Discussion SuperCoach Pre-Preseason + Mid Price Madness for 2016
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With 18 clubs now in the league i think it was inevitable that a club or two down the bottom of the pile would fall off the back of the wagon as such in terms of the quality and AFL standard of their list. I think Carlton has probably been the first club to do that this year and it's no surprise that delisted players like Kerridge and Wright who were probably on the outer fringe of the Crows 22 are able to come straight into Carlton and be (easily) best 22 for a couple of years while they improve their list through the draft.
It looks to me like a tough year for cash cows. Have we been spoilt over the last 5 years with the expansion teams and established teams bottoming out? Port Adelaide and West Coast a few years ago, Melbourne, St Kilda, Brisbane and the Bulldogs the last couple of years. I can only see Carlton this year declaring the start of a rebuild. Those who have played supercoach from the early days might be able to shed more light on this.
I think this time of year is always hard to get a good gauge of how the depth of cash cows will be. Once the pricing is released and we can see who's rookie-priced and what position they're classified a few more options will inevitably pop up.
I think the top end rookies are there in the mids albeit expensive.
I think there'll be a few mature age gems this year and also some that have had a few years in the system who'll be cheap - blokes like Whitecross, Brown (WCE), Otten, Patton etc who may or may not be useful.
Exciting now the countdown to price/position reveals is on!!
I think the top end rookies are there in the mids albeit expensive.
I think there'll be a few mature age gems this year and also some that have had a few years in the system who'll be cheap - blokes like Whitecross, Brown (WCE), Otten, Patton etc who may or may not be useful.
Exciting now the countdown to price/position reveals is on!!
A couple of years back, it was open some time mid-late December (before Christmas definatly), but I think last year it was not open to SC Gold members unitl around mid January.
I recall the pre-orders for the AFL prospectus was until the last couple of years was also available mid December, however it was not released last year until mid January also.
I recall the pre-orders for the AFL prospectus was until the last couple of years was also available mid December, however it was not released last year until mid January also.
Yeah it looks tough at the moment, however the rookies will come by the end of summer, they always do. What one may have to be prepared for though is that there may not be enough that reveal themselves in either the Def or Fwd line. Eg one may plan for a 4-0-0 def and 4-0-0 Fwd but only 2 def cash cows are named in round 1, so what do you do?
It's a bit hard to compare to the early years of SC to these days as so much has changed to both the SC rules and the AFL game. Firstly in the early years of SC all draftee's were based at the same low price, i.e. no premium price for the early draft picks. Hence picking the early draft choices from the bottom teams were almost a no brainer. Two other factors that were different was SC only had 20 trades and there was no rolling lockout. Further with the Tigers/Blues R1 game on a Thursday night and team selections for all other games being announced at 5pm there was only a couple of hours to make last minute changes, which would invariably lead to the SC site crashing! Hence compared to these days back then I personally used to put a bit more focus on selecting rookies with good Job Security that I felt would definitely play a large number of games in the first half of the season. With less trades available you really wanted to make sure every starting rookie went from 114k to 300k odd by mid season, the speed at which they made cash was not as important as it has been in recent years, plus with no sub rule if they played they generally always went up in price. It was rookies who suddenly were no longer getting games that really stuffed your ability to raise cash, because with just 20 trades you were hesitant to use a trade on a rookie swap.
So a practical example of the difference between SC in the early days and more recent times. In 2008 I was confident that Rhys Palmer would play plenty of games early in his first season, he cost 114.2k, so I had him in my starting team. However despite most of us expecting him to play immediately he was not picked for round 1! Rather than risking the SC site crashing on me while trying to replace him with a different rookie that I was not as sure on, and not wanting to waste early trades if he were to be picked soon, I decided to keep him in my opening squad. He played round 2 and become both good cover and a good cash cow. Whereas if this happened in in more recent years, firstly he would have been priced at about 160k due to being draft pick 7, and with the rolling lockout I would have swapped him out. Hence after scores of 87 and 90 in Rounds 2&3 it will now cost a trade to bring him in for R4.
Anyway in preparing for this year I think I will budget that one may have to spend around 150 to 200k on a rookie or two in def/fwd in case the number of 117k rookies playing early on a particular line is near non existent.
It's a bit hard to compare to the early years of SC to these days as so much has changed to both the SC rules and the AFL game. Firstly in the early years of SC all draftee's were based at the same low price, i.e. no premium price for the early draft picks. Hence picking the early draft choices from the bottom teams were almost a no brainer. Two other factors that were different was SC only had 20 trades and there was no rolling lockout. Further with the Tigers/Blues R1 game on a Thursday night and team selections for all other games being announced at 5pm there was only a couple of hours to make last minute changes, which would invariably lead to the SC site crashing! Hence compared to these days back then I personally used to put a bit more focus on selecting rookies with good Job Security that I felt would definitely play a large number of games in the first half of the season. With less trades available you really wanted to make sure every starting rookie went from 114k to 300k odd by mid season, the speed at which they made cash was not as important as it has been in recent years, plus with no sub rule if they played they generally always went up in price. It was rookies who suddenly were no longer getting games that really stuffed your ability to raise cash, because with just 20 trades you were hesitant to use a trade on a rookie swap.
So a practical example of the difference between SC in the early days and more recent times. In 2008 I was confident that Rhys Palmer would play plenty of games early in his first season, he cost 114.2k, so I had him in my starting team. However despite most of us expecting him to play immediately he was not picked for round 1! Rather than risking the SC site crashing on me while trying to replace him with a different rookie that I was not as sure on, and not wanting to waste early trades if he were to be picked soon, I decided to keep him in my opening squad. He played round 2 and become both good cover and a good cash cow. Whereas if this happened in in more recent years, firstly he would have been priced at about 160k due to being draft pick 7, and with the rolling lockout I would have swapped him out. Hence after scores of 87 and 90 in Rounds 2&3 it will now cost a trade to bring him in for R4.
Anyway in preparing for this year I think I will budget that one may have to spend around 150 to 200k on a rookie or two in def/fwd in case the number of 117k rookies playing early on a particular line is near non existent.
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FREMANTLE PRE-SEASON TRAINING UPDATE
- Full squad returned to training this week after the first to fourth year players returned last week.
- The players took part in a segregated session with the squad split into three groups rotating between an indoor stretching session, the gym and some light stationary skills work.
- Fyfe is working his way back from a lower leg fracture that he suffered in the preliminary final. He had surgery the day after winning the Brownlow Medal, with a plate inserted to help heal his fractured fibula. He did some easy paced running and kicking with new draftee Harley Balic, who was unable to mark any balls as he continues his recovery from surgery on his left wrist in August.
- Michael Apeness did some light running. He is still running with a limp as he continues to rehab the posterior cruciate injury he suffered early last season.
- New recruit Shane Yarran did some light running as well. He suffered a knee injury in the WAFL Grand Final when he kicked five goals in Subiaco's premiership win.
- Full squad returned to training this week after the first to fourth year players returned last week.
- The players took part in a segregated session with the squad split into three groups rotating between an indoor stretching session, the gym and some light stationary skills work.
- Fyfe is working his way back from a lower leg fracture that he suffered in the preliminary final. He had surgery the day after winning the Brownlow Medal, with a plate inserted to help heal his fractured fibula. He did some easy paced running and kicking with new draftee Harley Balic, who was unable to mark any balls as he continues his recovery from surgery on his left wrist in August.
- Michael Apeness did some light running. He is still running with a limp as he continues to rehab the posterior cruciate injury he suffered early last season.
- New recruit Shane Yarran did some light running as well. He suffered a knee injury in the WAFL Grand Final when he kicked five goals in Subiaco's premiership win.
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Geelong captain Joel Selwood has spoken about how his "whole body" was pretty much shot down by the end of the year and that he battled through the Cats final game of the season.
“We ... didn’t really play for points in that last game but it was also important to get out there for the last game for a few mates who are no longer with us."
"I had little niggles throughout the whole season and then they just got gradually bigger and bigger. (But) I was able to finish out the season. That was important."
Selwood is on a modified program and he says he expects to return to full training in the week or so.
“We ... didn’t really play for points in that last game but it was also important to get out there for the last game for a few mates who are no longer with us."
"I had little niggles throughout the whole season and then they just got gradually bigger and bigger. (But) I was able to finish out the season. That was important."
Selwood is on a modified program and he says he expects to return to full training in the week or so.
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