Analysis SuperCoach Scoring Explained, Observations & Complaints On Scoring

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Some new info. Never knew you LOST points for a dropped mark!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...l/news-story/df7b88c315112d5bdc693733ccd62f04

Marking
IT’S not always about kicks and handballs.

The humble mark is often overlooked but can have a major impact on SuperCoach scoring.

Every week of the 2016 season Champion Data will lift the veil of the SuperCoach scoring system to unpack a stat that contributes to player scores.

Now, over to the experts ...

The mark is often a statistic that goes unnoticed in SuperCoach.

The manner in which a mark is recorded however has a major bearing on scoring and these are made up of multiple stats, with each mark awarded a different SuperCoach value.

The most profitable mark is one that is recorded in a contested manner directly from an opposition kick, earning a player eight points. A contested mark, or a pack mark is next best from a value point of view which earns you six points.

A lead mark is also rewarded favourably (five points), with the likes of Nick Riewoldt and Josh J. Kennedy both ranking high in this statistic in recent seasons.

An uncontested mark from the opposition is worth four points, while an uncontested mark from a team mate isn’t as valuable and is worth just two points.

On the negative scale, if a player drops a mark directly from an opposition kick then he loses four points. Furthermore, a dropped mark from a team mate kick also results in a negative four point return.

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With all of this in mind, if we look at the opening round of the season it was Josh J. Kennedy that stole the show, recording a round-high 16 marks, which included recording four contested marks and three on the lead.

Overall, his score of 180 points was a round-high and 18 more than any other player in the AFL.

Teammate Nic Naitanui led the competition for contested marks with six, which was a career-high return.

He was the highest scoring ruckman in the league for the round courtesy of his 153 points, with last year’s top ranked player Todd Goldstein next best with 126. Goldstein ranked equal-second for the round with four contested marks.

SuperCoach surprise packet Rory Lobb was one of four ruckmen to record at least 100 points for the round. With Jeremy Cameron suspended and Jonathon Patton missing, Lobb was the leading target inside 50 with nine, also ranking No.1 for disposals (eight) and marks (five in that zone).

At his price he’s an option worth considering especially as he has dual position status and can be selected as a forward.

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Curious how a lead mark differs from an uncontested mark and why an uncontested mark from opposition does score more than from team mate.

EDIT: actually the table is wrong and it should say Uncontested Mark 2 not 4.
 
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Sounds like we are going to get a detailed look at the scoring throughout the year.

By the end we should have a pretty detailed list for reference.

Losing points for a dropped mark is unexpected and a bit harsh, lol
 

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Just read this article too.
Dropped marks lose points that's huge!
I always thought that when players drops mark they just lose the chance at gaining 2 or 4 points, not losing 4. A 6-8 pt differential can add up.

I would presume though dropped pack/contested marks wouldn't be penalised as it seems a bit unfair?
 

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Champion data posted the below on BF in regards to the weighting given to scoring which is dependent on the margin and time left in the game....

Champion Data said:
The weight is not subjective. It is a formula that is calculated live. The inputs to the formula are the time left in the game and the current margin. Nearly 2000 events per game go into ranking points across all players, and every event has a different weight applied.

The exact formula for the weights is considered commercial IP, but it is along the lines of:
(1+PDF(Current Margin)/C)/2 where C is a constant and PDF is the normal PDF with a mean of zero and a standard deviation proportional to the percentage of game time left at the time the stat happened.

Champion Data said:
normal PDF = probability density function for the normal (gaussian) distribution. Also known as a 'bell-curve'.

C is a constant, which means it's a set number that re-scales the result. It is a number close to 0.01.
 
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SuperCoach stat attack: How score assists help boost your score

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/d2a20e1a0b6b8eef66c9eece69292838

GOALKICKERS get the glory but players who create scoring chances can assist us to big SuperCoach scores.

Every week of the 2016 season Champion Data will lift the lid on the SuperCoach scoring system to unpack a stat that contributes to player scores.

This week the focus is on scoreboard impact.

Hitting the scoreboard provides a major boost to SuperCoach scoring no matter what position you play.

Scoreboard impact isn’t a measure of just goals and behinds, with a players’ ability to assist in a score also recognised.

Overall, scoreboard impact is the measure of a player’s total amount of points scored from goals and behinds plus points scored from score assists. Goal and goal assists are worth six points each in a player’ scoreboard impact total, with behinds and behind assists each worth one point.

From a SuperCoach perspective the goal is the ultimate reward, earning the player eight points in total. A behind is worth one point.

Assists are also extremely valuable. A player is rewarded with 3.5 points for both goal and score assists, so you’re not disadvantaged from a SuperCoach aspect if the player your man gave the ball to misses the goal.

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To be rewarded for a score assist a player has to deliver the ball to a teammate with an effective disposal with the possession immediately prior to the score. That can be via a kick, handball, knock-on or effective hitout.

If we look at the leading players in the competition for scoreboard impact after two rounds it’s key forwards that dominate the top five rankings, led by Josh J. Kennedy who has a combined contribution of 81 points. Of that tally, 74 were recorded in the season opener against Brisbane on the back of an eight-goal haul.

Adelaide’s Josh Jenkins has overshadowed skipper Taylor Walker this season, recording a contribution of 80 points, 51 more than Walker. Jenkins’ goal conversion has been a major highlight, recording a shot at goal accuracy of 82 per cent, which is the second-best strike rate of the top 10.

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[td]9[/td]
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[td]Sam Day[/td]
[td]Gold Coast[/td]
[td]9[/td]
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[td]Rory Sloane[/td]
[td]Adelaide[/td]
[td]6[/td]
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[td]Ryan Lester [/td]
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[td]6[/td]
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[td]Eddie Betts[/td]
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[td]5[/td]
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[td]Lance Franklin [/td]
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[td]5[/td]
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[td]Mark Blicavs[/td]
[td]Geelong[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]Kieren Jack[/td]
[td]Sydney[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]Pearce Hanley[/td]
[td]Brisbane[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]Nick Malceski[/td]
[td]Gold Coast[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]Dion Prestia [/td]
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[td]5[/td]
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[td]Joel Selwood[/td]
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[td]5[/td]
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[td]Jarrad Waite[/td]
[td]North Melbourne[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]David Zaharakis[/td]
[td]Essendon[/td]
[td]5[/td]
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[td]Michael Walters[/td]
[td]Fremantle[/td]
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(of players to have played two matches)

The best ranked general forwards are Alex Fasolo and Jack Martin with a contribution of 61 points. In the case of Fasolo, he has booted seven goals straight already this season and looks set to record career-best numbers across the board.

As well as his seven goals Fasolo has three goal assists and one behind assist in the first two rounds.

In terms of scoring shots, Kennedy and Franklin ranked equal No.1 with 14 apiece. Franklin’s goal conversion continues to elude him, recording the worst shot at goal accuracy of the top 10 (57 per cent).
 

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Gee learning a hell of a lot from these articles. First dropped marks losing points now Behind Assists!!

Funny how the behind assists score you more than the behind itself.
 

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Behind Assist 3.5 points!!
I'd actually always assumed that a behind assist was worth about the same as a goal assist, always thought that why should the assister be punished for their teammate missing the goal. I did however wonder if their was a degree of difficulty rating to the goal attempt to determine the reward for the assist however.
 

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This weeks agenda is Tackles!

The defensive aspect of SuperCoach is just as important as the offensive.

Teams have lifted in the tackling department with the competition average jumping to 67.4 per game – the second-biggest recorded in any season to date.

A tackle can be defined as using physical contact to prevent an opponent in possession of the ball from getting an effective disposal. If a player has on, two, or more players hanging off him and executes an effective kick or handball, then a tackle will not be awarded.

The most rewarding tackle in SuperCoach is the run down tackle that dispossess a player, or otherwise known as the Cyril Rioli chase-down. This act is rewarded with six SuperCoach points.

A standard tackle, when a player prevents his opponent from disposing of the ball, is worth four SuperCoach points.

If a player is tackled and records a clanger or ineffective disposal — for example, kicking the ball out on the full — the tackler is rewarded with a ‘tackled by’ stat. That is also worth four SuperCoach points.

And Champion Data also records ‘disposessed by’ which applies to players who have won possession but doesn’t get a disposal away.

TACKLES SUPERCOACH POINTS
Run-down tackle dispossessed 6
Tackle 4
Tackle from dispossessed 4
Tackle by 4
The leading tackler in the competition after four rounds is Andrew Swallow with 35, five more than any other player. He has built his game around relentless tackling and ranks second in the AFL for tackles since debuting in 2006.

Next best are Will Langford and Jack Ziebell with 30 tackles apiece, with the latter’s 19 against Melbourne in Round 3 making up most of his tally. Ziebell had just 19 disposals but scored 124 SuperCoach points that day.

PLAYER TACKLES
Andrew Swallow 35
Will Langford 30
Jack Ziebell 30
Patrick Cripps 29
Tom Mitchell 29
Scott Thompson 29
Luke Dahlhaus 28
Gary Ablett 27
Zach Merrett 27
Luke Shuey 26
Champion Data also analyses the effectiveness of a tackle. Tackle efficiency is calculated by the percentage of physical pressure acts that lead to an effective tackle. When using this as the measure, Ziebell’s tackle efficiency of 78.9 per cent is the best of the top 10 players in the competition for tackle attempts.


Essendon's Zach Merrett makes a great tackle on Patrick Dangerfield. Picture: Colleen Petch
At the opposing end of that scale is Shane Mumford, recording a tackle efficiency of 56.8 per cent – the lowest of that group. This is a stat Mitch Duncan might find surprising.

PLAYER TACKLE EFFICIENCY
Jack Ziebell 78.9
Andrew Swallow 72.9
Gary Ablett 67.5
Zach Merrett 67.5
Scott Thompson 67.4
Tom Mitchell 65.9
Patrick Cripps 64.4
Will Langford 63.8
Levi Greenwood 57.8
Shane Mumford 56.8
Winning a free kick for holding the ball is another way a player can be rewarded in SuperCoach for a tackle, with a free kick worth four points.

Adelaide’s Eddie Betts has won six holding the ball frees this year, the most in the comp ahead of Cyril Rioli, Patrick Cripps, Dayne Zorko, Paul Puopolo and Jamie Cripps (four each).

On the other side of the coin, Eagle Luke Shuey has been caught holding the ball more than any other player, giving up six frees for that offence in four games. Tom Hawkins is next worst with four.
Rowsus would love the mention of the distinguishing of possession and disposal here. :p

I think this might be why Papley might have been rewarded so heavily despite not getting so many stats as 'pressure acts' like dispossessing or forcing a clanger would score him 4 points despite not being recorded as a tackle on the stat sheet.
 
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I'm a bit puzzled about the varying terms used.

And Champion Data also records ‘disposessed by’ which applies to players who have won possession but doesn’t get a disposal away.

TACKLES SUPERCOACH POINTS
Run-down tackle dispossessed 6
Tackle 4
Tackle from dispossessed 4
Tackle by 4

Are they talking about the same thing? If so, is it talking about the tackler or the player with the ball?
 

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Kick in debate has been settled by CD. They always score 1 if effective and -4 if it's a clanger. I had thought long effective kick ins would score more, but that is not the case.

KICK-INS are when a player kicks the ball back into play after an opposition behind.

They are regarded as a function of the team and do not count as kicks, although they are similarly graded for quality. However, a kick-in to self does count as a kick for the player taking the kick in.

Kick-ins can have a positive or negative impact to SuperCoach scoring. An effective kick-in, whether it be long or short is awarded one point, but an ineffective kick has zero value associated with it.


Shannon Hurn is West Coast’s designated plater to bring the ball into play from a kick-in.
If a player directly turns the ball over from a kick-in, then he loses four points from his score.

If a kick-in goes directly out of bounds without anyone touching the ball, then this is also classified as a kick-in clanger and points are deducted accordingly.

KICK-INS SUPERCOACH POINTS
Kick-in: Effective 1
Kick-in: Long 1
Kick-in: Short 1
Kick-in: Ineffective 0
Kick-in: Clanger -4

Most teams have a designated kick-in player, while there are also some that share the duties around.

If we look at the leading kick-in players so far this season, Shannon Hurn ranks No.1 with 51 — seven more than Jasper Pittard. Surprisingly at Adelaide, however, Luke Brown has assumed the duties this season, taking over from Brodie Smith who led the club in this category in 2015.

Brown ranks equal-third for kick-ins alongside Tom Cutler.

PLAYER KICK-INS
Shannon Hurn 51
Jasper Pittard 44
Luke Brown 32
Tom Cutler 32
Grant Birchall 31
Christian Salem 30
Heath Shaw 28
Sam Docherty 28
Shane Savage 25
Jeremy Laidler 24
A kick-in to self is more than handy in SuperCoach, with that player earning a kick to his

match tally. These kicks are then part of general play, so they will be graded accordingly, that is, effective, ineffective or clanger.


Tom Cutler leads the AFL in this category, recording eight more than the next most player, Jasper Pittard. Shane Savage and Christian Salem are next best with 11 apiece.

PLAYER KICK-IN TO SELF
Tom Cutler 20
Jasper Pittard 12
Shane Savage 11
Christian Salem 11
Nathan Wilson 10
Bernie Vince 8
Bachar Houli 8
Dane Rampe 8
Jeremy Laidler 8
Sam Docherty 8
 

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You almost prefer to have defenders that don't kick in if that is the case. Much more to lose than gain it seems unless they're kicking it to themselves first.
 
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Kick in debate has been settled by CD. They always score 1 if effective and -4 if it's a clanger. I had thought long effective kick ins would score more, but that is not the case.
You're right, a "long kick in to advantage" is 3 points (1 for the kick in + 2 for the high quality kick), just like in normal play when it's 5 points (3 for the kick, 2 for the high quality kick).

I'm not sure what they mean by an 'effective kick', as long and short effective kicks are also listed below.
 

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You're right, a "long kick in to advantage" is 3 points (1 for the kick in + 2 for the high quality kick), just like in normal play when it's 5 points (3 for the kick, 2 for the high quality kick).

I'm not sure what they mean by an 'effective kick', as long and short effective kicks are also listed below.
I had thought it was like that but that interpretation seems to contradict the article. Does the 2 points for a high quality kick get added on for all effective kicks over 40 metres ? (I remember reading 40m were the magic number somewhere ages ago).

Interesting to see Pittard's numbers. It provides reason to why he's averaging 96 this season. Quite a few kicks in and kicks to self often to get an extra 2 points.
 
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I had thought it was like that but that interpretation seems to contradict the article. Does the 2 points for a high quality kick get added on for all effective kicks over 40 metres ? (I remember reading 40m were the magic number somewhere ages ago).

Interesting to see Pittard's numbers. It provides reason to why he's averaging 96 this season. Quite a few kicks in and kicks to self often to get an extra 2 points.
There is a distinct difference between an effective long kick (1 point from a kick in or 3 in general play) and a long kick to advantage (3 or 5).

An effective long kick is a kick to a 50/50 or to a pack, while a long kick to advantage means it's a kick that favours a teamate, allowing them to take an uncontested mark (a rare occurance) or possibly even a mark on lead (I'm not 100 % sure when it becomes 'to advantage').
 

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CD posted about spoils. This might explain the Rance debate! He earns 15 ppg from spoils.

ONE statistic that often gets overlooked in SuperCoach is a spoil. A spoil is when a player knocks the ball away from a marking contest which prevents an opponent from taking a mark.

Spoils can be broken down into three categories, all with a different points value.

If a spoil results in your teammate gaining possession, then an effective spoil will be rewarded. If the spoil directly results in an opposition player winning possession, then the spoil is deemed ineffective and will gain the player just one point.

If the spoil results in a stoppage, then it will deemed as neutral.

SPOILS SUPERCOACH POINTS
Spoil Neutral 2
Spoil: Effective 4
Spoil: Ineffective 1
It’s no surprise that key defenders dominate the spoils category as they should given the role they play. The No.1 spoiler in the competition is Jack Hombsch, well ahead of cross-town rival Daniel Talia. Sam Rowe, Tom McDonald and Robbie Tarrant round out the top five in that order.

PLAYER SPOILS
Jack Hombsch 103 103
Daniel Talia 89
Sam Rowe 85
Tom McDonald 82
Robbie Tarrant 79
Josh Gibson 77
Dane Rampe 75
Ben Stratton 73
Zac Dawson 70
Alex Rance 68
Gaining possession from a teammates spoil is extremely effective not only for the spoiler for the team too, often relieving pressure on your defence. Sam Rowe leads the way this season, slightly ahead of Jack Hombsch and Daniel Talia.


PLAYER CLUB EFFECTIVE SPOILS
Sam Rowe Carlton 33
Jack Hombsch Port Adelaide 32
Daniel Talia Adelaide 31
Jack Frost Collingwood 29
Robbie Tarrant North Melbourne 28
Marcus Adams Western Bulldogs 27
Josh Gibson Hawthorn 27
Harry Taylor Geelong 26
Sean Dempster St Kilda 24
Sam Fisher St Kilda 23
Although an ineffective spoil doesn’t lose you points it will net you three points less than what an effective spoil does. Daniel Talia, Tom McDonald and Zac Dawson rank in the top-three players at the halfway stage of 2016.

PLAYER CLUB INEFFECTIVE SPOILS
Daniel Talia Adelaide 38
Tom McDonald Melbourne 34
Zac Dawson Fremantle 32
Jack Hombsch Port Adelaide 28
James Frawley Hawthorn 28
Harris Andrews Brisbane Lions 28
Michael Hartley Essendon 26
Josh Gibson Hawthorn 25
Sam Fisher St Kilda 24
Dane Rampe Sydney Swans 24
Port Adelaide’s Jack Hombsch has generated the most SuperCoach points per game from spoils this season, averaging 18 per game. Steven May isn’t far behind averaging 17 per game, with Sam Rowe and Harris Andrews averaging 16 SuperCoach points each from spoils.

PLAYER CLUB POINTS PER GAME FROM SPOILS
Jack Hombsch Port Adelaide 18
Steven May Gold Coast Suns 17
Sam Rowe Carlton 16
Harris Andrews Brisbane Lions 16
Jack Frost Collingwood 15
Alex Rance Richmond 15
Phil Davis GWS Giants 14
Josh Gibson Hawthorn 14
Robbie Tarrant North Melbourne 14
Sam Fisher St Kilda 13
 

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Never occured to me that spoils were scored into three categories but makes sense to do so.
 
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