. Definitely an upgrade target early on I think.

Parker - Role seemed fine, just didn't score great. To be fair this total non-contest doesn't really suit him.

Ladhams - I thought he was solid against strong competition, definitely did nothing to demand a spot when Hickey is back though.

Heeney - Pure forward role, HF and did get up the ground but just never really in the game. Another possible upgrade target early.

Campbell - One of his best games for us, was at HB and played well. He's got a chance to win a spot and if he plays like this, may just take it.

Roberts - Subbed on very late as we had JMc, Paddy and Gulden all under clouds at 3QT so waited even longer to make the sub, he was solid once on, clearly had more run than everyone else!

Franklin - Will probably get suspended, because AFL, but it's an awful look, Collins runs past the ball to make contact, Buddy protects himself while playing the ball and Collins gets clipped, for me that's Collins fault 100/100 times and the guy playing the ball should be able to protect from a guy trying to hit him. Fully expect Bud gets a week though because Collins ran his head into him and that's punishable by death...

Suns - They'd be pretty angry with this. Whole preseason behind them and they came out with no game plan (I hope) and zero intensity, was actually just sad to watch. Sydney have been their bunnies as well so an even worse result. Watching them refuse to ever look to switch or go inboard and just constantly bang it down the line was painful as a fan of the team benefitting from it. Their defenders all looked like they're not allowed to do anything else. Genuinely reckon they had 4 switches or inside kicks for the ENTIRE game, no composure, no control of the ball at all, would hate to be a defender having to play like that or a forward having to try and be on the end of it. No idea what they were doing because it absolutely wasn't working either.

Witts - Monster game, he dominated and was easily their best. Looks really fit and covered the ground great. Will face much tougher competition most weeks.

Rowell - Really industrious game by him, just kept working and working until he got into it and can hold his head up. If he gets suspended for going at the ball how you should, just scrap the game now. JMc is the one who should get suspended for how he stupidly went after the pill, wish they'd stamp out the dangerous action instead of punished the right action.

Miller - Really worked into the game also, good sign for a guy coming off a hamstring to be running it out that well, was just not a great game from him though, ball use a bit off and just not as involved, especially early, as he normally would be. Another who could be an upgrade target shortly but good defense of his price first up.

Constable - Got butchered by CD, his first 3 clangers should have all been effective kicks and never recovered from there. The next 3 were pretty ordinary clangers but he looked to get the ball and took a fair share of the kick-ins, he was much better than his SC score. Did not benefit from their game style at all, the long forced kick into coverage and no switching really cut him off at the legs. He's done great to score what he did honestly.

MacPherson - Really solid role, like Constable, he'd benefit from them being allowed to control the ball or switch but he also copped a DE% by having to kick down the line on team rules (I'm going with this as every single player did it every single time). He played well and did a good job on Papley who he was against most of the time.

Anderson - Shocked at his ratio as he basically didn't give it to a teammate all night! One of those weird ones that happen sometimes, yes he was contested but not that much to make up for the disposal, also not sure how he dodged any clangers. Oh well, you take that in a shocking game.

Flanders - Some exquisite junking by him to put up a reasonable score. Role as expected playing as a HF/FP with a few midfield rotations. Probably would be ok if the team had been even remotely competitive or had lowered their eyes to hit targets at any point over the 4 quarters, alas they didn't and so his role was toxic. What he did was pretty good.

Uwland - He was solid but definitely not commanding of a spot with basically 5 guys to return at his position. Showed some nice things, took a few kickins which was a surprise given he didn't look very skillful throughout the game. Will make cash in the role if he can play enough games.

Davies - Pretty ordinary role also, carried over from preseason of being a HF with the leftover mid rotations but the main 4 was the same as last year. Again failed to score and seems to lose all composure once the real stuff starts, getting awfully close to being a preseason warrior at this point.

Long - Role as expected, played pretty well but not a fantasy role, he's basically in Lemmens' role right now but can hold and play other roles so should stay in the side for now.

King - I can't really blame him, he was the deepest forward on a team that rarely got it near him, never kicked it to his advantage (he marked and goaled on literally the only one they did). Just a horrible role when getting thrashed and playing that way. Tony Locket would have scored the same. I assume they'll play differently against Essendon but god they were hard to watch.
 

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Rowsus: 14/1,305 (87.0 PSI) - Bont (Jones 5 on ground)

Prems 7/859 = 107.4 PSI
Midpricers 1/5 = 5.0 PSI
Rookies 6/441 = 73.5 PSI
Bench 4/170 = 42.5 PSI

Wife: 15/1,358 (84.9 PSI) - Cripps (Jones 5, Chesser 20 on ground.)

Prems 6/783 = 111.8 PSI
Midpricers = 4/245 = 61.3 PSI
Rookies = 5/330 = 66.0 PSI
Bench 4/200 = 50.0 PSI
 
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Franklin - Will probably get suspended, because AFL, but it's an awful look, Collins runs past the ball to make contact, Buddy protects himself while playing the ball and Collins gets clipped, for me that's Collins fault 100/100 times and the guy playing the ball should be able to protect from a guy trying to hit him. Fully expect Bud gets a week though because Collins ran his head into him and that's punishable by death...
https://foxsportspmd-a.akamaihd.net...HIT_2023-18-03_11-42-27_202303182246_2628.mp4

Franklin bumped and hit Collins in the head, I don't see how Collins is at fault.
 
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15/1435 (Bont)
Highlights: None really.
Lowlights: None really.
Life under mid price madness, I guess.

Actually that's not fair on Ed Richards. Nice to share his 105 points with the grand total of 992 other coaches that kept the faith. Pity I didn't carry that through with Daics and LDU. Hoping that keeping Young will pay off. Already got Sheezel but chickened out on Rat, meaning I had no viable way to take his score.

11 scores 85+ with 8 tons. Top score of 115. Thankfully nothing onfield under Ashcroft's 55 and none of the injury carnage, SC Gods be praised.

Darcy (120), Marshall (110), Young (100), Green (110), Worpel (95), Callaghan (85) and Mackenzie (75) on field tomorrow. Hopefully I can scrounge out 2,150.
 
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Melbourne vs Bulldogs

General - Watched only 3 and a bit quarters here, missed majority of the last. Was a solid game, very similar to their GF a couple of years ago, Melbourne blitzed the Dogs in a 3 minute patch and then basically just slightly outplayed them the rest of the way.

Demons - Strong win, basically everything they wanted to do or tried worked out.

Oliver - Butchered it a bit but was otherwise Clayton like. Still, not a good first up score for him and he looms as a downgrade if he can't fix it next week.

Pickett - Role was really strong and he played an absolute blinder of a game, really working up the ground and linking up a lot. He's thrown up an amazing test case for the MRP claim they're going to judge the action not the outcome this year with his bump. I don't know how anyone could argue it wasn't high, intentional and severe impact, which is tribunal, if he can get that down to careless or high impact then he should just take it, that said on outcome you can argue it wasn't high contact or impact given no injury for Smith at all. I think if he gets 3 weeks he's pretty lucky but god only knows.

Gawn - Really solid game, left a LOT of points on the table with really sloppy marking attempts which is the good sign. I'm not sure he would hit the 35% for FWD status though tonight, he did start forward for a lot of Grundy's ruck time though, which given TOG would indicate roughly 55% forward, the hard part is judging how much the role adjusts that, the best way to describe his role would be Kane Lambert, basically as a HF who then pushed into the defensive support role for the midfield/defense, essentially he swept behind the play and then intercepted a lot of ball. He was good though and looks in ripping nick.

Petracca - Solid game, clangers and DE% really neutered him but he played great outside that, of course that is always his issue so hard to just ignore it. I'll need to see the stats on his midfield time but I'm pretty sure he wasn't close to 35% forward tonight, so that dream could be over.

Chandler - Epic performance from him, in just 3% of teams, if he can back this up he becomes a downgrade option. Has to perform or he's out when Fritsch is ready though. Basically Laurie goes out for Viney and then it's Sparrow, Harmes or Chandler for Fritsch by my count. Huge game though.

Brayshaw - Playing HB and solid. I didn't notice any midfield work for him. Is a borderline option in that role, much better in DT.

Grundy - Role as expected, mostly bench into ruck with some very limited forward time. I still don't have a clue why he went there but it is what it is. Other than what they're paying him I'm not really convinced he is in their best 22 to be honest, he's almost like a NicNat for them in that he can't really play elsewhere so he's using a lot of a bench spot when not rucking and unlike NicNat he's not a burst player either, his strength was always just working harder than his opponent and just grinding out games, English beat him soundly tonight when they were opposed.

Bowey - Strong score for him, role similar to last year.

Mcvee - He was solid down back, I have zero doubt he goes out for Salem though but showed he can play at the level.

Laurie - Didn't do much and was an obvious sub. He'll go out whenever Viney is ready, imo, or Fritsch if he's ready first, heck maybe even if Salem comes back and they use Brayshaw elsewhere.

Dogs - Same old problems for them, bad goal kicking and an inability to quickly stop momentum. Their kicking was pretty ordinary also which certainly doesn't help but when you've got a lot of Treloar (to be fair, not bad tonight) and Smith that's going to happen.

Treloar - He was huge, just worked hard all night. One to watch if he gets FWD.

English - He was huge, especially around the ground in support, he basically looked like a more athletic Grundy (prime Grundy, not this shell version), huge win for those who picked him to effectively beat Gawn and Witts, he looked pretty casual doing it against the best competition he'll face as well.

Libba - Still a beast, had some great moments. Strong start for anyone who went him.

Macrae - Not a great result, basically felt a lot like the end of last year for him playing a wing/outside support midfield role rather than getting dirty and it really restricts him, just 3 tackles and only 4 clearances neuter him in both formats. I didn't like his role.

Daniel - HB and same old for him, was solid.

Bont - Good midfield role, poor performance. Was really bad with the ball but also just not getting involved in the clearances enough, only 10CP is very low for him. Scraped together a salvageable result but was definitely underwhelming. Hopefully plays better against weaker opposition. Not a good result.

Smith - Disposal is just so poor. You can't fault how hard he runs but he just can't kick at all and the bigger problem is he's that dangerous idiot of a player who thinks he's a great kick, so not only can't he kick but he tries kicks that he shouldn't even be thinking about. I still much prefer him on the wing for their side, he just negatively impacts the rest of their mids with his style, just doesn't fit together at all. He's a great individual and in a different setup would be fantastic in this role but he just hurts them, imo.

Richards - Really solid first game, played well, scored well. Can't ask any more than that if you took him.

Baker - Not a great result but on the path to cash. See if he can hold the spot long term.

Dale - Mare of a game, just couldn't get near it, was terrible with it when he did and just a shocker. Huge upgrade target alert.

Bruce - Was solid down back and mostly did the job. Jones injury definitely opens a door.

McLean - Pretty early sub for him, didn't do much or play much, probably the most unideal type of player to get subbed on for as it was just one more small on the field so doesn't get to really play a role.

Jones - Disaster. First word I hear is a neck injury, could plausibly be zero weeks if it's just an impingement or similar causing the pain, still a stinker of a score even if he is right and wasn't exactly scoring well to that point against a team that tends to hack forward a fair bit and doesn't exactly have good KPF types. The toughest part is that unlike the forwards, no one has really put their hand up to be the downgrade target with the likes of Uwland, Goater, Bergman and McVee who aren't common all being pretty underwhelming or having low JS (or both) and the more common guys like Wilmot, Cowan and Chesser not doing anything either. Those who passed on the Cole, Ginbey, McKenna or Constable types somehow will have the easy trades though. Those who have Stewart as well will have real decisions!
 
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14/1364 Witts.

Had Jones, but was able to use Sheezel through donut loophole, so not all bad. Still have Ridley, Green, Callaghan, Laird, Day, Setterfield, and Fyfe to come.

Projected 2044, but hope to get closer to 2100 given the 3 mid prices and their potential.
 
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It would seem I peaked at the NM/WCE game and my Sunday began early from the Lions game onward!

A measly 1582/18.

Gawn my only real winner so far.

Ziebell slightly ahead of par.

Docherty and Taranto at par.

Then Oliver, Neale, Bont, Hopper, Dunkley, Rozee all really poor outcomes.

Throw in a Jones and you've got a proper trainwreck! Got to love that basically every spot that you spent extra cash ended up costing you points on the cheap options :LOL:

Cole, Ginbey, McKenna and Sheezel all feel kind of hollow given most should be starting them anyway and if they're not it's because they structured into stronger picks that have basically all performed outside Stewart.

Ashcroft and Constable not good scores but shouldn't matter.

Jones looks a probable trade, Hopper is very much in the gun.

Oh well, bring on next week, only Coniglio and Laird left that really matters tomorrow and let's just say that my failures today do not have me optimistic :LOL:

Hopefully others are doing much better!
 
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Missed the Suns v Swans game tonight but thought I'd better get a quarter in at least to get a start on reviewing it.

God I hate night games on the Gold Coast. I think I just hate watching Gold Coast games in general. Watching Sydney hasn't been much better, Errol/Warner/Parker notwithstanding. Think I might gouge my own eyes out instead.

With Kelli, Dwayne and Dermy on commentary duty, I think I'll then use said eyeballs as earplugs.
 
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14/1364 Witts.

Had Jones, but was able to use Sheezel through donut loophole, so not all bad. Still have Ridley, Green, Callaghan, Laird, Day, Setterfield, and Fyfe to come.

Projected 2044, but hope to get closer to 2100 given the 3 mid prices and their potential.
Just realised I forgot Marshall in those yet to play.
 
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Rowsus: 14/1,305 (87.0 PSI) - Bont (Jones 5 on ground)

Prems 7/859 = 107.4 PSI
Midpricers 1/5 = 5.0 PSI
Rookies 6/441 = 73.5 PSI
Bench 4/170 = 42.5 PSI

Wife: 15/1,358 (84.9 PSI) - Cripps (Jones 5, Chesser 20 on ground.)

Prems 6/783 = 111.8 PSI
Midpricers = 4/245 = 61.3 PSI
Rookies = 5/330 = 66.0 PSI
Bench 4/200 = 50.0 PSI
You might have a chance in this one Row.
 
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