Position Midfielder Discussion

[Connoisseur]

Is Cripps a must have?

Not liking the yo-yo finish to the year..

I think he was like that from rnd 9 onwards, Teague took over in rnd 11? I get that a couple of games (or 1) might have been injury affected, but those other games where he was either tagged, or just beaten by a better midfield are worrying. Trouble is the ceiling is so high, so his down games were counterbalanced by his high scoring in the others. I don't really need the worry of someone who I've paid a bucket load of cash for pumping out 60', 70's, particularly if I have whacked the C on them. For me he's not in, but he might be if some of those low scores equate to a drop in price and a relative conducive draw.

I did not start him last year and it really hurt. I then traded him in and copped the 2nd half yo-yo. I have a feeling that he may be a bit of an early season warrior given his game style and age and he tires a bit in the second half of the season. However he is a year older now and probably has more help this year so that might disappear.

For whatever it is worth I currently have him in my team due to his early season strength but am open to other options.

Was hesitant to select Cripps last season but managed to grab him in RD12 (sub $550,000). Avoided him in 2018 and at the start of 2019 due to potential injury (due to his game style and extremely high TOG) which was a nuisance as he then missed several games once I grabbed him. Wouldn’t be overly concerned about his low scores due to his heavily contested style which means those low games (sub 80) won‘t be as prevalent and his ceiling will compensate.

As for the question regarding his status as a must have, I don’t think so, due to the range of appealing options displaying similar scoring potential between the C Oliver to J Macrae range.

 

[Santoz]

But is that $100k savings worth the 200+ points you will lose to a 112-115 M8 option others may have?

Having superior rookies will hopefully set me up to launch in the upgrade period. There's a lot of teams that are uber confident in running rookies on ground that I feel are pretty weak.

 

[Bermi]

Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury believes fellow midfielder Adam Treloar can go to another level in 2020 on the back of a huge pre-season.

Treloar played 24 games last year, averaging 33 disposals per game, but Pendlebury believes the double hamstring the 26-year-old suffered in 2018 was still lingering in the back of his mind.

“Adam Treloar has had a near flawless summer,” Pendlebury told Sportsday.

“The way he has performed, he looks like he has got his running capacity back, all that speed and power.

“Probably that double hamstring injury took a lot out of him and it took a while to get back, but over this summer he has been near impossible to catch, to tackle, so that’s really exciting for a senior player to find what we hope is a new level.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/26/the-star-magpie-who-has-had-a-near-flawless-summer/

 

[pizza safety]

I've changed my position on Macrae, I now think he's a "must start" after I started to realise something....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1146226434240733185

Using Freako's tweet and the CBA's on the draft doctors website we can see the change in Macrae's scoring from the 1st half of 2019 to the 2nd half of 2019 in context.

Macrae attended 58% of Centre Bounces from rounds 1-11: 113 average
Macrae attended 80% of Centre Bounces from rounds 13-23: 133 average

There was also a 4 game stretch from round 5-8 where Macrae spent 32% of time forward and he only averaged 106 over this stretch.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1215415554023907329

Based on the 1st Marsh game it looks like the Bulldogs are going to consistently run the Bont, Macrae and Dunkley through the middle and it was this midfield set up that led to the bulldogs improvement late last year.

After Macrae returned to his pure inside midfield role from 2018 his scoring output started to return back to the level from that season.

 

[donnybuang]

I've changed my position on Macrae, I now think he's a "must start" after I started to realise something....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1146226434240733185

Using Freako's tweet and the CBA's on the draft doctors website we can see the change in Macrae's scoring from the 1st half of 2019 to the 2nd half of 2019 in context.

Macrae attended 58% of Centre Bounces from rounds 1-11: 113 average
Macrae attended 80% of Centre Bounces from rounds 13-23: 133 average

There was also a 4 game stretch from round 5-8 where Macrae spent 32% of time forward and he only averaged 106 over this stretch.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1215415554023907329

Based on the 1st Marsh game it looks like the Bulldogs are going to consistently run the Bont, Macrae and Dunkley through the middle and it was this midfield set up that led to the bulldogs improvement late last year.

After Macrae returned to his pure inside midfield role from 2018 his scoring output started to return back to the level from that season.

Or is it better to leave him out, assuming Bevo will send him forward and kill his value at some stage of the season?

 

[pizza safety]

Or is it better to leave him out, assuming Bevo will send him forward and kill his value at some stage of the season?

If that happens it’s unlikely to be at the start with no Libba and Wallis seemingly on the periphery. I think it’s likely Bevo keeps things this way given how dominant the 3 of them are and how well the team played when all 3 were given 75%+ time in there late last season.

 

[pizza safety]

Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury believes fellow midfielder Adam Treloar can go to another level in 2020 on the back of a huge pre-season.

Treloar played 24 games last year, averaging 33 disposals per game, but Pendlebury believes the double hamstring the 26-year-old suffered in 2018 was still lingering in the back of his mind.

“Adam Treloar has had a near flawless summer,” Pendlebury told Sportsday.

“The way he has performed, he looks like he has got his running capacity back, all that speed and power.

“Probably that double hamstring injury took a lot out of him and it took a while to get back, but over this summer he has been near impossible to catch, to tackle, so that’s really exciting for a senior player to find what we hope is a new level.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/26/the-star-magpie-who-has-had-a-near-flawless-summer/

Bad bye but solid POD

 

[pizza safety]

Unless he's full time inside I dont see him as an option against this years crop.

I think he’s not gonna play enough inside mid time to go much above 105. They have some inside midfield depth and he’s highly damaging on the outside of the contest. Whitfield is really the only outside midfielder who can go 110+. McCluccage is not a pure winger as he does get time on the inside but even wingers who mix things up and spend time inside generally only have the ceiling of Sidebottom and Gaff, who do the same.

I’d say wait 1-2 years until Zorko is on the way down and pick him because he’ll start to be a dominant player.

However, I don’t hate the pick at all because I think there’s some value there to improve the rest of your team with, assuming he gets to 105, which I think he will.

 

[freowho]

Or is it better to leave him out, assuming Bevo will send him forward and kill his value at some stage of the season?

Maybe he had a niggle or a cork we didn't know about.

 

[Herbie66]

surely Bevo has to start giving more mid time to Lipinksi this season before other teams come calling

 

[pizza safety]

Was hesitant to select Cripps last season but managed to grab him in RD12 (sub $550,000). Avoided him in 2018 and at the start of 2019 due to potential injury (due to his game style and extremely high TOG) which was a nuisance as he then missed several games once I grabbed him. Wouldn’t be overly concerned about his low scores due to his heavily contested style which means those low games (sub 80) won‘t be as prevalent and his ceiling will compensate.

As for the question regarding his status as a must have, I don’t think so, due to the range of appealing options displaying similar scoring potential between the C Oliver to J Macrae range.

There’s enough reasons to own him for me and to pretty much make him a lock.

He’s not going to hurt you at his price, he has the potential to score more if he does a better job with tags and is playing without injury like he did last year. He also handled tags fine until the foot injury so I predict that will turn around.

He has the potential to put together more monstrous games and he has the potential for more score assists the more Carlton improves.

He has a higher ceiling than Clarry, has a slightly lower ceiling than JKelly without anywhere near the injury risk, and is more proven as a high scorer than Bont and even Neale. He might have a higher ceiling than Fyfe and doesn’t carry the same injury risk.

He’s also a very fast starter.

There’s some counter points but I think they’re outweighed

 

[pizza safety]

surely Bevo has to start giving more mid time to Lipinksi this season before other teams come calling

If I were the dogs I’d trade some of these forward/mids to teams that actually need them and try to get some better key position players or small forwards in the process....confused as to why they have not already done that tbh

 

[Bermi]

There’s enough reasons to own him for me and to pretty much make him a lock.

He’s not going to hurt you at his price, he has the potential to score more if he does a better job with tags and is playing without injury like he did last year. He also handled tags fine until the foot injury so I predict that will turn around.

He has the potential to put together more monstrous games and he has the potential for more score assists the more Carlton improves.

He has a higher ceiling than Clarry, has a slightly lower ceiling than JKelly without anywhere near the injury risk, and is more proven as a high scorer than Bont and even Neale. He might have a higher ceiling than Fyfe and doesn’t carry the same injury risk.

He’s also a very fast starter.

There’s some counter points but I think they’re outweighed

Thanks @gutsroy , I have heard of 'Clarry' before but I couldn't remember who that was, hmmm. I referred to your 'Nickname Glossary' that I saved and found it to be 'Clayton Oliver' . I won't, in future, keep thanking you here when I use it again, I'll just send you a telepathetic thank you.

And while I'm here, thanks for your input @pizza safety, as I find your info helpful.

 

[Herbie66]

If I were the dogs I’d trade some of these forward/mids to teams that actually need them and try to get some better key position players or small forwards in the process....confused as to why they have t already done that tbh

Not sure if Bruce will be the answer, placing a lot of faith (patience) in Schache to live up to his potential, Naughton is good enough.

Keath would have been close to All Australian selction last season so can't see much wrong with that move.

English will be a superstar.

Think (hope) the Dogs are on the move this season.

 

[BigRuss]

If I were the dogs I’d trade some of these forward/mids to teams that actually need them and try to get some better key position players or small forwards in the process....confused as to why they have not already done that tbh

I've changed my position on Macrae, I now think he's a "must start" after I started to realise something....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1146226434240733185

Using Freako's tweet and the CBA's on the draft doctors website we can see the change in Macrae's scoring from the 1st half of 2019 to the 2nd half of 2019 in context.

Macrae attended 58% of Centre Bounces from rounds 1-11: 113 average
Macrae attended 80% of Centre Bounces from rounds 13-23: 133 average

There was also a 4 game stretch from round 5-8 where Macrae spent 32% of time forward and he only averaged 106 over this stretch.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1215415554023907329

Based on the 1st Marsh game it looks like the Bulldogs are going to consistently run the Bont, Macrae and Dunkley through the middle and it was this midfield set up that led to the bulldogs improvement late last year.

After Macrae returned to his pure inside midfield role from 2018 his scoring output started to return back to the level from that season.

He may not have the accolades but I maintain he’s the best player in the league, very rare breed of player.

 

[pizza safety]

Not sure if Bruce will be the answer, placing a lot of faith (patience) in Schache to live up to his potential, Naughton is good enough.

Keath would have been close to All Australian swlwction last season so can't see much wrong with that move.

English will be a superstar.

Think (hope) the Dogs are on the move this season.

Yeah I’m thinking they’ll make top 4 and between Naughton, Sam Lloyd, Schache and Bruce they seem to have fixed their forward line. Keath improves their back line. I still think trading a Libba/Wallis/McLean would probably work out for them and another club who has inside mid needs (like my team), I guess the AFL clubs are still hesitant to trade players compared to the NFL and NBA.

 

[Herbie66]

Yeah I’m thinking they’ll make top 4 and between Naughton, Sam Lloyd, Schache and Bruce they seem to have fixed their forward line. Keath improves their back line. I still think trading a Libba/Wallis/McLean would probably work out for them and another club who has inside mid needs (like my team), I guess the AFL clubs are still hesitant to trade players compared to the NFL and NBA.

They would tear the grandstand down at Western Oval if they traded Libba or Wallis, that is just plain sacrilege.

Keep forgetting about Mr Clean,hugely talented, surprised clubs have not come calling for him

 

[Zagbag]

He may not have the accolades but I maintain he’s the best player in the league, very rare breed of player.

I've been building a position on Macrae for the 2020 Brownlow since last year's count. Building up a serious bank on him at $34 which I think is huge value. Very reminiscent of Dane Swan.

 

[Hasnoshoes]

Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury believes fellow midfielder Adam Treloar can go to another level in 2020 on the back of a huge pre-season.

Treloar played 24 games last year, averaging 33 disposals per game, but Pendlebury believes the double hamstring the 26-year-old suffered in 2018 was still lingering in the back of his mind.

“Adam Treloar has had a near flawless summer,” Pendlebury told Sportsday.

“The way he has performed, he looks like he has got his running capacity back, all that speed and power.

“Probably that double hamstring injury took a lot out of him and it took a while to get back, but over this summer he has been near impossible to catch, to tackle, so that’s really exciting for a senior player to find what we hope is a new level.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/26/the-star-magpie-who-has-had-a-near-flawless-summer/

5th on total points for mids
124 average post bye
81.4% TOG post bye vs 77.7% pre bye
Other than his freak double hammy injury he doesn't miss games
POD
Has upside on his DE

 

[freowho]

I've been building a position on Macrae for the 2020 Brownlow since last year's count. Building up a serious bank on him at $34 which I think is huge value. Very reminiscent of Dane Swan.

Bont probably steals too many points. I don't think Fyfe was the best player in 2019 (maybe one of the best but not necessarily the best) but didn't have much competition at Freo. Judds second brownlow went the same way.