Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion

[Herbie66]

Based on Top 20 prices for D & M , Top 10 for R on teams ONLY with the Bye during Round 12 - 16 available premiums :-

Round 12

D : Sheezel , Newman (out for the season) , Dale

M: Bontempelli , Butters , Treloar (missing the start) , Cripps , Davies-Uniacke , Walsh

R: Xerri , English , de Koning

Round 13

D: Ryan , Sinclair * , Clark , Wanganeen-Milera

M: Serong , Sinclair * , Brayshaw , Steele

R: Marshall

Round 14

R: Nankervis

Round 15

D: McGovern , Hinge

M: Crouch

R: Gawn

 

[JoongaJack]

Following up on this part of your post AJ..
+++ Exactly how many mid pricers do you expect to break out by 20+ PPG? The number that will do it is pretty small and not only that, some of those that do aren't on our radars at the moment. Others might not do it till late season. So while I have 11 on my list at the moment, I might expect only 4 or 5 to be useful to us early. +++

This is a list of players as at round 8 last year.
Players to be eligible, had to have
* played 5 games or more
* starting price $250 - $450K
* exceeded their starting value by 18 ppg (Free col)

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@warewolves Howd this play out for you last year and the year before? you obviously picked a lot of value here and you seem to be onto a similar path this year and i agree with alot of your selections. very interested to know your early season ranking and of course cash gen?

 

[Singapore Flyers]

Had a better look at my structure today taking into account the Round 12-16 Byes

Hopefully a better balance , could all come down to how viable Flynn is

Still liking the 8-8-7 starting setup depending on the rookie priced players

D: Sheezel , Sinclair * , Clark , Mills

M: Serong , Cripps , Brayshaw , Davies-Uniacke , Oliver , Peatling

R: Gawn , Flynn / Reid *

F: Macrae , Smith * , Parker * , Daniel , Lynch , Powell-Pepper

Flex : Boyd

no idea when/who I will be downgrading/upgrading in the Round 5 to 11 period

As a suggestion, look at R16 players as potential targets. At the moment you only have 1 player from R16. I think there’s some pretty relevant players to start with.

 

[Chumpion]

Thank you, this is interesting.

Is it right to say that you can maintain maximum flexibility if you do all your trades through the flex position?

Ie switch any player you’re planning to trade out to flex first, and then move them back where you want them after the trade is executed?

I haven’t tried in multiple times within the same round but I think that would work.. something to try out the first week of making multiple trades but I think because the game sees it as updating the flex spot you would gain the ability for all trades you are updating!

 

[Herbie66]

As a suggestion, look at R16 players as potential targets. At the moment you only have 1 player from R16. I think there’s some pretty relevant players to start with.

Trying hard not to start premiums with the early Bye (still don't know whether that's right or wrong , seems bizarre that we exclude a player(s) completely because they have 2 byes to 1 in a extremely long season.

Was keen on Ridley until his injury issue.

Not sure on Whitfield , Zorko & Martin.

Stewart and Holmes will be of interest.

Neale , Merrett , Dunkley will be their abouts again.

Can Green get to 110-115 ? 😱

I guess the end of the day we can't start everyone so need to balance it out as best we can

 

[Rowsus]

I don't do BBL but I'm going to assume they hadn't added the feature that's new this year and you no longer need to use the zero trade exploit to achieve it.

As I said, highly recommend throwing a D/F, M/F and D/M into your draft team now and playing around. You can literally switch a D/M into the forwards temporarily if you've got a D/F in the back line.

The flex itself is definitely a bit clunkier and doesn't work well in this regard though, you can only move the FLEX itself back into the eligible positions they have but you can quickly move them to other spots once that's achieved.

This is one of the signature new features in SC and it's pretty powerful and something worth having a full grasp on before teams are locked in round 1 so that you can trade into and use in the future, assuming no D/F starting pick is available which looks likely right now. They haven't made it as intuitive as they should have but after years of asking for it they've finally at least done it and stopped having to use exploits to achieve it.

I've played with multi switch a few times, pretty easy to get used to.
I can't see how you're getting a D/M in your Fwd line though.
Can you take us through an example of that?

 

[Darkie]

I haven’t tried in multiple times within the same round but I think that would work.. something to try out the first week of making multiple trades but I think because the game sees it as updating the flex spot you would gain the ability for all trades you are updating!

Thank you - sounds like it’s worth a try, and potentially worth making a habit of if it works as I’m currently thinking.

 

[Herbie66]

So with thanks to @jel end of season table from last season showing the players that made $ 150k profit , these were the averages of the rookie priced players

* Indicates starting price > $ 150k

Sweet * 88.8
McKercher * 88.5
Moyle * 85.8 (8 games)
Roberts , M * 80.7
Reid , H * 80.6
Burgoyne * 80.0

Darcy , S 79.3
Humphries 77.9 (9 games)
Dempsey 75.7
Mannagh 75.2 (10 games)
Sexton 74.6
Uwland 73.0
Lohmann * 70.5
Sharp 70.0

Clohesy 69.7
Evans 68.9 (10 games)
Freijah 68.8
Garcia , R 68.4
Dowling 66.8 (9 games)
Watson * 65.5
Wilson 65.3
Jones 65.2
Graham 63.4
McNeil * 61.6

Windsor * 59.6
Aleer 59.4 (8 games)
Howes 58.1
Lefau 54.3 (10 games)
Morris 53.7
Dear 51.2

Draper 49.7

 

[Singapore Flyers]

Trying hard not to start premiums with the early Bye (still don't know whether that's right or wrong , seems bizarre that we exclude a player(s) completely because they have 2 byes to 1 in a extremely long season.

Was keen on Ridley until his injury issue.

Not sure on Whitfield , Zorko & Martin.

Stewart and Holmes will be of interest.

Neale , Merrett , Dunkley will be their abouts again.

Can Green get to 110-115 ? 😱

I guess the end of the day we can't start everyone so need to balance it out as best we can

Hi Herbie. We might be at cross wires! I thought you were asking which players to target between r5-11, so I was suggesting an emphasis on R16 players because you will only be starting with one.

 

[Connoisseur]

Trying hard not to start premiums with the early Bye (still don't know whether that's right or wrong , seems bizarre that we exclude a player(s) completely because they have 2 byes to 1 in a extremely long season.

And will provide a great opportunity to exploit once again.

 

[Herbie66]

Hi Herbie. We might be at cross wires! I thought you were asking which players to target between r5-11, so I was suggesting an emphasis on R16 players because you will only be starting with one.

ok that makes more sense

will make a wish list of preferred trade in targets closer to the season starts then see how it all pans out up to Round 4.

 

[wogitalia]

As a suggestion, look at R16 players as potential targets. At the moment you only have 1 player from R16. I think there’s some pretty relevant players to start with.

The problem is they're all round 0 guys. Will definitely be targeting them hard as the upgrade targets to try and balance byes but they need to be exceptional picks to justify taking as starting choices. Right now the only two that I've had in a draft are Mills and Smith. Stewart and Holmes are probably the next ones on my list, do hate that all 4 of those are in the same early bye though just to make it even harder to pick them. The first one in a bye is roughly 60 points lost, if you had 3 you're probably losing 70 or 80 on that player.

I've played with multi switch a few times, pretty easy to get used to.
I can't see how you're getting a D/M in your Fwd line though.
Can you take us through an example of that?

I assume they've tested it in BBL as it's new this season for AFL and they didn't have it in any of the RDT products I've done (NFL or NBA) since AFL season.

So for example:

I have Bo Allan (D/M) in the mids. I can switch him with Bailey Smith (F/M) who is in the forwards because I have Cooper Bell (D/F) in defense.

The end result is Allan in DEF, Smith in MID and Bell in FWD but last year to achieve this swing you'd have to use the trade interface rather than just the substitution interface. This was particularly brutal if you traded for players with early games in the round and needed it later as you couldn't use the zero trade exploit to achieve it as you were locked out of the trade interface. Obviously you were also out of luck once you were out of trades as also locked out of trade interface. So it's a huge change for those factors.

Probably most relevant if people go with a R/F at R3 early in the season as none of the D/F that I can see are relevant right now. Sheezel is probably the guy most likely to get D/F of relevant players at round 6 given he'd have likely gotten it to start the season with another game last year, still actually really shocked he didn't get it given how much he played forward last year. Maybe Tauru or Paton could pop up as starting picks. Sadly both Maric and Daniel already start as F/M so neither will pick up back even if playing expected roles.

 

[wogitalia]

Trying hard not to start premiums with the early Bye (still don't know whether that's right or wrong , seems bizarre that we exclude a player(s) completely because they have 2 byes to 1 in a extremely long season.

Was keen on Ridley until his injury issue.

Not sure on Whitfield , Zorko & Martin.

Stewart and Holmes will be of interest.

Neale , Merrett , Dunkley will be their abouts again.

Can Green get to 110-115 ? 😱

I guess the end of the day we can't start everyone so need to balance it out as best we can

Definitely shouldn't be excluding them completely.

It's just something that should be included in your calculations. Whether you use 30 or 100 or somewhere in between, that early bye costs points so you would only pick those guys if you think they're either that much better than similarly priced options or they're underpriced enough that they make that up anyway.

Mills for example is 50 points underpriced on his best season. If he returned to that you could well be ahead after the first game depending on your threshold for the cost of the bye. Almost certainly be ahead after two games. Heeney or Flanders last year were both perfect examples of guys that were worth picking despite the bye. On the flip side if you take Neale instead of Butters and they both produce fair value, you're going to be behind by the difference in his bye, call it 50 points.

Realistically, if you don't think the guys are 15 odd points underpriced, I'd question why you'd start them against the non-bye options, if you want Merrett and think he's fairly priced, you can get him post bye for a similar price and not have to field an extra rookie.

 

[Rowsus]

So for example:

I have Bo Allan (D/M) in the mids. I can switch him with Bailey Smith (F/M) who is in the forwards because I have Cooper Bell (D/F) in defense.

The end result is Allan in DEF, Smith in MID and Bell in FWD but last year to achieve this swing you'd have to use the trade interface rather than just the substitution interface. This was particularly brutal if you traded for players with early games in the round and needed it later as you couldn't use the zero trade exploit to achieve it as you were locked out of the trade interface. Obviously you were also out of luck once you were out of trades as also locked out of trade interface. So it's a huge change for those factors.

Thanks for the reply.
As I see it, that is just a basic multi switch, which while it wasn't available last season, it doesn't put a D/M in your Fwd line.
You are just rolling the 3 of them to their alternative position, which is what a multi switch is.
You really aren't switching a D/M with a M/F currently in your Fwd line, you are switching all 3 players at once.

What threw me was this:

As I said, highly recommend throwing a D/F, M/F and D/M into your draft team now and playing around. You can literally switch a D/M into the forwards temporarily if you've got a D/F in the back line.

It's just allowing you to set those players in a different combination of the 3 if they all are to move.
Basically, they start off as:
Bell (Def), Allan (Mid), Smith (Fwd)
and rearranged them into the only other combination possible, if all 3 of them move positions:
Bell (Fwd), Allan (Def), Smith (Mid).
This in a nutshell is what the multi switch is.

 

[Chumpion]

Thank you - sounds like it’s worth a try, and potentially worth making a habit of if it works as I’m currently thinking.

Agreed! Doesn’t really cost you anything to swap
A player to flex before trading but if it avoids some late round issues updating a trade even once it’s worth it.
Worth noting though it might be tricky with the 3 on field ruck strategy but should still work with the right DPPs.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Well done, one of the best sides I have seen - we have many players in common lol

No need to change anything till preseason games 👍

Cheers mate appreciate the feedback guys 👍

 

[BC]

Hi all. Few players on the watch list here in for now that may or may not hold their spots.
Keeping a close eye on Parker.
Love the Sheez as a player but really.not sure I want to pay this much on him. Surely gets more attention this year. Defensive selection at the point as it seems he'll be highly owned.
Cheers

 

[Herbie66]

Definitely shouldn't be excluding them completely.

It's just something that should be included in your calculations. Whether you use 30 or 100 or somewhere in between, that early bye costs points so you would only pick those guys if you think they're either that much better than similarly priced options or they're underpriced enough that they make that up anyway.

Mills for example is 50 points underpriced on his best season. If he returned to that you could well be ahead after the first game depending on your threshold for the cost of the bye. Almost certainly be ahead after two games. Heeney or Flanders last year were both perfect examples of guys that were worth picking despite the bye. On the flip side if you take Neale instead of Butters and they both produce fair value, you're going to be behind by the difference in his bye, call it 50 points.

Realistically, if you don't think the guys are 15 odd points underpriced, I'd question why you'd start them against the non-bye options, if you want Merrett and think he's fairly priced, you can get him post bye for a similar price and not have to field an extra rookie.

Ridley , Holmes & Stewart were 3 I was thinking about to see if they are significantly underpriced or not.

Ridley still had his highest average last season and is still a fair way off from that 110 ave (maybe 105 is more realistic) that might be needed in D this season.

Preseason injury hiccup.

Natural improvement for Holmes , but does he get to that same figure ? (Will need to go back through the years and see what Geelong mids were averaging)

Will teams put more and more time into Stewart so maybe 110 is not viable for him.

I guess like everyone I will be starting Mills & Smith so will "lose" points when they are on their early Bye , still waiting confirmation for Coleman.

If SDK shows signs of rucking early he is another one I will be looking at starting.

Although theoretically if they are underpriced to start with we are "gaining" points compared to $$$ spent.

Throw in a few more early Bye premiums and you could suddenly be 75-150 points behind the front runners.

Just wait until after their early Bye and trade them in the same time as everyone else does and you don't get any advantage.

Playing around with a 8-8-Lynch & SPP as my theoretically Best 18 starting side (possibly can add Kiddy or SDK depending on final rookie cost) for the early Byes so will be relying on my 19th/20th player as cover (fingers crossed one of them could be Boyd if he is rucking)

Just waiting , waiting , waiting now

 

[Herbie66]

Sheldrick $ 161,700.00

2022 - 43 , unused sub

2023 - 11 (subbed off) , 9 (subbed on) , 61 , 91 , 93 , 102 , 53

2024 - DNP

 

[Professor]

ok time to show my face and pods, this is where I'm at.