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Analysis SuperCoach Scoring Explained, Observations & Complaints On Scoring
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One of the biggest takeaways from the scores published of Bont and JPK in 2017 for me was the difference in POSSESSIONS AND DISPOSALS.
JPK - had 37 disposals but only scored 19 points! from the disposals. 69 of his points came from the way he got the ball.
Comparing this to dreamteam score is so very pointless its not funny. I always assumed it was close. But dream team from those 37 disposals is 89 points. 70 point variance!
Something to think about when we complain that player XYZ had 21 disposals and 15 effective etc.
More often than not its not the actual disposals that are counting highly. Eg - his 14 effective handballs only scored 1 point each. Then his other 8 were worth -5. So his 22 handballs scored him 9 supercoach points. This is a big factor in guys like MCrouch and Coniglio.
Even the 'good using' Bont only scored 12 points from his 18 disposals.
JPK - had 37 disposals but only scored 19 points! from the disposals. 69 of his points came from the way he got the ball.
Comparing this to dreamteam score is so very pointless its not funny. I always assumed it was close. But dream team from those 37 disposals is 89 points. 70 point variance!
Something to think about when we complain that player XYZ had 21 disposals and 15 effective etc.
More often than not its not the actual disposals that are counting highly. Eg - his 14 effective handballs only scored 1 point each. Then his other 8 were worth -5. So his 22 handballs scored him 9 supercoach points. This is a big factor in guys like MCrouch and Coniglio.
Even the 'good using' Bont only scored 12 points from his 18 disposals.
...and that's why we love this game!
Sometimes we're left surprised, baffled, confused, outraged, counting our lucky stars, etc. The ebbs and flows, from player to player and team to team is the intriguing part of the SC scoring...not to mention the 'scaling' effect. At the end of the day, it's all part and parcel of the total SC package.
As an example, I thought Crisp's game yesterday (I have him in my team) was worthy of a score around 100 so I was surprised/baffled/outraged when I realised that he was only scored 79. By the same token and looking through those same glasses, I was surprised/counting my lucky stars that Grundy scored 134 as watching the game, I didn't feel that he was that influential or had his usual impact.
These were based purely on my own observations from watching the game on TV and my gut feel of what they would've scored. Obviously my eyes and brain are not programed with the same algorithms as those at CD, but I accept their scores for better or worse with the knowledge that their next game of similar output could be scored completely different depending on the circumstances of the game.
Sometimes we're left surprised, baffled, confused, outraged, counting our lucky stars, etc. The ebbs and flows, from player to player and team to team is the intriguing part of the SC scoring...not to mention the 'scaling' effect. At the end of the day, it's all part and parcel of the total SC package.
As an example, I thought Crisp's game yesterday (I have him in my team) was worthy of a score around 100 so I was surprised/baffled/outraged when I realised that he was only scored 79. By the same token and looking through those same glasses, I was surprised/counting my lucky stars that Grundy scored 134 as watching the game, I didn't feel that he was that influential or had his usual impact.
These were based purely on my own observations from watching the game on TV and my gut feel of what they would've scored. Obviously my eyes and brain are not programed with the same algorithms as those at CD, but I accept their scores for better or worse with the knowledge that their next game of similar output could be scored completely different depending on the circumstances of the game.
Hahaha...EPL and BBL both have scoring formats similar to AFL RDT/Fantasy. That is, every stats have a 'defined' score attached to them so one can use historical data/analysis to increase one's chance of having a competitive overall team. AFL SC is a completely different beast where scoring is more 'dynamic' depending on game circumstance, impact, etc. and not based on purely the stats acquired.
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Couldn't bypass the paywall via Outline but somehow without a HS Subscription gained access to article (Tip= Try clicking the link and then picture (or other way around or even multiple times) as sometimes you are able to view the article without a pass).
The difference between Brad Crouch and Lachie Neale’s Round 6 score, despite similar raw numbers, had some SuperCoaches scratching their heads. But, as Champion Data’s Fantasy Freako explains, there’s good reason.
Against St Kilda on Saturday, Brad Crouch tallied 30 disposals — at 66 per cent efficiency — a game-high 11 clearances and a team-high 14 contested possessions.
But the Adelaide midfielder finished the game as the 10th-ranked Crow on the ground with just 85 SuperCoach points to his name.
Lachie Neale recorded his fourth SuperCoach score of 140 or more against the Suns.
On the same day, Brisbane’s Lachie Neale recorded 28 disposals — at 82 per cent — 14 contested possessions and five clearances in the Q Clash.
In contrast, the former Docker finished with a game-high 142 points.
The difference has had some SuperCoaches scratching their heads.
But, as Champion Data’s Fantasy Freako explains, the comparison isn’t that simple and you have to “dig a little deeper”.
“The one thing you probably can’t do is compare players from different games, there’s a lot of different factors,” Freako told The Phantom’s Lair Podcast.
“First and foremost, you have to look at what their teammates are doing.”
Adelaide had five more players win eight or more contested possessions than the Lions, three more score in excess of 80 points and two more win at least 20 disposals.
“It was an even contribution in the end from Adelaide,” Freako said.
But, more importantly, it’s what they did when the game was up for grabs.
In the third term, when the game was in the balance, Brad Crouch had two effective disposals, one tackle and just 13 points, as brother Matt, Rory Laird, Rory Atkins, Alex Keath, Brodie Smith and Elliot Himmelberg had a big impact as St Kilda threw everything they had at the Crows.
“As the game went on, the Crows got on top and had a comfortable win but, when it was up for grabs, he (Crouch) didn’t really do much,” Freako said.
On the other hand, with the Lions leading by just six points at half-time, Lachie Neale came out in the third term and tallied 11 disposals, two goal assists and one major himself as Brisbane took the game away from the Suns.
Neale recorded 68 of his 142 points in the third quarter.
“Essentially he was almost the difference between the two teams,” Freako added.
It didn’t help Crouch made just two tackles — Neale had six — went at 47 per cent by foot and had no impact on the scoreboard — goals and assists — whatsoever.
Freako also stressed the importance of treading with caution when following live SuperCoach scores.
“The one thing you can’t do in SuperCoach is put a (exact) value on a certain stat and say, well, he’s kicked a goal, that’s worth eight points,” Freako explained.
“If you’re up by 85 points in the last quarter and you kick a goal, you may only get two or three points because the game is already over. So the worth of that stat isn’t as great as it would be in the first quarter, for example.”
The difference between Brad Crouch and Lachie Neale’s Round 6 score, despite similar raw numbers, had some SuperCoaches scratching their heads. But, as Champion Data’s Fantasy Freako explains, there’s good reason.
Against St Kilda on Saturday, Brad Crouch tallied 30 disposals — at 66 per cent efficiency — a game-high 11 clearances and a team-high 14 contested possessions.
But the Adelaide midfielder finished the game as the 10th-ranked Crow on the ground with just 85 SuperCoach points to his name.
Lachie Neale recorded his fourth SuperCoach score of 140 or more against the Suns.
On the same day, Brisbane’s Lachie Neale recorded 28 disposals — at 82 per cent — 14 contested possessions and five clearances in the Q Clash.
In contrast, the former Docker finished with a game-high 142 points.
The difference has had some SuperCoaches scratching their heads.
But, as Champion Data’s Fantasy Freako explains, the comparison isn’t that simple and you have to “dig a little deeper”.
“The one thing you probably can’t do is compare players from different games, there’s a lot of different factors,” Freako told The Phantom’s Lair Podcast.
“First and foremost, you have to look at what their teammates are doing.”
Adelaide had five more players win eight or more contested possessions than the Lions, three more score in excess of 80 points and two more win at least 20 disposals.
“It was an even contribution in the end from Adelaide,” Freako said.
But, more importantly, it’s what they did when the game was up for grabs.
In the third term, when the game was in the balance, Brad Crouch had two effective disposals, one tackle and just 13 points, as brother Matt, Rory Laird, Rory Atkins, Alex Keath, Brodie Smith and Elliot Himmelberg had a big impact as St Kilda threw everything they had at the Crows.
“As the game went on, the Crows got on top and had a comfortable win but, when it was up for grabs, he (Crouch) didn’t really do much,” Freako said.
On the other hand, with the Lions leading by just six points at half-time, Lachie Neale came out in the third term and tallied 11 disposals, two goal assists and one major himself as Brisbane took the game away from the Suns.
Neale recorded 68 of his 142 points in the third quarter.
“Essentially he was almost the difference between the two teams,” Freako added.
It didn’t help Crouch made just two tackles — Neale had six — went at 47 per cent by foot and had no impact on the scoreboard — goals and assists — whatsoever.
Freako also stressed the importance of treading with caution when following live SuperCoach scores.
“The one thing you can’t do in SuperCoach is put a (exact) value on a certain stat and say, well, he’s kicked a goal, that’s worth eight points,” Freako explained.
“If you’re up by 85 points in the last quarter and you kick a goal, you may only get two or three points because the game is already over. So the worth of that stat isn’t as great as it would be in the first quarter, for example.”
@Connoisseur beat me to it, but worth noting that if you go onto The Phantom's Facebook page, the links seem to get through the paywall for some reason.
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So my take on that is a players score fluctuates higher when the game is cracked open and they have a higher impact on the game. Also this confirms we cannot assume a goal is worth 8 points, so when the game is won, you only get 2 or 3 points. What a load of ****e. They should introduce ranges instead of exact scoring because it doesn't exist.
They're definitely leaving the door ajar for the scoring to be talked about in a negative way and the comparison of scores between players. The other issue is who is scoring? Are they making mistakes? Do they get dropped for bad performances? Are there teams allocated to a particular venue, MCG or Marvel or Adelaide oval, or do the same scorers travel from state to state. Is there a senior scorer thag can overide any decisions live? What background quality assurance testing is CD doing to ensure the validity of the scoring. Maybe this should go in the Rant thread..lol
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