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Which forwards are you planning to start with??

  • Montagna $599k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Martin $569k

    Votes: 36 37.9%
  • Dahlahus $564k

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Wingard $528k

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Gunston $521

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Westhoff $511k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Barlow $505k

    Votes: 88 92.6%
  • Robinson $500k

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • Rioli $501k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • N Riewoldt $491k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Boomer $486k

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Tippett $484k

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • S. Gray $481k

    Votes: 23 24.2%
  • Z. Merrett $477k

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Lynch $477k

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Franklin $470k

    Votes: 15 15.8%
  • Greene $447k

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • Hall $428k

    Votes: 61 64.2%
  • Sinclair $410k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De Goey $318k

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Total voters
    95

Philzsay

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What about in a scenario where you originally had Zorko, then downgraded him to someone else after the news of his suspension, and now thinking of upgrading back up to him again?:confused:
I'd tell that person to think it over a large coffee :)
 
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What about in a scenario where you originally had Zorko, then downgraded him to someone else after the news of his suspension, and now thinking of upgrading back up to him again?:confused:
I'm thinking of swapping Monty for Zorko and I can already loop Menadue with Petracca! Then loop Milera and Menzel with Zorko.

Is this too much fiddling?

Zork would be a big pod and should score big this year.
 

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Someone please talk me out of loopholing Menadue's score with Zorko!

He is just so tempting with beams out and will be a massive POD...
Lol I had been considering doing the same thing this morning. However the best way to talk yourself out of it is that for round 1 you are essentially replacing one of your premiums for a score of 80. Would you be happy with an 80 first up from a premium? Thats how I talked myself out of it.
I agree with Philzsay.
He wasn't in your team when the ball was bounced last night, so what is so attractive about an 80, that you suddenly want to bring him back in? :confused:
 
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Lol I had been considering doing the same thing this morning. However the best way to talk yourself out of it is that for round 1 you are essentially replacing one of your premiums for a score of 80. Would you be happy with an 80 first up from a premium? Thats how I talked myself out of it.
Wish Houli scored an 81 :p
 

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Lol I had been considering doing the same thing this morning. However the best way to talk yourself out of it is that for round 1 you are essentially replacing one of your premiums for a score of 80. Would you be happy with an 80 first up from a premium? Thats how I talked myself out of it.
I actually view it as even worse in most cases. If you would be loopholing Menadue onto the field anyway without Zorko, then that 80 would be in your team anyway. The Zorko money could be used in a different position to replace an on field rookie score with a premium (a rookie who will probably score less than 80). Therefore, by leaving Zorko out, you can replace a (most likely) much lower rookie score with a premium score.
I agree with Philzsay.
He wasn't in your team when the ball was bounced last night, so what is so attractive about an 80, that you suddenly want to bring him back in? :confused:
I think this can be reasonable: Menadue's overperformance makes Zorko a more appealing prospect than what he was when Menadue was expected to score around 60.

Hypothetically: Let's say you are looking for an average of 100 over 22 games (2200 total) from your 543k forward, and you expect Zorko to average 101 over the last 21 games. If you take 101 x 21, he's sitting on 2121: 79 short of the 2200 you are looking for. Last night, you would've said: "OK, if Menadue scores at least 79, he gets Zorko to the 100 average I want across the season". If you add on Menadue's 80, this gets you to 2201, whereas if Menadue had come out and played poorly, Zorko would've fallen short. Obviously, these numbers have been doctored to make Menadue's score last night successful, which is not the best way to make this decision. Ideally, before last night, you would've calculated Zorko's likely average, what you want from him for the season and then used that to calculate what Menadue needed to score to bring Zorko into your team. However, I think these numbers demonstrate the point that Menadue overperforming last night makes Zorko more likely to be successful than he was before the game.

For anyone planning on picking Zorko, I would think of this as a 20 point handicap (starting with 80, instead of 100). It is possible for him to make up those 20 points during the season. But you need to consider, is he a better option than whoever you are picking otherwise, once you account for the handicap? Personally, I think there are cheaper options who will probably score similarly, who don't have this 20 point handicap. With Wells and Kerridge already locked in (and BenKen in most teams too), you can probably only fit a few forward premiums into your team.

Note: this only works if you are not planning on using a FD to get Menadue's points anyway- otherwise, those 80 points are already coming your way, whether or not you have Zorko.
 
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Lol I had been considering doing the same thing this morning. However the best way to talk yourself out of it is that for round 1 you are essentially replacing one of your premiums for a score of 80. Would you be happy with an 80 first up from a premium? Thats how I talked myself out of it.
Is the 25-30 odd points difference for 1 round really the be all end all if it's made up later by say Zorko out scoring Robbo (your replacement) by 5-10 points per game on overall average?
I see Zorko as a better year long Prospect than Robbo (not by much) overall with Beams returning mid year or sooner.
 
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Someone please talk me out of loopholing Menadue's score with Zorko!

He is just so tempting with beams out and will be a massive POD...
Lol I had been considering doing the same thing this morning. However the best way to talk yourself out of it is that for round 1 you are essentially replacing one of your premiums for a score of 80. Would you be happy with an 80 first up from a premium? Thats how I talked myself out of it.
What about in a scenario where you originally had Zorko, then downgraded him to someone else after the news of his suspension, and now thinking of upgrading back up to him again?:confused:
I'd tell that person to think it over a large coffee :)
I'm thinking of swapping Monty for Zorko and I can already loop Menadue with Petracca! Then loop Milera and Menzel with Zorko.

Is this too much fiddling?

Zork would be a big pod and should score big this year.
I agree with Philzsay.
He wasn't in your team when the ball was bounced last night, so what is so attractive about an 80, that you suddenly want to bring him back in? :confused:
I actually view it as even worse in most cases. If you would be loopholing Menadue onto the field anyway without Zorko, then that 80 would be in your team anyway. The Zorko money could be used in a different position to replace an on field rookie score with a premium (a rookie who will probably score less than 80). Therefore, by leaving Zorko out, you can replace a (most likely) much lower rookie score with a premium score.

I think this can be reasonable: Menadue's overperformance makes Zorko a more appealing prospect than what he was when Menadue was expected to score around 60.

Hypothetically: Let's say you are looking for an average of 100 over 22 games (2200 total) from your 543k forward, and you expect Zorko to average 101 over the last 21 games. If you take 101 x 21, he's sitting on 2121: 79 short of the 2200 you are looking for. Last night, you would've said: "OK, if Menadue scores at least 79, he gets Zorko to the 100 average I want across the season". If you add on Menadue's 80, this gets you to 2201, whereas if Menadue had come out and played poorly, Zorko would've fallen short. Obviously, these numbers have been doctored to make Menadue's score last night successful, which is not the best way to make this decision. Ideally, before last night, you would've calculated Zorko's likely average, what you want from him for the season and then used that to calculate what Menadue needed to score to bring Zorko into your team. However, I think these numbers demonstrate the point that Menadue overperforming last night makes Zorko more likely to be successful than he was before the game.

For anyone planning on picking Zorko, I would think of this as a 20 point handicap (starting with 80, instead of 100). It is possible for him to make up those 20 points during the season. But you need to consider, is he a better option than whoever you are picking otherwise, once you account for the handicap? Personally, I think there are cheaper options who will probably score similarly, who don't have this 20 point handicap. With Wells and Kerridge already locked in (and BenKen in most teams too), you can probably only fit a few forward premiums into your team.

Note: this only works if you are not planning on using a FD to get Menadue's points anyway- otherwise, those 80 points are already coming your way, whether or not you have Zorko.
Is the 25-30 odd points difference for 1 round really the be all end all if it's made up later by say Zorko out scoring Robbo (your replacement) by 5-10 points per game on overall average?
I see Zorko as a better year long Prospect than Robbo (not by much) overall with Beams returning mid year or sooner.
That's exactly what I'm doing. Zorko is currently sitting in the midfield, with Menadue on the bench. I've kept Zorko through his suspension, and Menadue's 80 is just enough for me to take. It's too high to gamble on another rookie, and the risk of trying to replace it with a different premium is too great. Any F/M premium I do pick (Zorko will swap forward for Kerridge next round, etc), has the risk of scoring under 80 points, whereas the most I could reasonably expect is +25 on Menadue's score, which may be o***et in the long run.
 

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Would you all be kind enough to share your current F5 + F6?
 
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I have Kerridge at F5, rotation of Papley/Adams/Menadue/McCarthy at F6
 

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Would you all be kind enough to share your current F5 + F6?
My F5/F6 changes every week due to DPP.

The players that could be there are Kerridge, B Kennedy, Menadue, M Adams, Tippa, M Brown, Papley and McCarthy.
 

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Mine is determined by the 'Rookie roulette wheel', it has not been spinning up the numbers which I want! :mad:
 

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Thanks all. Considering some creative restructuring which would involve me starting/looping rookies at F5/6 if I've figured it out properly.

Not that I was expecting big things from Paperly first up but his 46 or whatever it was did not fill me with a great deal of confidence he'll be able to hold up F6 until I can upgrade.

Seems like i wouldn't be on my own though so I can at least take some confidence knowing that the SCS Brainstrust feel it's a viable structure :)
 
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