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Which of the following apply to your current team? (multiple choice)

  • Starting with Libba (no Crouch or JOM)

    Votes: 92 38.7%
  • Starting with Libba + Crouch (no JOM)

    Votes: 69 29.0%
  • Starting with Libba + Crouch + JOM

    Votes: 15 6.3%
  • Full GnR (no mid pricers)

    Votes: 19 8.0%
  • GnR + Libba (1 mid pricer in Libba only)

    Votes: 44 18.5%
  • Set and forget rucks

    Votes: 97 40.8%
  • Ruck cover (R/F in your forwardline)

    Votes: 45 18.9%
  • Spending big (starting 3 or more of Shaw/Fyfe/Goldy/Lids/Joey)

    Votes: 37 15.5%
  • Spending less (starting 1 or less of Shaw/Fyfe/Goldy/Lids/Joey)

    Votes: 70 29.4%
  • I will be starting with all 4 of Fyfe/ Ablett/Pendles/Rockliff

    Votes: 46 19.3%
  • Planning to start a POD no one has spoken about

    Votes: 43 18.1%

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Hi Drew - a few thoughts from me below. Probably the key thing is that I think your mids are a bit too heavy, and your forwards and defs quite risky as a result.

- Your defs have two seasons at keeper level between them. Guys like Bartel, McVeigh and Simpson have comfortably more than that by themselves - I'd try to get one or more of those types in, especially if you want to make the odd risky pick elsewhere. Personally I'd get rid of Rich first - he's played seven seasons, but none of them have reached keeper level. I've owned him in the past, and I'm just not sure he's as good a (SC) player as he looks like he should be.

- I have personally wondered whether Laird, Smith and Seedsman can all score well in the same team. You should know best - do you think they can, or is this something of a hedge?

- Personally, I'm always wary of picking players from Collingwood (I'm a Pies fan) and you do have quite a few Crows. You may well have better insight into them, but I'd just suggest holding them to a higher standard to ensure their merits warrant selection.

- Your mids look fantastic, but I think your side would be better served if you took some cash from there and reinvested it. I'd simply cut one of your premium mids. Personally, I'd be picking out of Hannebery (not very proven), Sloane (tag uncertainty, tough draw, possibly better upgrade target) and Mitchell (not proven, and the coach presumably still dislikes him! :) ).

- I see you don't have Ablett, so I'd look to get him in. I appreciate that he's had injuries, but he's also the best SC scorer in the comp, and he's very cheap. Last year he averaged around 134 when not injured. At a minimum, you could flick Beams for him - Beams misses about one game in three (literally), so in my view his value to our sides is massively eroded, because his position in the team will be filled by M9 or M10 a handful of times a season, dragging down his PIT average substantially.

- Your rucks look great, so long as you're okay with the Crows' early draw and Sauce's FTB tendencies. I'm guessing you're all over this as an Adelaide fan. Jacobs is ultra durable, and I like NicNat for a bit of upside, while still being pretty solid. Nice work.

- Your forwards look quite light as well. Dusty is very solid, but Merrett is a speculative pick, and Leuey is currently injured as I understand it, while West appears no certainty to be best 22 based on more informed commentary than I could offer. If you want an R-F, I quite like Tippett, who could easily outscore his 2015 average if he gets more ruck time (see Rowsus' write up), and even if he doesn't, he should contribute at least an extra 5ppg, maybe more, in ruck cover value over the year - which would get him to mid 90s or above, and at a sub 90 price. Boomer would be another cheapish option as a potential keeper, and I personally like Wells if you don't mind a risky pick with a lot of upside. He's really just over rookie price, so the downside is somewhat reduced, and the Roos have the best draw in the comp early on, and have tweaked their training to perform better early in the season ... sounds good for a stepping stone pick to me :)

Good luck!
Thanks Darkie for the analysis, it's pretty speculative at the moment and to be honest there's not much in defence i like at the moment especially over $500k, it all feels like chasing last years points although i think Rance could find a way in and you're right about the Crows players i can only really see one making the cut but i'm bullish about Seedsman, i suspect he wouldn't have moved interstate at his stage of his career and with his talent unless he was given some kind of guarentee that there'd be a rock solid place in the 22 up for grabs, will just be interesting to see what role he plays but at his price he's certainly a watch for me.

Mids is a bit top heavy as you've said and i may have to downgrade there in the long run depending on how the rest of the but there seems like there's a lot (potential) premo value there this yearin the $500k - $600k mark and for that reason i can't see my self going Ablett with his age and recent injury history but Fyfe could certainly temp me if he's in good form in the preseason.

Rucks is set and forget, nothing will change my mind on the guys unless there's an injury, Goldy is awesome but a bit too expensive and the rest (like Martin) is unproven or injury prone.

Forwards are a bit light you're right I definitely need another Premo there, West is in if playing round one due to his rookie price and DPP but (hopefully) easily swapable for another rookie if not selected. Luey should be a good pick i reckon, you'd think would shoulder the majority of the ruck responsibility and score enough for forward keeper status - too good at that price even if he is a bit injury prone.
 
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Thanks Darkie for the analysis, it's pretty speculative at the moment and to be honest there's not much in defence i like at the moment especially over $500k, it all feels like chasing last years points although i think Rance could find a way in and you're right about the Crows players i can only really see one making the cut but i'm bullish about Seedsman, i suspect he wouldn't have moved interstate at his stage of his career and with his talent unless he was given some kind of guarentee that there'd be a rock solid place in the 22 up for grabs, will just be interesting to see what role he plays but at his price he's certainly a watch for me.

Mids is a bit top heavy as you've said and i may have to downgrade there in the long run depending on how the rest of the but there seems like there's a lot (potential) premo value there this yearin the $500k - $600k mark and for that reason i can't see my self going Ablett with his age and recent injury history but Fyfe could certainly temp me if he's in good form in the preseason.

Rucks is set and forget, nothing will change my mind on the guys unless there's an injury, Goldy is awesome but a bit too expensive and the rest (like Martin) is unproven or injury prone.

Forwards are a bit light you're right I definitely need another Premo there, West is in if playing round one due to his rookie price and DPP but (hopefully) easily swapable for another rookie if not selected. Luey should be a good pick i reckon, you'd think would shoulder the majority of the ruck responsibility and score enough for forward keeper status - too good at that price even if he is a bit injury prone.
Thanks for the thoughts on the Crows - hopefully we get a bit more clarity in the NAB.

I see Jamar has been officially picked up by the Dons today, so I think Leuey might be somewhat less attractive than earlier. I had him at R2, then F4, and now he's out of my side. I'm quite open to taking injury risks on players like that (very cheap, more than one year of premium/near premium scoring) but he's got a few new headwinds to work against now. On a positive note, as was pointed out to me some time back, he's much easier to deal with if he gets injured early if he's in your forward line than in the rucks.
 

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Okay lads - first real attempt.

Feel free to tear it a new one. Rookies just placeholders obviously.

I'm absolutely lost in the rucks. I can barely find a ruck that will maintain his average this year, of all the premiums. Which is why I've gone discount.

Hi Zagbag - a few thoughts from me:

- Your defs look good. I've cooled a bit on Yeo (see Rowsus' thread), but have the other three.

- Mids look good, but run a bit deep for mine, largely because of the next couple of points.

- Your rucks look quite risky in some respects. I largely agree with your view about the unattractiveness of the rucks on offer, but I do quite like NicNat. A lack of cover would be my main concern - if Leuey gets injured before he goes up (assuming he will, I suppose!), it's not clear to me how you would deal with that. There aren't other viable rucks at his price point, in my view, nor anyone cheaper, so you may need to cop a donut, and/or raise cash from elsewhere to get someone else in as an injury replacement.

- I quite like Barlow, but your other forwards are risky and/or unproven in my view. I hear the hype on Buddy and understand the appeal at his price, but he's a player with a long-running injury history, with a tendency to be out for one/a late out, and then we find he's still not playing weeks later ... which is much worse than simply knowing where you stand when the injury strikes. He now has a known mental health issue on top of that. Zerrett I can understand, although he is still somewhat speculative and we don't have much of a history with him, so he may or may not be durable. He's potentially more of an issue in combination with other less solid forwards, in my view, than standalone. I understand there are some doubts about Greene being best 22 or getting meaningful midfield time, so although I was originally drawn to him, I think he's fairly risky now, notwithstanding his okay price.

- One option for you would be to look at Tippett in your forwards, who I think should match last year's scores (again, see Rowsus' thread :) ) but also add quite a lot of value to your side as ruck cover/for his trading flexibility. If Leuey misses, you could swap the two and cover him with your F7, or simply trade Leuey out for a rookie forward (opening up your options a lot versus the rucks).

- If you need cash to fund upgrades, your mids would be the place to look in my view. Wines is comfortably the least proven of the $500+k players, so he'd be under the microscope for me.
 
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No doubt the first team of many....48k left for rookie wrangling....current rookies just placeholders obviously....

Perhaps slightly too deep in the mids and one short in defence? Lobbe to make way for a cheaper Goldie eventually is the hope...

 
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boyd,bartell,litherland, brown(wce), jaensch,whitecross

rockliff,lewis,mcveigh,libba,aish, greenwood,armitage ,robbie gray,

martin,jamar

cloke, dusty, barlow,menzal,wingard,petracca
 

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F4, R2, McVeigh or not to McVeigh (D1) are slowly killing me.
I've had McVeigh from the start of the preseason, although I just saw a piece saying he is "hopeful" of playing round one, which is reasonably concerning. I knew he had a delayed start to his training, but if round one is in some doubt, that's certainly worse than I had thought.

He seems to have been doing a good amount of work on the bike, but I'm not sure whether that's near enough to interchangeable with running for fitness purposes.

Does anyone have a view?
 
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I've had McVeigh from the start of the preseason, although I just saw a piece saying he is "hopeful" of playing round one, which is reasonably concerning. I knew he had a delayed start to his training, but if round one is in some doubt, that's certainly worse than I had thought.

He seems to have been doing a good amount of work on the bike, but I'm not sure whether that's near enough to interchangeable with running for fitness purposes.

Does anyone have a view?
I also had McVeigh up until the last few days.

His slow pre-season has made me change defence structure because I don't trust the defenders. Looking at going 2-1-5 in defence. For me McVeigh has gone from lock to upgrade target.
 

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boyd,bartell,litherland, brown(wce), jaensch,whitecross

rockliff,lewis,mcveigh,libba,aish, greenwood,armitage ,robbie gray,

martin,jamar

cloke, dusty, barlow,menzal,wingard,petracca
Hey WesternDee90, welcome to the site.

DEF:
Boyd and Bartel solid, no problems there. I like the Jaensch pick, could be a great unique pick if he can get over his injuries and continue his 2014 form. As a hawks man, I would suggest not picking either of Whitecross or Litherland and downgrade them to a few basement price rookies and save that extra $180k you get from doing that.

MID:
Wayyyy too many premiums/mid-pricers there. I would recommend having at the minimum... a rookie at M7 & M8. McVeigh is better off being in ur defence. Rockliff solid. Gray and Armitage are nice unique picks. As a hawks man I think Lewis is a bit unstable and his scores are very up and down. If you are a fan of rollercoasters by all means, could be worth the punt. But if you are looking for stability I would be looking elsewhere. Greenwood has never played a ful season in his 7 years so his durability is an issue. Libba stock standard and nearly in everyones team atm so no problems there. Not a fan of Aish tbh. I would also suggest that you maybe get one of GAJ/Pendles to help Rocky for ur captain choices each week.

RUC:
Stef Martin solid pick. I would however stay away from Jamar, since supercoach has started... so about 11 years, Jamar's highest average is 86.7. It would be foolish to think that a guy at his age can suddenly breakout and score to a premium lvl of which is acceptable for ur R2 spot. Also he is more than likely only back up for Leuenberger should he go down with injury. If you were looking for a stepping stone, might I suggest Lobbe?

FWD:
Dusty & Barlow solid. Stay awake from Cloke unless you think he can score very high early on and then would trade him off, much like Dimmawit's genius move. Wingard is a nice unique pick but will be tough for him to repeat his efforts of 2015. Menzel is probably too expensive as a rookie choice.

Overall:
I would switch McVeigh to ur defence and get a mid rookie in place of him. Cut aish and greenwood and look to picking one of GAJ/Pendles. Any cash u have leftover maybe try to bolster up ur fwd line by upgrading Cloke.
 
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Hi Tamu, cheers for the welcome. Newbie to SC but a veteran on DT (made the move to SC as it appears to be more interesting/challenging for some reason)

You make some good points in regards to my side, will deffiently take into consideration into perfecting the team. cheers
 
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I've had McVeigh from the start of the preseason, although I just saw a piece saying he is "hopeful" of playing round one, which is reasonably concerning. I knew he had a delayed start to his training, but if round one is in some doubt, that's certainly worse than I had thought.

He seems to have been doing a good amount of work on the bike, but I'm not sure whether that's near enough to interchangeable with running for fitness purposes.

Does anyone have a view?
Been saying for a while that McVeigh is an unknown due to no pre-season. That is not to say he isn't a good choice just not in a starting team imo.
 
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Hi All,

1st draft which is really a 20th draft in 2 days.....

J.McVeigh , J.Bartel , G.Birchall, B.Smith, MHartley, M.Brown, (S.Collins, K.Collins)

P.Dangerfield, S.Pendlebury, G.Ablett, T.Rockliff, T.Liberatore, J.O'Meara, C.Petracca, N.Freeman (D.Gore, J.Jansen, A.Morabito)

S.Mumford, M.Lobbe (M.King)

B.Deledio, D.Martin, C.Rioli, L.Franklin, J.Anderson, S.Kerridge (L.Summner, N.Kommer)

Defense is really killing me, I am assuming Smith is keeper and can get back to his early 2015 form. McVeigh could be moved out for a cheaper younger option depending on his fitness come R1.

Some people may not like the Rioli pick but his my boy, im a pies fan but i just love watching this bloke in action. 1st picked in my team each year!
 

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Stupid Question, using snipping tool to try post pic of my team. says its too big as its over 600kb?
How are you lads doing it cheers.
If that's the case you may need to resize the pic in Paint or whichever program you're using.

In Paint, just reduce the size of the pic by X% depending on what size the current file is. Let us know if you have troubles, cheers.
 

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Hi All,

1st draft which is really a 20th draft in 2 days.....

J.McVeigh , J.Bartel , G.Birchall, B.Smith, MHartley, M.Brown, (S.Collins, K.Collins)

P.Dangerfield, S.Pendlebury, G.Ablett, T.Rockliff, T.Liberatore, J.O'Meara, C.Petracca, N.Freeman (D.Gore, J.Jansen, A.Morabito)

S.Mumford, M.Lobbe (M.King)

B.Deledio, D.Martin, C.Rioli, L.Franklin, J.Anderson, S.Kerridge (L.Summner, N.Kommer)

Defense is really killing me, I am assuming Smith is keeper and can get back to his early 2015 form. McVeigh could be moved out for a cheaper younger option depending on his fitness come R1.

Some people may not like the Rioli pick but his my boy, im a pies fan but i just love watching this bloke in action. 1st picked in my team each year!
Looks good, Danger is a unique-ish pick on here but I can certainly see the reasons why you picked him.

Curious to know if you're expecting to see improvement in Birchall this year or see him as underpriced, etc?

Your rucks will make for an interesting year :p
 
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I also had McVeigh up until the last few days.

His slow pre-season has made me change defence structure because I don't trust the defenders. Looking at going 2-1-5 in defence. For me McVeigh has gone from lock to upgrade target.
Same here, I also think that with defenders "traditionally" being cheaper than the rest, the gap from "fat cash cow" to fallen premium is closer in this line. I hope we get enough rookies for me to go 2-1-5 or 3-0-5, but in either case the "big 3" are not in preseason consideration for me.
 

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Would appreciate some thoughts on this team/structure. Thanks in advance :)

DEF: Laird, Bartel, Z.Williams, Rookie, Rookie, Rookie, (Rookie, Rookie)
MID: Fyfe, Dangerfield, Ablett, T.Mitchell, Rockliff, Wines, B.Crouch, Rookie, (Rookie, Rookie)
RUCK: Goldstein, T.Nicholls, (Rookie)
FOR: Barlow, Tippett, Merrett, Buddy, Rookie, Rookie, (Rookie, Rookie)

Defence is a little light yes but feel it is a hard line to pick in regards to who are likely to be top 10 defenders at the end of the year

Mids I can honestly see my 6 promos going 115+ from the get go this year as well as Crouch Scoring well enough to be a good stepping stone/M9

Rucks surely Goldy is a safe bet to be top 3 Ruck, Tom Nicholls I feel the combination of natural progression/Smith & Gorringe leaving/ key mids returning (Ablett, Prestia, O'meara, Swallow) will surely see his H2A increase a significant amount and him scoring at a pretty good level

Forwards Sydney's early draw should see Buddy and Tippett score quite well and will likely get rid of one of them for a fallen premo when the time is right, can't see the, both playing 20+ games with their histories
 
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The choice of Birchall is simply due to the fact i am not confident in any of the defenders producing respectable scores over 22 rounds. Birchall to me is slightly under priced due to having his lowest average in 5 years last year. Between 2011-2014 he average 92.3. He is just a safe pick. I would rather pay 460 for someone who is going to average me 90 all year than pay 480 or so for KK or Yeo who have 1 year of history and not much to back it up with.

Above some what allows me to take a small risk on Mumford who "when fit" i believe is the 2nd best ruck in the comp. His is just a machine and pumps out 150's with ease. Lobbe is solo ruck, not sure how can be iggnored.

Danger can be swapped with fyfe but word is he is just dominating on the track. Its a decision between a fit danger with a full pre season or a fyfe with almost not pre season and possible bad back...... I feel the risk is worth the reward as at a worse case scenario i cant see fyfe averaging more than 10ppg than danger. This is worse case. Best case danger comes out flying fyfe is under done and i have a small jump on the pack who went fyfe. Cant win it without some calculated risks.
 

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The choice of Birchall is simply due to the fact i am not confident in any of the defenders producing respectable scores over 22 rounds. Birchall to me is slightly under priced due to having his lowest average in 5 years last year. Between 2011-2014 he average 92.3. He is just a safe pick. I would rather pay 460 for someone who is going to average me 90 all year than pay 480 or so for KK or Yeo who have 1 year of history and not much to back it up with.

Above some what allows me to take a small risk on Mumford who "when fit" i believe is the 2nd best ruck in the comp. His is just a machine and pumps out 150's with ease. Lobbe is solo ruck, not sure how can be iggnored.

Danger can be swapped with fyfe but word is he is just dominating on the track. Its a decision between a fit danger with a full pre season or a fyfe with almost not pre season and possible bad back...... I feel the risk is worth the reward as at a worse case scenario i cant see fyfe averaging more than 10ppg than danger. This is worse case. Best case danger comes out flying fyfe is under done and i have a small jump on the pack who went fyfe. Cant win it without some calculated risks.
Stellar point mate and why i think Simpson has been so popular over the year. I struggle to allow myself to pick KK/Doc/Yeo/Smith although i do see the appeal in their upside. Laird is the one i'm gambling on who doesn't necessarily have the runs on the board.

Mummy could be a masterstroke, year after year I get smashed in the rucks but if i was to take a risk mummy would be my man. There's been a bit of discussion about Stef's historical games as well so i guess he would fall into the same category mummy does. Lobbe + Mummy will probably define your season and if it pays off, it could pay off big time especially if Goldy comes back down to earth.
 

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The choice of Birchall is simply due to the fact i am not confident in any of the defenders producing respectable scores over 22 rounds. Birchall to me is slightly under priced due to having his lowest average in 5 years last year. Between 2011-2014 he average 92.3. He is just a safe pick. I would rather pay 460 for someone who is going to average me 90 all year than pay 480 or so for KK or Yeo who have 1 year of history and not much to back it up with.

Above some what allows me to take a small risk on Mumford who "when fit" i believe is the 2nd best ruck in the comp. His is just a machine and pumps out 150's with ease. Lobbe is solo ruck, not sure how can be iggnored.

Danger can be swapped with fyfe but word is he is just dominating on the track. Its a decision between a fit danger with a full pre season or a fyfe with almost not pre season and possible bad back...... I feel the risk is worth the reward as at a worse case scenario i cant see fyfe averaging more than 10ppg than danger. This is worse case. Best case danger comes out flying fyfe is under done and i have a small jump on the pack who went fyfe. Cant win it without some calculated risks.
Completely agree with comments on Birchall! My reasoning is he had an interrupted preseason last year which caused the drop in his scoring. Other factors like Gibson taking a more defensive role, Suckling leaving, should open a spot for him to dominate at HB again and go back to a 95+ average. His game counts aren't too bad either.
 
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