Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion - OPEN
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Maybe he's just a bit stuck, and doesn't know how to advance from where he is now.
I'm sure he receives plenty of good advice but maybe he doesn't know how to analyse and accept it?
Could be some other kind of mental reason there but we might not know what that is until he comes forward and talks about it.
I'm sure he receives plenty of good advice but maybe he doesn't know how to analyse and accept it?
Could be some other kind of mental reason there but we might not know what that is until he comes forward and talks about it.
This is where I am atm.
SUPERCOACH 25
Bont - mid
Daicos - mid
Gulden - mid
Sheezel - mid, no brainer if dpp
Butters - mid
Rozee - mid
Neale - mid
Dunkley - mid
Serong - mid
Ryan - def
Houston - def
………………………………….
Can only pick around that core.
4 mid max and both Def in starting team.
Keep strong down back.
Daicos, Sheezel, not going to be def next year.
Fwd gonna be roulette again.
Flanders, Zorko, Heeney, Caldwell not gonna be fwd next year.
Good luck-no compromise’s except for injury.
Keep it simple stupid.
NO CANGES you moron.
BREAKOUT
Warner
Day
ROOKIE IMPROVERS - need to be future stars
Dempsey- Have to select, don’t chicken out. If dpp no brainer
Reid- no brainer if fwd
Darcy
Wilson
Mckercher
Dart throws
Wardlaw
Thilthorpe
Caddy
INJURED-good value
Petracca
Oliver
Dawson
Sicily
Ruck - trust the ranking here
Xerri - 25 yo
Meek - 25 yo
English - 26 yo
Tdk - 24 yo
SUPERCOACH 25
Bont - mid
Daicos - mid
Gulden - mid
Sheezel - mid, no brainer if dpp
Butters - mid
Rozee - mid
Neale - mid
Dunkley - mid
Serong - mid
Ryan - def
Houston - def
………………………………….
Can only pick around that core.
4 mid max and both Def in starting team.
Keep strong down back.
Daicos, Sheezel, not going to be def next year.
Fwd gonna be roulette again.
Flanders, Zorko, Heeney, Caldwell not gonna be fwd next year.
Good luck-no compromise’s except for injury.
Keep it simple stupid.
NO CANGES you moron.
BREAKOUT
Warner
Day
ROOKIE IMPROVERS - need to be future stars
Dempsey- Have to select, don’t chicken out. If dpp no brainer
Reid- no brainer if fwd
Darcy
Wilson
Mckercher
Dart throws
Wardlaw
Thilthorpe
Caddy
INJURED-good value
Petracca
Oliver
Dawson
Sicily
Ruck - trust the ranking here
Xerri - 25 yo
Meek - 25 yo
English - 26 yo
Tdk - 24 yo
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Looks like its a deep draft this year so hopefully plenty of rookies, although always prefer mature agers. Top end seems mid heavy. Richmond may be keen on midfielder Jagga Smith who had 30 in his first VFL game for them, and Ashcroft junior might slot in at HF. Haven't looked too deep at the rest, just from watching Gettable podcast.
Hopefully they get rid of the sub rule. If its kept then will look to more mid pricers. B18 saved me from 6-7 scores under 30 in the first 6 weeks, be it sub or dud rooks.
Structure wise, going deep in defense has been a consistent strategy when I've applied it. Allows for more spending elsewhere usually, and takes pressure off the def bench. Mid bench has more space on it to cover that line, and fwd/mid rooks seem more abundent than def rooks usually.
These are my considerations atm
Defenders
Jordan Clark 580k- Like him a lot, close to max price though. High floor besides a Tag game, and the tag usually goes to Serong anyway. Good age, durability and very good rebounder and interceptor.
James Sicily 570k - Take out that R1 debarcle, has been top 6 since R2. Start to wonder whether fwd time could be real if they recruit Battle and theyve lost Lewis. Still think 95% he'll be def. Been playing with a bung shoulder but will see if he trains fwd at all in preseason. done 113+ twice and priced 10pts below that.
Ed Richards 550k - Not getting the CBAs consistently but I reckon they go up next year. Has put in a few dud games but also a few monsters, more CBA should help that. Will pick straight away if something happens to Libba or Treloar, but will track how they all go in preseason.
Bailey Dale 550k - Been elite this year and sub game priced in, like Clark can cop the odd tag. No more Richards and Daniel taking his points.
McKercher 450k - Can rack the pill up at will, and looks to be Batman with no Robin back there. No reason for him to play up the ground yet with Sheezel, Wardlaw, LDU, Simpkin in the midfield Contested game is not there yet. Another preseason to build his body will do him a lot of good, more so than anyone. 450k is pushing though, can pay 550 for a seasoned premium.
Isaac Cumming 290k - Durability a problem but will take because of price if he moves clubs. Himmelberg took his role, expect him to play HB at an SA club next year. Hope for a full preseason.
Kiddy Coleman 200k - Don't know how they price him, if they give him 50% discount like Williams then will be dirt cheap and walk up start.
Mids
Bont - 680k - Not sure, is 29 which is when regression often comes for mid. Just whether to start or not.
Sheezel 640k - , Hopefully some sort of DPP. Think tags come, media catching on to how good he is. Feels like a safe captain, probably only gets better as may North.
Brayshaw 580k - Big fan of Andy, had a poor start but found form now. Lots more mids around him though, but no tag threat and can do 110+. WIll probably ruin his price with Freo's soft run.
Petracca 570k - Cheap for what he can do but I think this forward split will continue going forward. I think pass but not a hard pass yet.
Dawson 550k - A bit of a mess. Had some tag games, sort foot, concussion, role changes and terrible form. Still spat out 100 average somehow.. Crows midfield is always a ? and he doesn't need to be at every CBA. If going deep in the midfield will proabbly pick but not super confident.
Rozee 550k - Full preseason and locked. Tag goes to Butters. Will forgive the hammy this year because of age and otherwise clean history, and they way he did it was with a very awkward landing.
Caldwell 550k - Post bye now done 117 (5 games). Fixture has helped that but has a lot of low cba games priced into him. Highly considering, looks awesome and no tag threat. Injury history is shocking but has had a clean run this year bar a 0 week calf tightness game when subbed.
Clayton Oliver 470k - Won't be in my opening team until I see enough in preseason. As bad as this year has gone, he has been 120+ for 4 years straight, something that most of this next gen crop can only dream of. Saw something about him playing a different role this year? Big upside here and age is ok, will be 27.5. It sticks in my mind he told the club he was committed to behavioural change during trade period negotiations, only to have a seziure at Joel Smith's house weeks later. Has he made inroads or is he still going to have issues?
Will Ashcroft 380k - No preseason, low cbas at the moment. Price will fluctuate give low games played. Anything under 400k I'll take. Done 84 on 44% CBAs in year 1, think he can outdo that in year 3 will a full preseason.
Callum Mills 300k* - Just a watch on where his price ends up as he's played one game, what role he plays and his preseason.
Rucks
IDK what I'm doing here. If Pitto is traded then TDK's upside will be hard to pass. Never really played close to 22, maybe still a start and sell high or when/if he booms. Like Xerri, good age but max price. Meek as well but slightly lower ceiling. 33yo Gawn for 680k, think they gotta get him some support in o***eason. I don't think they keep SDK ruck permanetly with Conway there, but who knows. Will just keep Xerri/TDK combo on open and monitor what else is going on through preseason.
Forwards
Not much here...
Izak Rankine 570k - Expecting the 50%ish CBA role to hold next year. Bad history of hammys, think hes done 3 or 4. But bit of upside is there. Very driven, wants to be best player in the comp. Thinking start at the moment, but happy to fade if structure allows it.
Mattaes Phillipou 300k - Will likely ruin his price up another 50k. I will start regardless provided preseason is good. Not going to call him Bont, but he's the closest archtype and is just starting to put a few runs on the board. Saints midfield is a mess, need to turf 3-4 plodders and let Mattaes be the answer to their prayers.
Caleb Daniel 260k - Will depend on if there are any suiters for him, not sure there will be.
Bailey Smith 200k - Assuming 50% discount. Walk up, sounds almost certain to head down the highway.
Elijah Hewett 124k - Season ruined by injury, but liked the look of him when he played last year.
Hopefully they get rid of the sub rule. If its kept then will look to more mid pricers. B18 saved me from 6-7 scores under 30 in the first 6 weeks, be it sub or dud rooks.
Structure wise, going deep in defense has been a consistent strategy when I've applied it. Allows for more spending elsewhere usually, and takes pressure off the def bench. Mid bench has more space on it to cover that line, and fwd/mid rooks seem more abundent than def rooks usually.
These are my considerations atm
Defenders
Jordan Clark 580k- Like him a lot, close to max price though. High floor besides a Tag game, and the tag usually goes to Serong anyway. Good age, durability and very good rebounder and interceptor.
James Sicily 570k - Take out that R1 debarcle, has been top 6 since R2. Start to wonder whether fwd time could be real if they recruit Battle and theyve lost Lewis. Still think 95% he'll be def. Been playing with a bung shoulder but will see if he trains fwd at all in preseason. done 113+ twice and priced 10pts below that.
Ed Richards 550k - Not getting the CBAs consistently but I reckon they go up next year. Has put in a few dud games but also a few monsters, more CBA should help that. Will pick straight away if something happens to Libba or Treloar, but will track how they all go in preseason.
Bailey Dale 550k - Been elite this year and sub game priced in, like Clark can cop the odd tag. No more Richards and Daniel taking his points.
McKercher 450k - Can rack the pill up at will, and looks to be Batman with no Robin back there. No reason for him to play up the ground yet with Sheezel, Wardlaw, LDU, Simpkin in the midfield Contested game is not there yet. Another preseason to build his body will do him a lot of good, more so than anyone. 450k is pushing though, can pay 550 for a seasoned premium.
Isaac Cumming 290k - Durability a problem but will take because of price if he moves clubs. Himmelberg took his role, expect him to play HB at an SA club next year. Hope for a full preseason.
Kiddy Coleman 200k - Don't know how they price him, if they give him 50% discount like Williams then will be dirt cheap and walk up start.
Mids
Bont - 680k - Not sure, is 29 which is when regression often comes for mid. Just whether to start or not.
Sheezel 640k - , Hopefully some sort of DPP. Think tags come, media catching on to how good he is. Feels like a safe captain, probably only gets better as may North.
Brayshaw 580k - Big fan of Andy, had a poor start but found form now. Lots more mids around him though, but no tag threat and can do 110+. WIll probably ruin his price with Freo's soft run.
Petracca 570k - Cheap for what he can do but I think this forward split will continue going forward. I think pass but not a hard pass yet.
Dawson 550k - A bit of a mess. Had some tag games, sort foot, concussion, role changes and terrible form. Still spat out 100 average somehow.. Crows midfield is always a ? and he doesn't need to be at every CBA. If going deep in the midfield will proabbly pick but not super confident.
Rozee 550k - Full preseason and locked. Tag goes to Butters. Will forgive the hammy this year because of age and otherwise clean history, and they way he did it was with a very awkward landing.
Caldwell 550k - Post bye now done 117 (5 games). Fixture has helped that but has a lot of low cba games priced into him. Highly considering, looks awesome and no tag threat. Injury history is shocking but has had a clean run this year bar a 0 week calf tightness game when subbed.
Clayton Oliver 470k - Won't be in my opening team until I see enough in preseason. As bad as this year has gone, he has been 120+ for 4 years straight, something that most of this next gen crop can only dream of. Saw something about him playing a different role this year? Big upside here and age is ok, will be 27.5. It sticks in my mind he told the club he was committed to behavioural change during trade period negotiations, only to have a seziure at Joel Smith's house weeks later. Has he made inroads or is he still going to have issues?
Will Ashcroft 380k - No preseason, low cbas at the moment. Price will fluctuate give low games played. Anything under 400k I'll take. Done 84 on 44% CBAs in year 1, think he can outdo that in year 3 will a full preseason.
Callum Mills 300k* - Just a watch on where his price ends up as he's played one game, what role he plays and his preseason.
Rucks
IDK what I'm doing here. If Pitto is traded then TDK's upside will be hard to pass. Never really played close to 22, maybe still a start and sell high or when/if he booms. Like Xerri, good age but max price. Meek as well but slightly lower ceiling. 33yo Gawn for 680k, think they gotta get him some support in o***eason. I don't think they keep SDK ruck permanetly with Conway there, but who knows. Will just keep Xerri/TDK combo on open and monitor what else is going on through preseason.
Forwards
Not much here...
Izak Rankine 570k - Expecting the 50%ish CBA role to hold next year. Bad history of hammys, think hes done 3 or 4. But bit of upside is there. Very driven, wants to be best player in the comp. Thinking start at the moment, but happy to fade if structure allows it.
Mattaes Phillipou 300k - Will likely ruin his price up another 50k. I will start regardless provided preseason is good. Not going to call him Bont, but he's the closest archtype and is just starting to put a few runs on the board. Saints midfield is a mess, need to turf 3-4 plodders and let Mattaes be the answer to their prayers.
Caleb Daniel 260k - Will depend on if there are any suiters for him, not sure there will be.
Bailey Smith 200k - Assuming 50% discount. Walk up, sounds almost certain to head down the highway.
Elijah Hewett 124k - Season ruined by injury, but liked the look of him when he played last year.
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One I’m keeping an eye on is Noah Anderson.
As you know, all of Gold Coast's home games this season have been wins and all their away games have been losses.
In 7 games at PFS he has gone at 139.9 from 7 games. When you include all their home games (2 TIO games) he's gone at 133.1 from 9 games. His scores read 155, 151, 150, 149, 140, 132, 129, 122, 70. Other than that 70 game (v North at TIO in round 9) he has been crazy good. All of those scores are captaincy worthy scores.
In the 9 away games however, he has gone at 81.3. Those scores read 105, 98, 93, 92, 91, 89, 59, 55, 50. The first 6 scores are respectable, but he has 3 in the 50s. The 59 was against GWS last week where he copped Bedford. The 55 was against Carlton and Fanfooty suggests he was tagged by Hewett. The 50 was against Sydney and Fanfooty suggest he was tagged by Jordon. So what we know is he can't handle a tag but when allowed to run free he has a good floor and he's already shown a high ceiling at home.
If we look at 2023, he averaged 104.9. He went at 105.7 from 11 home games. In 12 away games he went at 104.2. 107.1 in 14 losses. 101.4 in 9 wins. In 2022 he averaged 100.4. 104 from 11 home games. 96.5 in 10 away games. 96.3 in 12 losses. 105.9 in 9 wins.
So he hasn't had this stark disparity in scores between home and away games or wins and losses in previous years. He actually did better in losses than wins in 2023.
His career averages have been trending up year after year. From his debut season in 2020 to his current average in 2024 he has gone 76.6, 83.6, 100.4, 104.9, 107.2*. Also has shown great durability. Has played 99 out of a possible 102 games in his career to date. The last game he missed was round 8, 2022.
Will be a very interesting option. At his price he has to be a keeper. Should continue to improve with natural progression. Could be that POD who fires early and proves his premium status, boosting you ahead of the pack. Similar to those who started Rowell this year or jumped on early, although ideally he doesn't turn into a spud like Rowell has been lately haha.
As you know, all of Gold Coast's home games this season have been wins and all their away games have been losses.
In 7 games at PFS he has gone at 139.9 from 7 games. When you include all their home games (2 TIO games) he's gone at 133.1 from 9 games. His scores read 155, 151, 150, 149, 140, 132, 129, 122, 70. Other than that 70 game (v North at TIO in round 9) he has been crazy good. All of those scores are captaincy worthy scores.
In the 9 away games however, he has gone at 81.3. Those scores read 105, 98, 93, 92, 91, 89, 59, 55, 50. The first 6 scores are respectable, but he has 3 in the 50s. The 59 was against GWS last week where he copped Bedford. The 55 was against Carlton and Fanfooty suggests he was tagged by Hewett. The 50 was against Sydney and Fanfooty suggest he was tagged by Jordon. So what we know is he can't handle a tag but when allowed to run free he has a good floor and he's already shown a high ceiling at home.
If we look at 2023, he averaged 104.9. He went at 105.7 from 11 home games. In 12 away games he went at 104.2. 107.1 in 14 losses. 101.4 in 9 wins. In 2022 he averaged 100.4. 104 from 11 home games. 96.5 in 10 away games. 96.3 in 12 losses. 105.9 in 9 wins.
So he hasn't had this stark disparity in scores between home and away games or wins and losses in previous years. He actually did better in losses than wins in 2023.
His career averages have been trending up year after year. From his debut season in 2020 to his current average in 2024 he has gone 76.6, 83.6, 100.4, 104.9, 107.2*. Also has shown great durability. Has played 99 out of a possible 102 games in his career to date. The last game he missed was round 8, 2022.
Will be a very interesting option. At his price he has to be a keeper. Should continue to improve with natural progression. Could be that POD who fires early and proves his premium status, boosting you ahead of the pack. Similar to those who started Rowell this year or jumped on early, although ideally he doesn't turn into a spud like Rowell has been lately haha.
On Sheezel... I think the latest analysis suggested that he hadn't played enough forward or mid to get DPP and could very well still just be a defender in 2025.
Shouldn't matter though: he doesn't miss games, he's incredibly consistent, he's 19 years old and now he's up to 5th overall in total points. Lock him in.
Shouldn't matter though: he doesn't miss games, he's incredibly consistent, he's 19 years old and now he's up to 5th overall in total points. Lock him in.
Sadly, I too am a Rowell owner and on my 'never again' list, but if he gets a new role, down in price on his ability and a candidate to be a Mid/Fwd next year, then I might take him off the 'never again' list, maybe.
Rd 20 Injury Report: Yze on Nank & Taranto injuries, Fly on Daicos rest - Honeyball
Posted on July 27, 2024 by Ben Somerford
Gold Coast coach Damien Hardwick discussed Matt Rowell’s game and role moving forward. He said: “What we will look to do with Matt to prolong him through the back-half of the year, we’ll start to explore a couple of other opportunities forward for him. He’s a capable ball-winner, capable goal-kicker, we just need another pre-season to refine that.”
Rd 20 Injury Report: Yze on Nank & Taranto injuries, Fly on Daicos rest - Honeyball
Posted on July 27, 2024 by Ben Somerford
Gold Coast coach Damien Hardwick discussed Matt Rowell’s game and role moving forward. He said: “What we will look to do with Matt to prolong him through the back-half of the year, we’ll start to explore a couple of other opportunities forward for him. He’s a capable ball-winner, capable goal-kicker, we just need another pre-season to refine that.”
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Same story almost every year I feel.
Not starting a guy who averaged 130 in the first 10 rounds essentially buried my year. Some argue it might've been dumb, some might say I got unlucky - who knows. Point being, if a guy is averaging 130 in a good role for the first 5 rounds or so, it's not the worst idea to jump on given how many trades are provided each year (and subsequently, seem to keep increasing). At some point, you can cut your losses, just like everyone else may have to by trading them.
Knee-jerk trades 3 rounds in are generally not the best idea either. I started both Young and Martin, who had horrific starts to the year 2 rounds in and I was convinced they were the players of old, despite them both being in great scoring roles. Safe to say, Martin was back into my team only a few rounds later. Not only did I move on Grundy too soon, but I also traded out Marshall after a rumoured knee injury and three sub-tons in a row. He then proceeded to bury me with a 150, 3 round average. Those extra trades would be sweet right now. Persist with guys who have good roles and at least, decent scoring history. There is a double-edged sword with this though - cull too soon and get bitten or cut your losses too late and now you've got a guy who has haemorrhaged $100k on the decline.
This year, tagging has come back in serious fashion. Every week, a new tagger is invented. Guys like Jack Graham, Cincotta, Bedford and now even Jye Menzie are running a tag role. Obviously you have your taggers that have been around for a while, but the risk is so real now that it will have to be a serious consideration in planning for next year.
Merrett, Serong, Anderson, Daicos, Neale, Rowell, Oliver are just to name a few who struggle big time when getting tagged. Without it, most of these guys are going 110+ every week. With new taggers being invented every week, it's going to be tough to plan for. Fixtures for next year might help, but this will be a tough one especially since it's directly related to VC/C options as well.
With all of that dribble out of my system, I'd consider next year with a few 'must-haves', such as Sheezel, Flanders and Xerri. All are rock-solid with great floors.
And generally, I'm going to avoid starting anyone over $700K. They always, always, come back down to Earth.
Not starting a guy who averaged 130 in the first 10 rounds essentially buried my year. Some argue it might've been dumb, some might say I got unlucky - who knows. Point being, if a guy is averaging 130 in a good role for the first 5 rounds or so, it's not the worst idea to jump on given how many trades are provided each year (and subsequently, seem to keep increasing). At some point, you can cut your losses, just like everyone else may have to by trading them.
Knee-jerk trades 3 rounds in are generally not the best idea either. I started both Young and Martin, who had horrific starts to the year 2 rounds in and I was convinced they were the players of old, despite them both being in great scoring roles. Safe to say, Martin was back into my team only a few rounds later. Not only did I move on Grundy too soon, but I also traded out Marshall after a rumoured knee injury and three sub-tons in a row. He then proceeded to bury me with a 150, 3 round average. Those extra trades would be sweet right now. Persist with guys who have good roles and at least, decent scoring history. There is a double-edged sword with this though - cull too soon and get bitten or cut your losses too late and now you've got a guy who has haemorrhaged $100k on the decline.
This year, tagging has come back in serious fashion. Every week, a new tagger is invented. Guys like Jack Graham, Cincotta, Bedford and now even Jye Menzie are running a tag role. Obviously you have your taggers that have been around for a while, but the risk is so real now that it will have to be a serious consideration in planning for next year.
Merrett, Serong, Anderson, Daicos, Neale, Rowell, Oliver are just to name a few who struggle big time when getting tagged. Without it, most of these guys are going 110+ every week. With new taggers being invented every week, it's going to be tough to plan for. Fixtures for next year might help, but this will be a tough one especially since it's directly related to VC/C options as well.
With all of that dribble out of my system, I'd consider next year with a few 'must-haves', such as Sheezel, Flanders and Xerri. All are rock-solid with great floors.
And generally, I'm going to avoid starting anyone over $700K. They always, always, come back down to Earth.
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I say this in most formats and whenever the term is uttered but best not to waste any time compiling “never again” lists since they serve no purpose and have no benefit whatsoever. Intentionally decreasing the talent pool due to poor decisions or being overly emotional, is not a wise decision and doesn’t address the issue given the same mistakes will be made in future seasons but each time they will have a different name.
Rowell potentially has 10 more years left of his career and in two, three, four, etc years time, is it best to hold this against him and force yourself into a lesser choice? The key takeaway is to use that time spent compiling never again lists, to set price ranges as a guide in which you are willing to purchase a player or a specific type of player. Inside midfielder that does not contribute anywhere else, should be limited to below $550,000 or whatever price range you feel that the risk starts to outweigh the reward.
Rowell potentially has 10 more years left of his career and in two, three, four, etc years time, is it best to hold this against him and force yourself into a lesser choice? The key takeaway is to use that time spent compiling never again lists, to set price ranges as a guide in which you are willing to purchase a player or a specific type of player. Inside midfielder that does not contribute anywhere else, should be limited to below $550,000 or whatever price range you feel that the risk starts to outweigh the reward.
Lots of good points there, re tagging, must consider the second midfielder as maybe a better option than the main mid. Did the tagging role only come about mid season, so could we consider the main player then be prepared to jump off, but definitely need to think holistically about your team, and not get the number 1 guy from every team who the oppo go to, to spread the risk.
Knee jerk trades, I started Young, Martin and Short (round 0 pick!), got rid of Short (to Ryan) and Young (to D’Ambriasio) so a win/loss result on those in round 2.
But definitely have learnt (for future reference) to hold rookies longer after this year! Too readily would I move them on when they were better than the alternative!
The early byes, tried to be too clever, and this was pre determined, but to trade Grundy on his bye to English/Marshall, but due to circumstances I went thru looping to ‘The Bont’, OK result, but a trade that could’ve been saved! Especially since the bont lost money straight after and Grundy found another level!
If the early byes happen again, not sure I’ll place as high a priority on them at the expense of trades!
Got a little trade happy along the way with the extra 4 trades and its costing me now!
Especially trading Sexton, McKercher and Fisher in after trading them all out from my starting team!
If the early byes are in play again, will go more mid pricer rather than top pricers to keep cash in hand to pay for the top liners who are scoring well.and hopefully get better scorers on field during the bye rounds.
Definitely will be looking at better value, price wise, instead of scoring potential, cash in hand is more important to my mind, and trades saved, including a boost post mid season byes, than buying the best and most expensive player.
Too many 1 week concussion or suspensions going to happen in the future now, we need a stronger more flexible squad to allow for this than rookie roulette we normally rely on.
Early thoughts.
Knee jerk trades, I started Young, Martin and Short (round 0 pick!), got rid of Short (to Ryan) and Young (to D’Ambriasio) so a win/loss result on those in round 2.
But definitely have learnt (for future reference) to hold rookies longer after this year! Too readily would I move them on when they were better than the alternative!
The early byes, tried to be too clever, and this was pre determined, but to trade Grundy on his bye to English/Marshall, but due to circumstances I went thru looping to ‘The Bont’, OK result, but a trade that could’ve been saved! Especially since the bont lost money straight after and Grundy found another level!
If the early byes happen again, not sure I’ll place as high a priority on them at the expense of trades!
Got a little trade happy along the way with the extra 4 trades and its costing me now!
Especially trading Sexton, McKercher and Fisher in after trading them all out from my starting team!
If the early byes are in play again, will go more mid pricer rather than top pricers to keep cash in hand to pay for the top liners who are scoring well.and hopefully get better scorers on field during the bye rounds.
Definitely will be looking at better value, price wise, instead of scoring potential, cash in hand is more important to my mind, and trades saved, including a boost post mid season byes, than buying the best and most expensive player.
Too many 1 week concussion or suspensions going to happen in the future now, we need a stronger more flexible squad to allow for this than rookie roulette we normally rely on.
Early thoughts.
SuperCoach AFL 2024: Latest DPP stats and likely 2025 position changes
Get an early look at likely position changes for next season, including some surprise names, with exclusive stats and analysis on 24 SuperCoach stars.
Al Paton and Tim Michell
As we count down the final rounds of the 2024 SuperCoach season, shrewd coaches are already looking ahead to 2025.
And a big factor in what teams look like next season will be position changes over summer.
It’s never too early to start your SuperCoach pre-season, so get an early jump on the competition with exclusive time in position stats for 24 SuperCoach stars heading into round 22 – remembering that 35 per cent of game time is the threshold for a player to be listed in any position, either as their primary position or as a DPP (and players can have a maximum of two positions).
All stats courtesy of Champion Data.
NEW DPP – LOCK THEM IN
SAM FLANDERS DEF/MID
DEF 51% MID 40% FWD 9%
Flanders has spent most of his full breakout season in defence, playing more than 50 per cent of time behind the ball. He played 92 per cent of games in defence from rounds 4-15 but has spent 85 per cent of game time as a centre bounce midfielder from round 16 on. The defensive line will be stacked in 2025 but it will be hard to go passed a player who scored 18 consecutive tons from rounds 0-20.
LIAM BAKER FWD/MID
MID 53% FWD 47%
Baker (DEF/FWD to FWD/MID) Baker has never truly threatened to break through as a SuperCoach premium – but that could change as an Eagle. Assuming he heads west, and with a shallow pool of true forward premiums likely to be available, coaches might need to consider Baker if he wins a role at half-back or as a full-time centre bounce midfielder for West Coast. But, that’s still to be seen with Baker yet to declare his intentions despite strong links to his home state.
NEW DPP - CROSS YOUR FINGERS
HARRY SHEEZEL DEF/MID
DEF 41%MID 34% FWD 25%
Sheezel has become the SuperCoach unicorn. He averaged 125 points a game in his first seven games playing defence and has averaged 114 points a game since switching to a mid-forward role. If Sheezel maintains his 107:14 mins per game average and does not play in defence over the next three rounds, he will still meet the 35 per cent threshold to be DPP next year, finishing with 35.2 per cent. That would make him a must-have for 2025.
TOM STEWART DEF/MID
DEF 70% MID 30%
Stewart’s transition to the centre square has been hailed as one of the great coaching moves of the year and helped him shake a series of stubborn tags from defensive forwards. It’s also given SuperCoaches hope of being able to pick the Cats star as a DPP in 2025. Stewart needs to play almost exclusively as a midfielder in the last three rounds to get DEF-MID status – but don’t rule it out. In the past month, he has been Geelong’s No.1 centre bounce midfielder.
TRENT RIVERS DEF/MID
DEF 70% MID 30%
The 23-year-old has been the main beneficiary of Christian Petracca’s season-ending injury, becoming one of Melbourne’s main onballers from round 15 onwards. We’ll need to see his role when Petracca returns before committing. But with Petracca likely to spend some time in attack to help fix Melbourne’s forward line woes, maybe Rivers can take the next step and become a true premium? He’s averaged 23 disposals and 5.7 marks a game playing in the middle this year.
MATTAES PHILLIPOU FWD/MID
DEF 2% MID 42% FWD 56%
You can all but lock him in, unless Ross Lyon has a change of heart in the next three rounds. After being on the outer at St Kilda for a large chunk of the season, Philippou has returned with three stellar games playing as one of the club’s main midfielders. That has pushed his on-ball percentage well above the 35 per cent required for DPP. He’d currently be priced at 56, too, although that average is rising every week as he showcases his talent in the engine room.
CALLUM MILLS MID/FWD
DEF 8% MID 62% FWD 30%
Remember how we spent years waiting for John Longmire to unleash Callum Mills as a midfielder? For the last three rounds of 2024, SuperCoaches will be hoping to see Mills deployed in attack. With Dayne Zorko, Sam Flanders and Jye Caldwell among the stars set to lose FWD eligibility, SuperCoaches badly need a surprise addition to the options for next year. At 30 per cent forward time, Mills is a chance – albeit a slim one.
LUKE PARKER MID/FWD
MID 67% FWD 33%
The veteran Swan will be a big watch in pre-season, but realistically only someone we turn to if we’re desperate for forward options (and he snares DPP). He’ll be 32 at the start of next year and there’s no guarantee week-to-week that he’s in Sydney’s best 22. He won’t come cheap, either.
KEEPING DPP – LOCK THEM IN
JACK SINCLAIR DEF/MID
DEF 58% MID 42%
Will be weird to see him start the year with DPP. We’re more accustomed to Ross Lyon starting him in defence, using Sinclair for 4-6 weeks in the middle and him then becoming DPP mid-year. The addition of MID status isn’t as important for a defender though, it’s more the other way around when a midfielder picks up DPP in either the forward line or defence.
MAX HOLMES DEF/MID
DEF 56% MID 43% FWD 1%
Wonder if next year is the one Holmes fully takes the leap from almost premium to full premium? He’s still only 21 years of age but has become one of the main men for the Cats, whether it’s dashing from defence or attending centre bounces. Holmes has spent the majority of the year in defence, but has done enough work through the middle to keep DPP status in 2025.
KEEPING DPP – CROSS YOUR FINGERS
Luke Jackson RUC/FWD
RUC 62% FWD 37%
Despite Sean Darcy playing seven of the past nine games, Jackson is teetering dangerously close to losing FWD status. He has played 37 per cent forward and if Darcy was to miss any of the remaining three games in 2024, it could spell the end of Jackson being a RUC-FWD in SuperCoach. Jackson is the fifth ranked forward for total points this season and the four above him on the list – Flanders, Zorko, Heeney and Caldwell – will lose forward DPP.
JYE CALDWELL MID/FWD
MID 69% FWD 31%
When it comes to SuperCoach, nothing hurts more than watching one of your breakout stars be so good that they lose DPP the next year. Think about when we had Zak Butters, Connor Rozee and Marcus Bontempelli as FWD-MIDs, and Caldwell is heading down the same path. He has been a difference maker for many SuperCoach teams with only one score below 83 since round 3 and six tons in his seven games to round 22. He still attended 67 per cent of centre bounces in round 21 with Darcy Parish back from injury.
LOSING DPP – LOCK THEM IN
ISAAC HEENEY MID
MID 87% FWD 13%
At least we got to enjoy Isaac as a genuine SuperCoach superstar in his last year as a FWD ... unless John Longmire sends him back to the forward line next year. He has stumbled a bit in recent weeks, along with most of his teammates, averaging 88 over his past five and being overtaken by Dayne Zorko as the No.2 forward for 2024 (behind Sam Flanders), but he’s still second on averages (115.3) and was a must-have in the first 10 rounds, blasting out of the blocks with a 144.2 average in the opening month of the season.
NICK DAICOS MID
DEF 10%MID 85% FWD 5%
It was inevitable Daicos would graduate to the midfield, and we have been blessed with three years of premium-level scoring in defence. Easy to forget he’s still only 21. Will be high in consideration as a starting pick in the midfield in 2025. Until then, it’s a three-way fight for this year’s No.1 defender with just 28 points separating Harry Sheezel, Luke Ryan and Daicos with three rounds to play.
DAYNE ZORKO DEF
DEF 88% MID 4% FWD 8%
It took most coaches a while to catch on that Zorko was an elite defender this year after a surprise switch to half-back paid off in a huge way. At round 9 he still featured in just 15,000 of SuperCoach teams – he’s now in more than 85,000. We couldn’t pick him next season at age 36 and with a history of soft-tissue injuries, could we? He has played 20 of 21 possible games this year and averaged 110 – and is coming home strong (three-round average 121).
HAYDEN YOUNG MID
DEF 1% MID 92% FWD 15%
The Phantom talked him up in the pre-season and now says he’ll pick him again in 2025 when he’s MID only. The former half-back moved into the midfield in the final month of 2023 and has really found his groove in the new role, with his laser left-foot kicks inside 50 setting up the Dockers for a shot at the top four. Has scored 109 or higher in his past five games and won’t be going back to defence.
Get an early look at likely position changes for next season, including some surprise names, with exclusive stats and analysis on 24 SuperCoach stars.
Al Paton and Tim Michell
As we count down the final rounds of the 2024 SuperCoach season, shrewd coaches are already looking ahead to 2025.
And a big factor in what teams look like next season will be position changes over summer.
It’s never too early to start your SuperCoach pre-season, so get an early jump on the competition with exclusive time in position stats for 24 SuperCoach stars heading into round 22 – remembering that 35 per cent of game time is the threshold for a player to be listed in any position, either as their primary position or as a DPP (and players can have a maximum of two positions).
All stats courtesy of Champion Data.
NEW DPP – LOCK THEM IN
SAM FLANDERS DEF/MID
DEF 51% MID 40% FWD 9%
Flanders has spent most of his full breakout season in defence, playing more than 50 per cent of time behind the ball. He played 92 per cent of games in defence from rounds 4-15 but has spent 85 per cent of game time as a centre bounce midfielder from round 16 on. The defensive line will be stacked in 2025 but it will be hard to go passed a player who scored 18 consecutive tons from rounds 0-20.
LIAM BAKER FWD/MID
MID 53% FWD 47%
Baker (DEF/FWD to FWD/MID) Baker has never truly threatened to break through as a SuperCoach premium – but that could change as an Eagle. Assuming he heads west, and with a shallow pool of true forward premiums likely to be available, coaches might need to consider Baker if he wins a role at half-back or as a full-time centre bounce midfielder for West Coast. But, that’s still to be seen with Baker yet to declare his intentions despite strong links to his home state.
NEW DPP - CROSS YOUR FINGERS
HARRY SHEEZEL DEF/MID
DEF 41%MID 34% FWD 25%
Sheezel has become the SuperCoach unicorn. He averaged 125 points a game in his first seven games playing defence and has averaged 114 points a game since switching to a mid-forward role. If Sheezel maintains his 107:14 mins per game average and does not play in defence over the next three rounds, he will still meet the 35 per cent threshold to be DPP next year, finishing with 35.2 per cent. That would make him a must-have for 2025.
TOM STEWART DEF/MID
DEF 70% MID 30%
Stewart’s transition to the centre square has been hailed as one of the great coaching moves of the year and helped him shake a series of stubborn tags from defensive forwards. It’s also given SuperCoaches hope of being able to pick the Cats star as a DPP in 2025. Stewart needs to play almost exclusively as a midfielder in the last three rounds to get DEF-MID status – but don’t rule it out. In the past month, he has been Geelong’s No.1 centre bounce midfielder.
TRENT RIVERS DEF/MID
DEF 70% MID 30%
The 23-year-old has been the main beneficiary of Christian Petracca’s season-ending injury, becoming one of Melbourne’s main onballers from round 15 onwards. We’ll need to see his role when Petracca returns before committing. But with Petracca likely to spend some time in attack to help fix Melbourne’s forward line woes, maybe Rivers can take the next step and become a true premium? He’s averaged 23 disposals and 5.7 marks a game playing in the middle this year.
MATTAES PHILLIPOU FWD/MID
DEF 2% MID 42% FWD 56%
You can all but lock him in, unless Ross Lyon has a change of heart in the next three rounds. After being on the outer at St Kilda for a large chunk of the season, Philippou has returned with three stellar games playing as one of the club’s main midfielders. That has pushed his on-ball percentage well above the 35 per cent required for DPP. He’d currently be priced at 56, too, although that average is rising every week as he showcases his talent in the engine room.
CALLUM MILLS MID/FWD
DEF 8% MID 62% FWD 30%
Remember how we spent years waiting for John Longmire to unleash Callum Mills as a midfielder? For the last three rounds of 2024, SuperCoaches will be hoping to see Mills deployed in attack. With Dayne Zorko, Sam Flanders and Jye Caldwell among the stars set to lose FWD eligibility, SuperCoaches badly need a surprise addition to the options for next year. At 30 per cent forward time, Mills is a chance – albeit a slim one.
LUKE PARKER MID/FWD
MID 67% FWD 33%
The veteran Swan will be a big watch in pre-season, but realistically only someone we turn to if we’re desperate for forward options (and he snares DPP). He’ll be 32 at the start of next year and there’s no guarantee week-to-week that he’s in Sydney’s best 22. He won’t come cheap, either.
KEEPING DPP – LOCK THEM IN
JACK SINCLAIR DEF/MID
DEF 58% MID 42%
Will be weird to see him start the year with DPP. We’re more accustomed to Ross Lyon starting him in defence, using Sinclair for 4-6 weeks in the middle and him then becoming DPP mid-year. The addition of MID status isn’t as important for a defender though, it’s more the other way around when a midfielder picks up DPP in either the forward line or defence.
MAX HOLMES DEF/MID
DEF 56% MID 43% FWD 1%
Wonder if next year is the one Holmes fully takes the leap from almost premium to full premium? He’s still only 21 years of age but has become one of the main men for the Cats, whether it’s dashing from defence or attending centre bounces. Holmes has spent the majority of the year in defence, but has done enough work through the middle to keep DPP status in 2025.
KEEPING DPP – CROSS YOUR FINGERS
Luke Jackson RUC/FWD
RUC 62% FWD 37%
Despite Sean Darcy playing seven of the past nine games, Jackson is teetering dangerously close to losing FWD status. He has played 37 per cent forward and if Darcy was to miss any of the remaining three games in 2024, it could spell the end of Jackson being a RUC-FWD in SuperCoach. Jackson is the fifth ranked forward for total points this season and the four above him on the list – Flanders, Zorko, Heeney and Caldwell – will lose forward DPP.
JYE CALDWELL MID/FWD
MID 69% FWD 31%
When it comes to SuperCoach, nothing hurts more than watching one of your breakout stars be so good that they lose DPP the next year. Think about when we had Zak Butters, Connor Rozee and Marcus Bontempelli as FWD-MIDs, and Caldwell is heading down the same path. He has been a difference maker for many SuperCoach teams with only one score below 83 since round 3 and six tons in his seven games to round 22. He still attended 67 per cent of centre bounces in round 21 with Darcy Parish back from injury.
LOSING DPP – LOCK THEM IN
ISAAC HEENEY MID
MID 87% FWD 13%
At least we got to enjoy Isaac as a genuine SuperCoach superstar in his last year as a FWD ... unless John Longmire sends him back to the forward line next year. He has stumbled a bit in recent weeks, along with most of his teammates, averaging 88 over his past five and being overtaken by Dayne Zorko as the No.2 forward for 2024 (behind Sam Flanders), but he’s still second on averages (115.3) and was a must-have in the first 10 rounds, blasting out of the blocks with a 144.2 average in the opening month of the season.
NICK DAICOS MID
DEF 10%MID 85% FWD 5%
It was inevitable Daicos would graduate to the midfield, and we have been blessed with three years of premium-level scoring in defence. Easy to forget he’s still only 21. Will be high in consideration as a starting pick in the midfield in 2025. Until then, it’s a three-way fight for this year’s No.1 defender with just 28 points separating Harry Sheezel, Luke Ryan and Daicos with three rounds to play.
DAYNE ZORKO DEF
DEF 88% MID 4% FWD 8%
It took most coaches a while to catch on that Zorko was an elite defender this year after a surprise switch to half-back paid off in a huge way. At round 9 he still featured in just 15,000 of SuperCoach teams – he’s now in more than 85,000. We couldn’t pick him next season at age 36 and with a history of soft-tissue injuries, could we? He has played 20 of 21 possible games this year and averaged 110 – and is coming home strong (three-round average 121).
HAYDEN YOUNG MID
DEF 1% MID 92% FWD 15%
The Phantom talked him up in the pre-season and now says he’ll pick him again in 2025 when he’s MID only. The former half-back moved into the midfield in the final month of 2023 and has really found his groove in the new role, with his laser left-foot kicks inside 50 setting up the Dockers for a shot at the top four. Has scored 109 or higher in his past five games and won’t be going back to defence.
NIC MARTIN DEF
DEF 76% MID9% FWD 15%
Has frustrated his owners at times but finds ways to impact games – bobbing up to kick two crucial last-quarter goals in round 21 is exhibit A – and ranks eighth for total points in defence this year with a 102.7 average. That’s a handy return for a player who started the year priced under $500k. But he’s unlikely to present the same value as a DEF only in 2025, and there will be no shortage of options to pick from down back.
COLBY McKERCHER DEF
DEF 85% MID 11% FWD 4%
Speaking of a stacked defence, McKercher is another name we’ll have to consider when picking a backline in 2025. At least he’ll be a bit cheaper than the top-liners, and we know he can score when he plays across half-back. The No.2 draft pick has the talent to produce a brilliant second season in the mould of Daicos or Sheezel, but will he follow Harry into the Kangaroos midfield?
ED RICHARDS MID
DEF 29% MID 55% FWD 16%
A surprise magnet move by Luke Beveridge that has paid off for the Bulldogs and the 6000 SuperCoaches who took the punt on him (excluding last weekend’s disappointing 64 point return). His defence percentage is headed in the wrong direction for him to be any hope of maintaining DEF/MID eligibility.
TOM POWELL MID
DEF 11% MID 66% FWD 23%
Powell has been thrown all over the field by Alastair Clarkson – a week ago he was at zero centre bounces and playing across half-back, then against Richmond he had 10 CBAs, and also found time to take two kick-ins. It’s been a rollercoaster, and one we won’t have to ride when he is a MID only next season.
ELLIOT YEO MID
MID 99% FWD 1%
Was listed as a DEF/MID to start the season but hasn’t spent any time behind the ball. What he has produced is a remarkable 107 average, matching his numbers in the Eagles’ premiership year. If you were told before round 1 he would miss only three games to this point you would count that as a win, but he turns 31 in October and surely the risk is too great to go there in 2025.
HARLEY REID MID
MID 82% FWD 18%
More than 130,000 coaches started with Reid in 2024, mostly in the forward line. He’ll be a huge POD next year as a MID only, probably priced around the $400k range. We’ve seen the talent and he’ll be the Eagles’ No.1 man in the middle.
ZAC FISHER DEF
DEF 100%
Remember when Fisher had 36 disposals against St Kilda in a pre-season game? It forecast a new role for the former Blues half-forward that has occasionally delivered premium-level SuperCoach scoring – notably in a five-game stretch from round 9 when he averaged 117 – but has been frustrating as well. With no DPP he’s unlikely to come into consideration in 2025, regardless of any big pre-season numbers.
MASSIMO D'AMBROSIO MID
DEF 11% MID 86% FWD 3%
What a pick-up by the Hawks. D’Ambrosio moved to the Hawks in exchange for pick 61 last year and a fourth-rounder this year, and he has gone on to play 19 games on a wing and make almost $200k in SuperCoach. He was well worth the $224k investment, hopefully we find someone of similar value who turns out this well next season.
DEF 76% MID9% FWD 15%
Has frustrated his owners at times but finds ways to impact games – bobbing up to kick two crucial last-quarter goals in round 21 is exhibit A – and ranks eighth for total points in defence this year with a 102.7 average. That’s a handy return for a player who started the year priced under $500k. But he’s unlikely to present the same value as a DEF only in 2025, and there will be no shortage of options to pick from down back.
COLBY McKERCHER DEF
DEF 85% MID 11% FWD 4%
Speaking of a stacked defence, McKercher is another name we’ll have to consider when picking a backline in 2025. At least he’ll be a bit cheaper than the top-liners, and we know he can score when he plays across half-back. The No.2 draft pick has the talent to produce a brilliant second season in the mould of Daicos or Sheezel, but will he follow Harry into the Kangaroos midfield?
ED RICHARDS MID
DEF 29% MID 55% FWD 16%
A surprise magnet move by Luke Beveridge that has paid off for the Bulldogs and the 6000 SuperCoaches who took the punt on him (excluding last weekend’s disappointing 64 point return). His defence percentage is headed in the wrong direction for him to be any hope of maintaining DEF/MID eligibility.
TOM POWELL MID
DEF 11% MID 66% FWD 23%
Powell has been thrown all over the field by Alastair Clarkson – a week ago he was at zero centre bounces and playing across half-back, then against Richmond he had 10 CBAs, and also found time to take two kick-ins. It’s been a rollercoaster, and one we won’t have to ride when he is a MID only next season.
ELLIOT YEO MID
MID 99% FWD 1%
Was listed as a DEF/MID to start the season but hasn’t spent any time behind the ball. What he has produced is a remarkable 107 average, matching his numbers in the Eagles’ premiership year. If you were told before round 1 he would miss only three games to this point you would count that as a win, but he turns 31 in October and surely the risk is too great to go there in 2025.
HARLEY REID MID
MID 82% FWD 18%
More than 130,000 coaches started with Reid in 2024, mostly in the forward line. He’ll be a huge POD next year as a MID only, probably priced around the $400k range. We’ve seen the talent and he’ll be the Eagles’ No.1 man in the middle.
ZAC FISHER DEF
DEF 100%
Remember when Fisher had 36 disposals against St Kilda in a pre-season game? It forecast a new role for the former Blues half-forward that has occasionally delivered premium-level SuperCoach scoring – notably in a five-game stretch from round 9 when he averaged 117 – but has been frustrating as well. With no DPP he’s unlikely to come into consideration in 2025, regardless of any big pre-season numbers.
MASSIMO D'AMBROSIO MID
DEF 11% MID 86% FWD 3%
What a pick-up by the Hawks. D’Ambrosio moved to the Hawks in exchange for pick 61 last year and a fourth-rounder this year, and he has gone on to play 19 games on a wing and make almost $200k in SuperCoach. He was well worth the $224k investment, hopefully we find someone of similar value who turns out this well next season.
