Position 2023: Ruck Discussion

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Not worried Grundy lowers his scores enough to drop $100k or more and lots pick Gawn up then when/if he get R/F.
Not really - always a chance but then there's always a chance he kicks 2+ goals every game and increases his intercept marking maintaining his average or even increasing it. Who knows. At this stage Gawn is a dream trying to get him in and Witts is a stretch so we'll see.

I'm seeing 90% of players all looking the same so I'm looking at some PODs that could make a difference without being too radical, Gawn, Witts, Macrae even, Sicily, Cumming etc. but finding the cash is difficult.
 
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Not really - always a chance but then there's always a chance he kicks 2+ goals every game and increases his intercept marking maintaining his average or even increasing it. Who knows. At this stage Gawn is a dream trying to get him in and Witts is a stretch so we'll see.

I'm seeing 90% of players all looking the same so I'm looking at some PODs that could make a difference without being too radical, Gawn, Witts, Macrae even, Sicily, Cumming etc. but finding the cash is difficult.
Yeah teams get very similar with only the one preseason game. Most jump on the best scores while the value in a Steele type get overlooked because of an average score.

Gawn looked good and scored great, but can’t see him doing that long term with Grundy taking points in the ruck, Grundy much better ruck and worse forward than Jackson. Grundy injury (but not to serious) in round 6-8 with Gawn down 100K with F/R would be idea, but wishful thinking I know. Playing Devils Advocate here a bit as Gawn is one of three I’m considering
 
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I'm seeing a lot of FOMO with Gawn, what's changed? Is it his showing against the Tigers? I'm guessing yes.

$622k is still a lot to pay for someone that is going to be sharing more ruck time with Grundy than what he did with Jackson last year. That being said, he still scored ok for 2022 but had 8 scores under 92.

My gut says he'll have some big scores this year, but the propensity to trash his price is higher with Grundy in. It's a risk, but I'm still going to fade him until at least rnd 6 when I reckon I'll have a better idea.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of FOMO with Gawn, what's changed? Is it his showing against the Tigers? I'm guessing yes.

$622k is still a lot to pay for someone that is going to be sharing more ruck time with Grundy than what he did with Jackson last year. That being said, he still scored ok for 2022 but had 8 scores under 92.

My gut says he'll have some big scores this year, but the propensity to trash his price is higher with Grundy in. It's a risk, but I'm still going to fade him until at least rnd 6 when I reckon I'll have a better idea.
For who, Darcy who is now likely sharing ruck time with Jackson, English who is likely to knock himself out in the warm up Saturday afternoon at the G or Witts - well I've got nothing on Witts as I think he's the safest option by a stretch.

Grundy could play anywhere and still be a good option IMO - the guy can rack points up. Remember he's only priced at a touch over 110 which is between 10 and 30 points less than his previous 4 years. I know Jackson came on last season but Gawn also got some knocks last season and played sore especially late in the year.

I know what you're saying, but if people are expecting Gawn to drop significantly IMO you're dreaming.
 
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For who, Darcy who is now likely sharing ruck time with Jackson, English who is likely to knock himself out in the warm up Saturday afternoon at the G or Witts - well I've got nothing on Witts as I think he's the safest option by a stretch.

Grundy could play anywhere and still be a good option IMO - the guy can rack points up. Remember he's only priced at a touch over 110 which is between 10 and 30 points less than his previous 4 years. I know Jackson came on last season but Gawn also got some knocks last season and played sore especially late in the year.

I know what you're saying, but if people are expecting Gawn to drop significantly IMO you're dreaming.
the fact that he was very lucky against some of the rucks he played against certainly inflated his score isn't that something?
 
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Not really - always a chance but then there's always a chance he kicks 2+ goals every game and increases his intercept marking maintaining his average or even increasing it. Who knows. At this stage Gawn is a dream trying to get him in and Witts is a stretch so we'll see.

I'm seeing 90% of players all looking the same so I'm looking at some PODs that could make a difference without being too radical, Gawn, Witts, Macrae even, Sicily, Cumming etc. but finding the cash is difficult.
Yeah teams get very similar with only the one preseason game. Most jump on the best scores while the value in a Steele type get overlooked because of an average score.

Gawn looked good and scored great, but can’t see him doing that long term with Grundy taking points in the ruck, Grundy much better ruck and worse forward than Jackson. Grundy injury (but not to serious) in round 6-8 with Gawn down 100K with F/R would be idea, but wishful thinking I know. Playing Devils Advocate here a bit as Gawn is one of three I’m considering
I'm seeing a lot of FOMO with Gawn, what's changed? Is it his showing against the Tigers? I'm guessing yes.

$622k is still a lot to pay for someone that is going to be sharing more ruck time with Grundy than what he did with Jackson last year. That being said, he still scored ok for 2022 but had 8 scores under 92.

My gut says he'll have some big scores this year, but the propensity to trash his price is higher with Grundy in. It's a risk, but I'm still going to fade him until at least rnd 6 when I reckon I'll have a better idea.
On the other hand, those expecting Gawn to drop just enough do so with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed and attentive.
I think it is fair to say if you said Gawn was going from 58% of RC to 50% you expect him to score less.

At 48% against Richmond he scores 150. Well, we didn't see that coming.

As Gawn's RC has decreased, his score per RC has lifted 20% for various reasons. He is not sitting on the Bench yet his score per min has decreased by 3%.

The looks at his initial 11 games. English (Hard), OscarM (Hard), Ladhams, NicNat, Draper, Nank, Goldy, Witts (Hard), Hawks, Lycett and Darcy (medium). The hard games can be a combo of opposition mids or ruckman.

I think it is hard to split Witts, Gawn and Darcy. Darcy/Witts has 5/11 hard games vs Gawn's 4.

Gawn had Jackson last year so we have seen some impact.

Darcy has Jackson now but could still dominate ruck time, but maybe he doesn't. Also always looks like he is injured, better preseason this time given he started injured last time.

Witts also better preseason, yet his scores fell away late last season against better ruckman, had a golden run there for a while against the backup ruckman.

Maybe it comes do to what you can afford. If Gawn and Witts ave the same, the price is not that different that it will make a difference.

Just think we know roughly who are the better rucks, you could argue they are all unpredictable.
 
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Not worried Grundy lowers his scores enough to drop $100k or more and lots pick Gawn up then when/if he get R/F.
Not really, if Gawn's role is that bad the first couple of weeks, I'll just trade him out, if it's not then the pick was good.

I'm seeing a lot of FOMO with Gawn, what's changed? Is it his showing against the Tigers? I'm guessing yes.

$622k is still a lot to pay for someone that is going to be sharing more ruck time with Grundy than what he did with Jackson last year. That being said, he still scored ok for 2022 but had 8 scores under 92.

My gut says he'll have some big scores this year, but the propensity to trash his price is higher with Grundy in. It's a risk, but I'm still going to fade him until at least rnd 6 when I reckon I'll have a better idea.
Basically I have no idea on the other rucks, I'm only really considering 3 others but there's definitely cases for another couple on top of them and after using a ton of trades there I'm happy to lose some cash on a guy that's likely to be a keeper to get a sighter on the rest of the field.

As I mentioned, if he's terrible then I just burn the trade to whoever looks the right answer at round 3.

I think it's worth noting for all the talk of Grundy taking the ruck, he's not very good at the intercept mark thing either so I can actually see Gawn effectively playing a HF role (like he did in the preseason game) and flanking behind the play when Grundy is rucking. McDonald took a lot of their F50 ruck contests which suggests they'd prefer Gawn behind the ball to in those contests, which makes sense, he's a freaking great intercept player and allows Lever and May to cheat cover even more as well.

Push comes to shove, Gawn in the ruck is going to happen because he's the better player by a fair margin.

Plus, I can't understate that Grundy has found a lot of injuries the last couple of years, the odds at this point definitely say he gets injured at some point, if that was round 3, Gawn is going to be a very hard player to buy come round 6 or 7. For me that chance is definitely worth considering because I don't think Witts, English or even Darcy (especially with Jackson) can match Gawn's scoring if he does end up the lone ruck.

FWIW, I think fading him is absolutely a solid play, especially if, unlike me, you've got any kind of read or feel on who is going to be the top ruck. The reality is that the most likely outcome is he's an F6 pick as a starter, the potential to be much more than that and the uncertainty at R1 for me, makes that an acceptable outcome but I'll be the first to admit, it doesn't make for a great pick. Obviously I'm hoping for one of the better scenarios when making the pick but my realistic outcome definitely supports not starting him if you've got an alternative you like.
 

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Is English currently fit? The injury list doesn’t mention him.

I’m thinking that getting in the player who seems like the highest averaging ruck (in the base case scenario) is potentially worth taking the risk that he sustains another injury.

We do have six extra injury trades, if you want to look at it that way.
 
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Is English currently fit? The injury list doesn’t mention him.

I’m thinking that getting in the player who seems like the highest averaging ruck (in the base case scenario) is potentially worth taking the risk that he sustains another injury.

We do have six extra injury trades, if you want to look at it that way.
Yes, they made a comment yesterday on him being fit, had some preseason niggles only.
 
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