Strategy BBL|09: SuperCoach BBL Trades Discussion

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True but you could have the likes of Neser, Siddle, Ahmad, Mujeeb and Pattinson hover at around 40-60 but at a considerably cheaper price.
key word = could

I guess it comes down to available funds and whether you want the elite players or happy with the next tier down

didn't see the game yesterday , but suspect ABD might still be at a different level to Big Bash standard

but yes with pure Batsmen it can all end with one good (or bad) ball whereas bowlers get 24 chances
 

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True but you could have the likes of Neser, Siddle, Ahmad, Mujeeb and Pattinson hover at around 40-60 but at a considerably cheaper price.
4 of those are BWL only, add Khan to that list and you have your quota of 5 BWLs for R12.
  • Do you have Ellis in your team?
  • Do you have Boyce in your team?
  • Do you have WAgar/Conway/Stanlake in your team?
  • Will a Rauf/Lamichhane/NCN still be part of your team then?
  • Will a Jhye/Jordan/Ahmed/Paris still be part of your team then?
  • How many of the Green/Sutherland/Hinchcliffe/Jewell/MShort/Harris/Larkin/Cartwright/Dunk/Bancroft will still be in your team then?
The point I'm trying to make here is that there's only 7 BWL spots and if you're carrying any more than 2 from the above list then that will limit how many BWL ONLY players you can target for those rounds.

I would encourage you to do a rough sketch of your trades to make sure that you can slot a particular BAT or BWL ONLY players in their spot AND not be the 6th or 7th player in their designated spot. Just trust me on this...
 
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Can I get your list of bowlers that are going to average 70+.

If they are from Adelaide , Brisbane , Hobart or the Renegades I wouldn't be seeing too many outside of RK19 & Richo getting even remotely close.

Not including Short as a bowler.
I'm not saying it's without risk of course nor am I saying I will skip ABD. But that said a Jhye/Morris/Sams type or other top end bowler/allrounder could in theory average 70 to close things out. After this round all are averaging 60-70 anyway. Maxy/Stoinis around 80. Marsh 70-75.

Note I mean a really top end option so they won't necessarially be much cheaper than ABD but the difference and they may already be in your side.

Even just comparing one DGR player to another, if a coach finds funds are tight to do everything then Mujeeb or Pattinson would be ahead of ABD just IMO. Cutting possibly also but he needs things to go his way. The pure bats cannot make more than one mistake (getting out) whereas our bowlers can get hit for 6 and get to front up again for another go. So in my theory I am factoring in 1-2 low ABD scores to average down his inevitable huge ones.
 
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I'm not saying it's without risk of course nor am I saying I will skip ABD. But that said a Jhye/Morris/Sams type or other top end bowler/allrounder could in theory average 70 to close things out. After this round all are averaging 60-70 anyway. Maxy/Stoinis around 80. Marsh 70-75.

Note I mean a really top end option so they won't necessarially be much cheaper than ABD but the difference and they may already be in your side.

Even just comparing one DGR player to another, if a coach finds funds are tight to do everything then Mujeeb or Pattinson would be ahead of ABD just IMO. Cutting possibly also but he needs things to go his way. The pure bats cannot make more than one mistake (getting out) whereas our bowlers can get hit for 6 and get to front up again for another go. So in my theory I am factoring in 1-2 low ABD scores to average down his inevitable huge ones.
ok my apologies , complete misunderstanding

thought you were comparing ABD just to the Round 12/13 DGR teams bowling options.
 

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Rain looms as a significant factor as SuperCoaches plan for Sydney Sixers Round 10 double.

The Sixers are scheduled to play two matches in Sydney in three days, hosting Hobart on Thursday before the second Sydney Smash of BBL09 on Saturday.

However, the Bureau of Meteorology is predicting 2-8mm of rain in Sydney on Thursday, most likely in the afternoon and evening.

The forecast is for more rain on Saturday, with 2-15mm expected and a possible thunderstorm.

The full Brisbane-Adelaide Round 9 fixture went ahead despite expectations of rain, although it’s always worth having a back-up plan.

If you want to avoid Sydney Sixers and possible rain delays, here are seven unique picks from other teams to consider.

Mujeeb Ur Rahman (Brisbane Heat) Avg: 38 Ownership: 1.4 per cent

In 13 BBL games, the Afghani spinner has claimed 12 wickets and conceded less than a run a ball, putting him among the most economical bowlers in BBL history.

He posted 38 SuperCoach points in his first outing of BBL09 against Adelaide, finishing with a tidy 0-14 from his four overs.

His compatriot Rashid Khan has had teams in a spin at Adelaide Oval and Mujeeb could well do the same.

Josh Lalor (Brisbane Heat) BWL Avg: 51 Ownership: 1.8 per cent

The left-arm seamer was one of the most expensive players in SuperCoach BBL at the start of BBL09 at $201,900. Lalor has enjoyed a consistent campaign, with two of his best three scores in the past three rounds. He took 3-21 from four overs against Hobart Hurricanes, amassing a season-high 111 points and then scored 95 after snaring 2-12 from three overs against Adelaide Strikers. Lalor has otherwise been a consistent scorer with six scores between 30-56.

Qais Ahmad (Hobart Hurricanes) BWL Avg: 51.7 Ownership: 9.2 per cent

The Hurricanes spinner soared in price to $214,800 after Round 3, having posted 180, 41 and 42. But a score of -1 in Round 4 was the start of a price plummet which resulted in him falling to $126,000 after Round 8. Ahmad has six scores of 35-47 and has a double game week in Round 12 which includes a fixture against the winless Melbourne Renegades. With James Faulkner and Riley Meredith sidelined, he’s guaranteed to bowl four overs.

Travis Head (Adelaide Strikers) BAT-BWL Avg: 54 Ownership: 3.0 per cent

The Test No. 6 has played the past two matches for the Strikers, returning with 22 from 20 balls against Melbourne Renegades and eight from four balls against Brisbane Heat. Head took 2-26 from four overs against the Renegades and totalled 94 SuperCoach points. But he wasn’t required to bowl when leg-spinner Liam O’Connor played his first match of BBL09 against Brisbane, which would be a worry for those keen to pick him. Adelaide has a double in Round 12 still to come.

James Pattinson (Brisbane Heat) Avg: 83 Ownership: 3.4 per cent

It has been polar opposites in Pattinson’s two matches since returning from Test duties – 0-52 and 22 points in Round 9, 5-33 and 144 points in Round 10. Pattinson’s wickets weren’t exactly pretty – with two caught down the leg side by gloveman Jimmy Peirson – but his pace against the Strikers was fierce. He plays the Strikers again in Round 10 in their return fixture. Pattinson remains at a low price for what he can produce and even a poor performance in will see his price skyrocket.
Peter Siddle (Adelaide Strikers) Avg: 56.7 Ownership: 5.5 per cent

Siddle’s BBL09 stats make for pleasant reading, conceding just 6.6 runs per over and taking 10 wickets at 17.4. The veteran is the Strikers’ first-choice pace bowler and his SuperCoach average of 56.7 ranks him among the best-performed bowlers in the competition. Siddle is in only 5.5 per cent teams and his affordable price tag makes him a promising prospect ahead of the Strikers’ Round 12 double.


James Vince (Sydney Sixers)
Avg: 36.6Ownership: 4.8 per cent

With many teams spending big coin to bring in Tom Curran ($236,400 BAT-BWL) ahead of the Sixers’ double game week, Vince presents a cheap option with considerable upside. He hasn’t gone large in either of the Sixers’ doubles, posting 49 and 25, but averages a solid 36.6 points across the campaign. Batting at three, the Englishman should get ample opportunity in his side’s two fixtures in Round 10 — if the rain stays away.

 
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Going to be a very strange feeling when we trade all the DG players OUT of our teams this round..
I have 6 ?

Bancroft will have to stay , hopefully Jordan hasn't lost too much value

3 of Jordan , Livingstone , Marsh & Richardson will go depending on BE (wouldn't mind keeping Jhye)

Inglis waits until Carey is back
 

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I have 6 ?

Bancroft will have to stay , hopefully Jordan hasn't lost too much value

3 of Jordan , Livingstone , Marsh & Richardson will go depending on BE (wouldn't mind keeping Jhye)

Inglis waits until Carey is back
You have six Sixers!?
 

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misread DG as being Scorchers oops we are in the Week 10 thread

you are trading out your Sixers ?

I only have Hughes , Nevill & Kerr
Looking likely that both games will either be completely washed out or very limited overs so will be trading out Philippe and Henriques if that’s the case. Will assess just before the game begins tonight.
 
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Looking likely that both games will either be completely washed out or very limited overs so will be trading out Philippe and Henriques if that’s the case. Will assess just before the game begins tonight.
Appreciate the information.

Might be a chance to grab a Striker , Hurricane & Heat player then.

Do you have Curran ?
 
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Could someone please clarify something for me as a first time player.

Regarding rain affected games. If the game is a compete wash out and never starts do your on field players get a zero. Or are they treated as if they did not play and you can get a bench player score.

And second if the game does start but rain stops it and no result can be determined do the scores of players that have played count and those that did not get zero?

Thinking of Philippe of the Sixers. If the game starts he is at least an opener or gets in the game being a keeper.
 
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Tricky week for trading.

Boland is definitely one out, Livingstone probably another.

Maybe Maxy, maybe Marsh, maybe NCN.

One of AB/Khan needs to come in. Sixers looking unlikely to get much of a game. Most of my striker/heat targets have high be’s which isn’t ideal.

Big decisions to be made tomorrow!
 
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Out: Boland, Livingstone, Maxwell
In: Pattinson, Lamichhane, de Villiers

No 6ers in their DGW. Not entirely weather related (although I do expect some game time will be lost), more looking at later rounds, where I think I can possibly do better.

Maxwell out seems odd at first but with the way the team is going he isn't getting much of a hit. I do expect he has at least one good score left in him, but I also expect more lower scores. Happy to take a punt on AB instead, who gets an extra game before the end of the season.
 

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Could someone please clarify something for me as a first time player.

Regarding rain affected games. If the game is a compete wash out and never starts do your on field players get a zero. Or are they treated as if they did not play and you can get a bench player score.

And second if the game does start but rain stops it and no result can be determined do the scores of players that have played count and those that did not get zero?

Thinking of Philippe of the Sixers. If the game starts he is at least an opener or gets in the game being a keeper.
If there isn’t a single ball bowled then all players involved will be DNP, so if they are on field then bench players scores will be awarded. If two players on the bench on any given line play, you will be awarded the lowest of the two scores provided they score one or more. If two players are on field and DNP then you get both scores from the bench on that line provided both bench players play that round.

As soon as a ball is bowled, the scores count.

Keep in mind that with DG players, their first game of the round might be completely washed out and they are showing as DNP but if a single ball is bowled from their second game of the round then their scores will count.
 
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If there isn’t a single ball bowled then all players involved will be DNP, so if they are on field then bench players scores will be awarded. If two players on the bench on any given line play, you will be awarded the lowest of the two scores provided they score one or more. If two players are on field and DNP then you get both scores from the bench on that line provided both bench players play that round.

As soon as a ball is bowled, the scores count.

Keep in mind that with DG players, their first game of the round might be completely washed out and they are showing as DNP but if a single ball is bowled from their second game of the round then their scores will count.
Thanks Ben. Much appreciated.
 
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