Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion

[Herbie66]

Have to admit, I'm warming to Trent Rivers.
Talk is of more mid time this year.
The 2 games last year with his most CBA's were.
Round 15. 80% CBA's - Supercoach score - 131
Round 17. 83% CBA's - Supercoach score - 143

If it happens to go pear shaped, he's an easy flip to Matty Roberts after his early bye.

How many of those points are directly from the CB ? 😉

Been waiting years for this stat

Gawn - > Oliver/Viney clean take away - > what happened next ?

The 4th player (Rivers 🤔) may not have even been involved until the next stoppage

131 v North Melbourne
143 v West Coast Eagles

Scored 113 v Collingwood in Round 13 , the game Petracca got injured in.

So did his move coincide with Petracca's injury ?

Probably need to dig up the CBA stats to see the breakdown of Oliver , Petracca , Viney + ? and then how it changed

Attendance is one thing , but they need to start showing the direct involvement stats as well.

Plenty of teams play a "cooler" @ CBA's and they have little/no interest in winning the ball.

The other things is if the opposition win a "clean" CB clearance the 4 players from the other team do nothing at all @ the centre bounce.

 

[Shannon]

I have been looking at Rivers also, here are the CBA numbers from last year :-



All his scores from round 15 to 24 :



The concerns are the round 16 & 22 scores despite getting high CBA numbers - seem to recall he had a lot of clangers in the round 22 game v Port, not sure what happened round 16.

 

[Singapore Flyers]

Momentum in a community is real. The Rivers train is certainly gaining momentum. Duggan from West Coast is also getting more mid time. They are almost the same price with very similar upsides. But we are not talking Duggan at all. I am not suggesting either are a good or bad pick. Just an observation on the influence of momentum when we all share our thoughts. when we feel like we are faced with a sea of pretty average choices, there is comfort in the suggestions of other like-minded coaches.

 

[Shannon]

Momentum in a community is real. The Rivers train is certainly gaining momentum. Duggan from West Coast is also getting more mid time. They are almost the same price with very similar upsides. But we are not talking Duggan at all. I am not suggesting either are a good or bad pick. Just an observation on the influence of momentum when we all share our thoughts. when we feel like we are faced with a sea of pretty average choices, there is comfort in the suggestions of other like-minded coaches.

Might be a bit surprising but I am not a fan of Duggan in the middle - personally feel he lacks composure in there/ rushed which in turn causes him to miss targets/clangers. Also feel he is a bit slow & can be exposed by the opposition, prefer him playing at half back myself.

 

[Herbie66]

If only they included direct Fantasy points

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-13/unpacking-the-mysteries-of-afl-centre-bounces/103700434

 

[FlatTrackBully]

I really don’t get the hype around Rivers, if someone could sell me on the pick I’d appreciate it cause more than likely I’ll have to pick a defender around that price point.

Basically had the whole midfield to himself last year and was only putting up 90s, with Petracca and a fit Oliver back I don’t see how he can at least increase the mid time he was getting and whether these two help or inhibit his scoring.

Further to this his two best scores after r15 when he went into the midfield were against WC and North. Against top 11 teams he averaged 80.3

 

[Shannon]

I really don’t get the hype around Rivers, if someone could sell me on the pick I’d appreciate it cause more than likely I’ll have to pick a defender around that price point.

Basically had the whole midfield to himself last year and was only putting up 90s, with Petracca and a fit Oliver back I don’t see how he can at least increase the mid time he was getting and whether these two help or inhibit his scoring.

Further to this his two best scores after r15 when he went into the midfield were against WC and North. Against top 11 teams he averaged 80.3

Must admit I am cooling on him the more I look into him now, few more question marks surrounding him than I initially thought tbh

 

[warewolves]

Must admit I am cooling on him the more I look into him now, few more question marks surrounding him than I initially thought tbh

My squad is pretty fluid at the moment and I am confident that there will be quite a few changes as we get more info closer to R1.
I have Rivers in for now & as things stand he's "safe".
A DEF p[laying as a full-time MID is usually a v. good SC option
The other thing I like is his 'type'
Rivers is aged 23 and he's got a bit size at 188cms.

 

[7/11]

Have to admit, I'm warming to Trent Rivers.
Talk is of more mid time this year.
The 2 games last year with his most CBA's were.
Round 15. 80% CBA's - Supercoach score - 131
Round 17. 83% CBA's - Supercoach score - 143

If it happens to go pear shaped, he's an easy flip to Matty Roberts after his early bye.

Those two scores have something in common. No Petracca in the CBA mix and an unfit Oliver playing under 100 minutes.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Good discussion on Rivers. Definitely a polarising sort of pick.

What I will say though is that it’s unlikely that Petracca plays anywhere near the sort of midfield minutes that he’s played in recent years. We all know what happened last season and he is yet to join full training yet following the new rib injury sustained this pre-season. He is just such a weapon up forward too.

If I was to guess the starting three in the middle for round 1, it would be Viney, Oliver and Rivers.

 

[warewolves]

Good discussion on Rivers. Definitely a polarising sort of pick.

What I will say though is that it’s unlikely that Petracca plays anywhere near the sort of midfield minutes that he’s played in recent years. We all know what happened last season and he is yet to join full training yet following the new rib injury sustained this pre-season. He is just such a weapon up forward too.

If I was to guess the starting three in the middle for round 1, it would be Viney, Oliver and Rivers.

I think you’re right @Ben’s Beasts I also had that in mind when picking Rivers.
Petracca could well spent most of his time forward early in the season.. that Dees forward line looks a bit shaky and Trac could be needed there way more than he is in the mids

 

[BIGB0Y]

Good discussion on Rivers. Definitely a polarising sort of pick.

What I will say though is that it’s unlikely that Petracca plays anywhere near the sort of midfield minutes that he’s played in recent years. We all know what happened last season and he is yet to join full training yet following the new rib injury sustained this pre-season. He is just such a weapon up forward too.

If I was to guess the starting three in the middle for round 1, it would be Viney, Oliver and Rivers.

Have you got rivers in your team atm?

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Have you got rivers in your team atm?

He’s been in and out. I think I will end up with either him or McKercher, probably not both.

 

[FlatTrackBully]

Those two scores have something in common. No Petracca in the CBA mix and an unfit Oliver playing under 100 minutes.

They were against bottom 4 sides as well.

 

[freowho]

The change to the kick in rules and the stupid stand rule upped the bar for defenders in supercoach. Just moving to the midfield isn't enough anymore. They have to be pretty good midfielders.

 

[BlufBlufShuv]

Trac still in the mix for me. Sounds like there is a chance he gets early DPP and if fit gets more midfield minutes as the season progresses. Probable F1 at $550k or so is good, obviously still a lot to play out before r 1.

 

[Under The Dome]

Re: Discussion above
It's 19k more from JHF to Petracca. If they get same split who do you see averaging more?

 

[aj74]

He put up his current team on Swordplay with only Bont and Xerri above 600k and doesn't look at mid season byes. He only carried 5 players through the season that played with Livingstone as the 6th.

Hold up.... so he effectively started with 5 keepers then?

Even if he started with 11 players priced as keepers, he only needed the 5, considering the others were all traded. Not only was he able to build a squad capable of striking at first in the final rounds (and succeeding) he was able to save trades for that final run too

That makes for some serious food for thought!

 

[Under The Dome]

Hold up.... so he effectively started with 5 keepers then?

Even if he started with 11 players priced as keepers, he only needed the 5, considering the others were all traded. Not only was he able to build a squad capable of striking at first in the final rounds (and succeeding) he was able to save trades for that final run too

That makes for some serious food for thought!

Yeh he had Sheezel for most of it until he got injured and went to Whitfield. That helped him over second placer having the extra player and Whitfield went big on the Bulldogs.

 

[aj74]

Main hope is that he'll be the main kick-in taker and main distributor off half-back; he's also able to hit the scoreboard so I think he has the potential to go a tick over 110.

The problem with that idea is that Houston has to beat Moore to the kick-in.

Usually Darcy is closer to goal and runs over to take the kick and I think we're instructed to play first dibs. So yeah, Darce takes the kick-ins a lot more often than he should, especially considering the lack of tall marking options we tend to have and let's just say... Moore is a much better marking option than kicker-innerer with the result that there's usually a good turnover goal in the offing for the oppo. But still, Darcy's gonna Darcy so Houston is gonna need to get his skates on if he wants those kick ins.

Still.. better than having Bruzzy Maynard trying to kick them in. We all remember that one on ANZAC day I think it was that was so putrid it had everyone in the stadium, including the coach, wetting themselves laughing

The only player we have that would successfully take the ball off those two with his demands for a kick-in would be Nick Daicos, proving to all the haters that he doesn't just get all his stats from handball receives. So there.