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[OzRulesFootball]

Oz, here are some excerpts from the laws that might clarify things for you

(a) A batsman is not out Run out if

(i) he has been within his ground and has subsequently left it to avoid injury, when the wicket is put down.

(iii) if No ball has been called
and he is out of his ground not attempting a run
and the wicket is fairly put down by the wicket-keeper without the intervention of another fielder.

Just tells me what I already knew. Morgan was not out...lol

He made his ground.
Slater tried to make sense of some reason he was given out later on, but made no sense to me.
If you ground your bat before the bails are off, you have made it.

Not sure what technical grounds 3rd umpire wanted to give him out on, but it was crazy stuff.

 

[I_am_aweSAM]

Just tells me what I already knew. Morgan was not out...lol

He made his ground.
Slater tried to make sense of some reason he was given out later on, but made no sense to me.
If you ground your bat before the bails are off, you have made it.

Not sure what technical grounds 3rd umpire wanted to give him out on, but it was crazy stuff.

Actually Oz, technically he was out. He wasn't leaving his ground to avoid injury, therefore because his bat bounced he was out of his ground when the bails were removed. As far as Deano, if the wicketkeeper had removed the stump then he would have been not out but because there were other fielders involved, my understanding is he was able to be run out.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Actually Oz, technically he was out. He wasn't leaving his ground to avoid injury, therefore because his bat bounced he was out of his ground when the bails were removed. As far as Deano, if the wicketkeeper had removed the stump then he would have been not out but because there were other fielders involved, my understanding is he was able to be run out.

nah, the only one even close to technical ws Morgan but the interprettion of "leaving his ground" is ridiculous how it was used to give him out. Just craziness.

As for Deano, there is no grey area at all. He was never out no matter what, once it was a no ball and he was walking to the dressing room thinking he was bowled.
Wicketkeeper irrelevant. Umpires were just not thinking straight. They admitted to their mistake later in interval of play but because Mark Waugh was already batting by then, they could not recall Deano back. I wonder what it shows it score card for Deano in official records...lol.. "Batsmen mistakenly given out"...lol... "Sorry"

Back to Morgan, they need to re-word the law around that so it is clear a batsmen never gets given out in those circumstances again.
Leaving the ground should only be seen as moving in direction of other end of pitch.Tht never happened with Morgan. Just nuts.

 

[Creeker]

My take on the Morgan dismissal is even though he did ground his bat. At the time the bails were removed his bat was in they air. He was at full stretch and if his glove had of been over the line he would of been safe.
Actually, not certain of this. Just confusing myself now. lol.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

My take on the Morgan dismissal is even though he did ground his bat. At the time the bails were removed his bat was in they air. He was at full stretch and if his glove had of been over the line he would of been safe.
Actually, not certain of this. Just confusing myself now. lol.

Your not confused. Your simply trying to make sense of how the hell they gave him out.
As Sam pointed out, the 3rd umpire has decided to call the fact that his bat may have bounced up a *little* after already making his ground as somehow meaning he had left his ground. It is nuts, he has not left his ground in my eyes, as he was not going in the other direction but that is what the 3rd umpire has done to give him out.

It explains it, how they deemed to give him out, but in no way in my eyes does it make it right or make sense to me. It simply shows to me crazy logic of deeming him to have left his ground.
The crazy logic was what got applied though.
No way should that be defined as leaving your ground if you are making no movement in opposite direction.

If a batsman was trying to make his ground and the bat fell out of his hand and was in the air then fair enough, he has never actually made his ground and should be able to be run out in such circumstances but Morgan actually did make contact with the ground already, with bat in hand, before bails came off. He has not changed direction to make a different movement or anything so it is nuts for 3rd umpire to have deemed he left his ground. He was simply still in process of direction he was moving after *already* making his ground....

The fact the bat may have slightly bounced after making his ground should be irrelevant... he had already made his ground and was not leaving to go in other direction

 

[Lenny5]

I was actually under the impression that the rule was if you were in the motion of trying to make your ground (as Morgan was by diving to get into the crease), and you weren't in your crease when the bails were removed, then you are out. Seems okay to me.

In a different scenario, say for example Morgan ran 1, then walked down the crease a few steps looking for a 2nd but realised he wouldn't make it.. and then the bails were removed at his end without him making his ground... that's basically similar to what actually happened and to say that wouldn't be out is incorrect.

In my view they're pretty similar scenarios because in both cases he has already made his ground in the 1st place, and in both cases he is trying to get back into the crease but when the bails are off he hasn't made it.

 

[Creeker]

Anyone know who is back for finals, think I just heard Maxwell, White and McKay are back but cannot confirm.
Not sure about the slinger or Wright. Any other updates ?

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Anyone know who is back for finals, think I just heard Maxwell, White and McKay are back but cannot confirm.
Not sure about the slinger or Wright. Any other updates ?

All the guys you have listed there will be back, Stars at full strength minus the test players.

 

[Creeker]

All the guys you have listed there will be back, Stars at full strength minus the test players.

Thanks for that Goodie's - have just prepared and selected the whole 5. lol

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Well I started tis thread to find out how the hell Morgan was given out.
Guess I got my answer even if not satisfied.

The way i see it, there is no grey area.
As others have shown the rule we all agree on, but the wording leaving your ground has different meanings for different people.
He did make his ground, it was not a case of run out before making his ground but some people suggest he left his ground.

I don't buy it but it obviously is how the 3rd umpire concluded he was giving him out.

Fascinating that this has shown people have different ideas on what leaving your ground means.
They ICC hopefully re-word and tighten up this law up so it is more clear.

 

[I_am_aweSAM]

Well I started tis thread to find out how the hell Morgan was given out.
Guess I got my answer even if not satisfied.

The way i see it, there is no grey area.
As others have shown the rule we all agree on, but the wording leaving your ground has different meanings for different people.
He did make his ground, it was not a case of run out before making his ground but some people suggest he left his ground.

I don't buy it but it obviously is how the 3rd umpire concluded he was giving him out.

Fascinating that this has shown people have different ideas on what leaving your ground means.
They ICC hopefully re-word and tighten up this law up so it is more clear.

Haha, that just about sums it up The current wording of the law means that you have to give this out even though it's an average look for the game. Possibly should reword it to ,'leaving his ground with intent..' Or some such, but there are always going to be these borderline calls so just have to roll with it.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Squads for Hobbart Hurricanes vs Melbourne Stars (Melbourne)

Melbourne Stars: Cameron White (c), John Hastings, Brad Hodge, David Hussey, Alex Keath, Lasith Malinga, Clint McKay, Glenn Maxwell, James Muirhead, Marcus Stoinis, Matthew Wade, Daniel Worrall, Luke Wright.

Hobart Hurricanes: George Bailey (c), Tim Paine, Travis Birt, Doug Bollinger, Cameron Boyce, Xavier Doherty Ben Dunk, Evan Gulbis, Ben Hilfenhaus, Ben Laughlin, Shoaib Malik, Dimitri Mascarenhas, , Jon Wells.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Tossing up between Tim Paine and Ben Dunk the two Hobart boys. Not sure who to go atm.

 

[Dynamo]

Tossing up between Tim Paine and Ben Dunk the two Hobart boys. Not sure who to go atm.

Had the same dilemma, went with Paine as at least if he fails with the bat he can still make some points as WK.

 

[IDIG]

Is this the week to go PODs or cookie cutter?

Anyone going for a vc loophole? lol

 

[Dynamo]

Got to give it a go, VC playing tonight.
Just not sure which stars to pick, they cant all score well you wouldn't think.

 

[Hondo]

Is this the week to go PODs or cookie cutter?

Anyone going for a vc loophole? lol

I think loopholes are the only way of having getting any edge with only 2 games.

In theory you can loophole every line

 

[bunlit]

That's what I"m doing

 

[Hondo]

Yeah me too Bunlit

Dunk, Birt, McKay and Faulkner loop holed currently

 

[IDIG]

I think loopholes are the only way of having getting any edge with only 2 games.

In theory you can loophole every line

Nice one!