The KEY 2015 Supercoach Questions

[krk004]

My 2c;

- 90 is the new 100 in the backline, pick players you think who will play most games and ave 90+
- most good rookies are mids, continue to use mid bench for $$ generation
- pick most durable rucks
- extend your SC memory from only one year back to 3 years and you might see a few more premium players at a value price
- a car isn't cheap if it doesn't work and you never get to drive it (I can think of a handful of defenders who fit this analogy)
- Nathan Van Berlo is looking under-appreciated for SC at this point in time IMO

FWIW

 

[Rickwood]

My 2c;

- 90 is the new 100 in the backline, pick players you think who will play most games and ave 90+
- most good rookies are mids, continue to use mid bench for $$ generation
- pick most durable rucks
- extend your SC memory from only one year back to 3 years and you might see a few more premium players at a value price
- a car isn't cheap if it doesn't work and you never get to drive it (I can think of a handful of defenders who fit this analogy)
- Nathan Van Berlo is looking under-appreciated for SC at this point in time IMO

FWIW

Well said!
Added to the 90 is the new 100, I won't spend over 500k for defenders. I see WhiteX as this year's Ellis
I had a set and forget ruck combo last year (Sauce and Sandi), and am hoping it's sustainable strategy again
The Crows absolutely love VB, and he'll be a welcome addition. If he doesn't make me 200k I'll go jump

 

[johno686]

• What do you do with M11, do you use it to generate $$$ or as a NPR to loophole throughout the season?
M11 for me will go to a playing rookie to make me cash. Not every week will will have a full team including bench playing, this happens all the time so not wasting a spot on a non playing rookie in the mid field.

• In what capacity do you use R3? Purely as a cheap NPR with Ruc/Fwd DPP (would most likely lead to Ryder/Bellchamber etc in fwd line) or do you try and pick a playing ruck?
At the moment i think this will be a non playing ruck. Most years i havnt had a playing play in this spot so why change.

• How do you approach your backline? With the loss of so many top scores there is a distinct lack of quality options do you go with multiple premiums, one premium and mid pricers or mid pricers and rookies?
For me rule 500k is a must and just wait and see with the rookies and hope there's 3 to 4 playing. Value players might have to be picked here who can get you 90 every week.

• Conversely with the glut of Mid/Fwd options do you start with an ultra premium FWD line?
Alot of M/F will be picked for me in this spot. It all goes on how many rookies are playing if 4 i will be stoked.

• How many ultra premium Mids do you start with? Savings can be made in the backline and with some midpricers in your RUC, how many will you start with?
I normally go 3 ultra premo 600+ players with 2 more over 500k. With the extra mid rookie this should always be the first line upgraded to get you score.

 

[Babylove]

• What do you do with M11, do you use it to generate $$$ or as a NPR to loophole throughout the season?
Definitely generating cash.

• In what capacity do you use R3? Purely as a cheap NPR with Ruc/Fwd DPP (would most likely lead to Ryder/Bellchamber etc in fwd line) or do you try and pick a playing ruck?
As there isn't any rookies likely to play I'm thinking getting Cox and then getting a Ryder/Bellchambers into the forward line.

• How do you approach your backline? With the loss of so many top scores there is a distinct lack of quality options do you go with multiple premiums, one premium and mid pricers or mid pricers and rookies?
The $64k question which strategy do you take. I am definitely considering taking mid pricers and rookies here, with the likes of Waters and Whitecross if fit likely to be good value. Nathan Brown is cheap and if fit will play every game this year, but buyer beware, he's a lousy SC scorer when fit. There is definitely no expensive defenders you look at and say there is a lock good score almost every week the way you do with the forward and midfielders, so maybe going light here and building once the must have's emerge is the way to go

• Conversely with the glut of Mid/Fwd options do you start with an ultra premium FWD line?
Definitely thinking of loading up. There is also some good value here with the likes of Swan and Ziebell under $500k. You have to load up here if your going light in the defence.

• How many ultra premium Mids do you start with? Savings can be made in the backline and with some midpricers in your RUC, how many will you start with?
Either 5 ultra premiums of 4 ultra premiums and 1 premium. Van Berlo then for M6 and rookies for the remaining spots.

 

[Rickwood]

• What do you do with M11, do you use it to generate $$$ or as a NPR to loophole throughout the season?
Words to live by here people - cash is king!

• In what capacity do you use R3? Purely as a cheap NPR with Ruc/Fwd DPP (would most likely lead to Ryder/Bellchamber etc in fwd line) or do you try and pick a playing ruck?
Set and forget, with Nankervis? at R3.

• How do you approach your backline? With the loss of so many top scores there is a distinct lack of quality options do you go with multiple premiums, one premium and mid pricers or mid pricers and rookies?
Value players might have to be picked here who can avg 90, and hopefully Eski takes some time finding his groove for my upgrade. WhiteX and Muddy Waters will be my saviours

• Conversely with the glut of Mid/Fwd options do you start with an ultra premium FWD line?
Considering 3/4 plus Mitchell - I won't learn from last year. Depends on the next question

• How many ultra premium Mids do you start with? Savings can be made in the backline and with some midpricers in your RUC, how many will you start with?
3 Ultras - Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood. Same as every year . Heppell over Watson this year. I see Griffen as value. VB as my "back from injury" mid, then rooks - Heeney, Freeman, Laverde and my boy Jack Steele all but pick themselves - in December that is

 

[Drew]

• What do you do with M11, do you use it to generate $$$ or as a NPR to loophole throughout the season?

Both, early cash generation is king, but i suspect the extra position will allow us to offload at least one rookie at our own (perceived) optimum timing whilst bringing potentially a non playing m/f to bolster our squad once we've wasted our trades later in the season (c'mon tell me you don't).

• In what capacity do you use R3? Purely as a cheap NPR with Ruc/Fwd DPP (would most likely lead to Ryder/Bellchamber etc in fwd line) or do you try and pick a playing ruck?

Thinking of going Luenburger AND Kruezer with the $103k DPP NPR linked to Ryder. Will need to see in time time that Ryder with be getting enough ruck time and kicking a goal or 2 a game forward and the cheap ruck options look ok. Like the cheap approach though.

• How do you approach your backline? With the loss of so many top scores there is a distinct lack of quality options do you go with multiple premiums, one premium and mid pricers or mid pricers and rookies?

Gotta go cheap this year i reckon, not many expensive options anyway, Malceski naturally will have question marks being at a new club and Heath Shaw is always consistant but also seems to miss a few games, Burgoyne may be handy with DPP, but the most expensive i've gone in my first draft is Birchall at $477k, then Lumumba.

• Conversely with the glut of Mid/Fwd options do you start with an ultra premium FWD line?

The short answer is yes. Picking the ones that will consistantly give you MID scores in your forward line and not frustrating 80's and 90's is one of the enduring Supercoach mysterys

• How many ultra premium Mids do you start with? Savings can be made in the backline and with some midpricers in your RUC, how many will you start with?

Have 2 in Pendles and Selwood in the first draft and 3 if you count Sloane although he's a bit more specualtive if you're using the words "Ultra Premium"

 

[freowho]

Who gets picked as that third ultra premo is key too isn't it! Selwood/Fyfe etc

It was interesting in your winning year Dimmawit that you started with Kennedy who played 15 points worse than his 2012 average, and Cotchin who played 10 points worse than his 2012 average yet you kept them for the whole year. You even used them as C and VC in round 4 instead of Gaz and Pendles who had better scores. Your trading elsewhere on the ground must have been spectacular. My lesson from your review was just to keep upgrading your team regardless of how disappointing a few players might be.
For anyone who hasn't seen it it's on the home page and its an awesome review. Your use of photobucket is bordering on supercoachporn!!!

 

[IDIG]

5 star thread guys. I'm on hols at the moment so can't respond but loving the responses/discussion!

 

[Erich1036]

I've got a new question for you all. What's the bigger priority, the better rookie or the better premium.

Let me paint a scenario:

Option 1 - 350k defender and 200k midfield rookie
Option 2 - 450k defender and 100k midfield rookie

The 450k defender is by far and away your preferred option and is a player you see as being vital to doing well this year in SC, but to get to them you have to drop a 200k midfield rookie who is the safest of rookies, with maximum job security and likely to score well and go up a lot in value.

Which way do go you about this?

For the sake of this exercise, let's pretend you are set on the rest of the team and the 100k to get the 450k defender can't come from elsewhere on the team. It's either drop the 200k midfield rookie or be stuck with a 350k mid-price defender you aren't 100% keen on.

 

[Rowsus]

I've got a new question for you all. What's the bigger priority, the better rookie or the better premium.

Let me paint a scenario:

Option 1 - 350k defender and 200k midfield rookie
Option 2 - 450k defender and 100k midfield rookie

The 450k defender is by far and away your preferred option and is a player you see as being vital to doing well this year in SC, but to get to them you have to drop a 200k midfield rookie who is the safest of rookies, with maximum job security and likely to score well and go up a lot in value.

Which way do go you about this?

For the sake of this exercise, let's pretend you are set on the rest of the team and the 100k to get the 450k defender can't come from elsewhere on the team. It's either drop the 200k midfield rookie or be stuck with a 350k mid-price defender you aren't 100% keen on.

Option 1 has 2 risky players, and has 2 future trades locked in.
Option 2 has 1 risky rookie, and a player who you are backing in to be a keeper, so it has only one future trade locked in.
Option 2 every time.
There is no guarantee the 100k rookie will be that much worse than the 200k rookie, but you seem pretty certain the 450k Def will run rings around the 350k option.

 

[DeliciousJedi]

If Sandilands goes down I will lock Clarke into my forward line. Right now I have Bellchambers there. Gawn and Lycett on the watchlist as well.

Out of interest, does anyone have the stats for how Ryder did with a second ruck (Hille/Bellchambers) and without? Would be good to compare last 2-3 years of that data.

With the midfield I think the risk of having a loophole player is less this year, so if you said yes to a Bye Loophole Player last year, you'd be doing the same. Also I think DPP is now a must, you must have a forward/back rookie - and one of them could be most likely the loophole guy. I'd say backs, because looking at the DPP there and it sucks.

 

[Grant]

If Sandilands goes down I will lock Clarke into my forward line. Right now I have Bellchambers there. Gawn and Lycett on the watchlist as well.

Out of interest, does anyone have the stats for how Ryder did with a second ruck (Hille/Bellchambers) and without? Would be good to compare last 2-3 years of that data.

With the midfield I think the risk of having a loophole player is less this year, so if you said yes to a Bye Loophole Player last year, you'd be doing the same. Also I think DPP is now a must, you must have a forward/back rookie - and one of them could be most likely the loophole guy. I'd say backs, because looking at the DPP there and it sucks.

If Bellchambers is the no.1 ruck then he'll probably average high 90s. If he shares it with Giles they could both be fairly SC irrelevant.

I'm considering Bellchambers but to pick him I'll have to put done the disastrous performances this season I saw down to injury problems. The game in Sydney was particularly atrocious (full game of 33pts with just 3 disposals).

 

[DeliciousJedi]

I had a brief look at Ryder, in 2013 he played 3 games by himself and averaged over 100, but in 2012 he was always with someone else and still scored highly.

I think the biggest factor with Ryder is his durability.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Have decided to have a look at answering these questions...

• What do you do with M11, do you use it to generate $$$ or as a NPR to loophole throughout the season?

To start the year I'll be looking at using my M11 to generate cash, as the season progresses though I believe I will probably look to have a DPP floating donut to utilise the various loopholes.

• In what capacity do you use R3? Purely as a cheap NPR with Ruc/Fwd DPP (would most likely lead to Ryder/Bellchamber etc in fwd line) or do you try and pick a playing ruck?

Wont be starting with Ryder or Bellchambers, and ideally with only one ruck bench player required I'd like to have a playing R3. Currently I've been looking at Rory Lobb of GWS.

• How do you approach your backline? With the loss of so many top scores there is a distinct lack of quality options do you go with multiple premiums, one premium and mid pricers or mid pricers and rookies?

Will look to put as many rookies in there as possible, however only ones that are going to score half decently. Going to struggle to find them but hopefully a couple will pop up closer to round 1. At the moment I have Hibberd and Brodie Smith as my higher end defenders.

• Conversely with the glut of Mid/Fwd options do you start with an ultra premium FWD line?

Have Dustin Martin, Harley Bennell and Goddard at the moment, could also add Deledio if I get rid of Buddy depending on how I feel, and if Tom Micthell looks good and gets a game then he will come into the picture as well. Probably looking to start with 5 FWD's that I believe will be keepers for the year.

• How many ultra premium Mids do you start with? Savings can be made in the backline and with some midpricers in your RUC, how many will you start with?

Will be starting with 4 or 5 ultra-premiums in the midfield. The rest rookies.

 

[krk004]

A lack of good defensive rookies may see D8 become the new R4.

Midfield rookies are usually ample, so M11 needs to be retained for $$ purposes.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Trading - given league starts round 2 yet prices are not updating till round 3, do people think that those playing for league wins will start trading earlier. Just putting it out there.

For league season end a week earlier. On commencement of round 2 you will be able to see people's teams.

I wonder whether this will change trading behaviour. I have seen one past winner (i think) who did trade round 2, maybe dimmawits.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Thought I put my question here as really would love to here some thoughts on this area of the effect of having more than just 2 expensive rookies in team.
This is really a question directed to experienced coaches like Phil, Ben , Jay, Aps , Obie or any others that regularly been right in the mix for SC success over more than one season.
Right now I been planning on getting Vanberlo in my team this weekend by virtue of him looking to be having good JS and good prospects to make between $150 and $200K profit as a cash cow. However I am slightly concerned at this moment that it will be another expensive cash cow in my squad and starting to wonder the side effects that could have on my overall game for season ahead. Never had this many before so it is an area of unknown territory for me in Supercoach game.
I have Sheed, Cripps, Salem. I have no strong desire to trade any out when still think they can make handy profit. Also Mitch Clark is not dirt cheap for a cash cow in team which I have too. Even though Vanberlo looks a near certainly to make cash is there some real danger this could have some other side effect on my team to my disadvantage to have so many expensive cash cow types?
One thing is clear. It is a bit harder to milk them early because their starting price is a lot higher than just $110K for example so it tends to mean they will need to take longer to milk. Especially Cripps because he missed a game already.
Just having second thoughts of whether to actually trade Touk Miller to Vanberlo and use a trade that could be handy having up sleeve later on. I am not totally given up on hope Miller can turn his form around and still make some cash but with two poor scores it is not a good start. I just wonder if I trade cheap Miller to Vanberlo I am starting to invest too much cash in expensive cash cows. Can there be one too many of these types ?
Thoughts of any of you guys would be appreciated of the pros and cons of having so many expensive cash cows in squad.

 

[Philzsay]

Thought I put my question here as really would love to here some thoughts on this area of the effect of having more than just 2 expensive rookies in team.
This is really a question directed to experienced coaches like Phil, Ben , Jay, Aps , Obie or any others that regularly been right in the mix for SC success over more than one season.
Right now I been planning on getting Vanberlo in my team this weekend by virtue of him looking to be having good JS and good prospects to make between $150 and $200K profit as a cash cow. However I am slightly concerned at this moment that it will be another expensive cash cow in my squad and starting to wonder the side effects that could have on my overall game for season ahead. Never had this many before so it is an area of unknown territory for me in Supercoach game.
I have Sheed, Cripps, Salem. I have no strong desire to trade any out when still think they can make handy profit. Also Mitch Clark is not dirt cheap for a cash cow in team which I have too. Even though Vanberlo looks a near certainly to make cash is there some real danger this could have some other side effect on my team to my disadvantage to have so many expensive cash cow types?
One thing is clear. It is a bit harder to milk them early because their starting price is a lot higher than just $110K for example so it tends to mean they will need to take longer to milk. Especially Cripps because he missed a game already.
Just having second thoughts of whether to actually trade Touk Miller to Vanberlo and use a trade that could be handy having up sleeve later on. I am not totally given up on hope Miller can turn his form around and still make some cash but with two poor scores it is not a good start. I just wonder if I trade cheap Miller to Vanberlo I am starting to invest too much cash in expensive cash cows. Can there be one too many of these types ?
Thoughts of any of you guys would be appreciated of the pros and cons of having so many expensive cash cows in squad.

Firstly I think it would be a different answer to this question if it was asked pre season or in season. In preseason the first question I would ask if I had 4 expensive rookies is if I could replace them with cheaper versions that do almost the same job and use the spare cash to bring in an extra premium.

However in season it's not like you can simply restructure your entire team. At this part of the season I think the main concern around trading in rookies is ensuring they will earn you cash. If you think the dearer rookie will earn the most cash then I wouldn't be put off simply because you already have 3 or more other expensive rookies. The main reason I would go with what you would consider to be an inferior but cheaper rookie is if you think you can use that 100k odd cash to better your team elsewhere in another trade in the next week or two.

In conclusion, I'd probably look at the Miller to Van Berlo trade in isolation. Is the cash the NVB will generate quicker than Miller worth using one of your 30 trades, plus 99k from your bank, on?

 

[baz_machine]

Firstly I think it would be a different answer to this question if it was asked pre season or in season. In preseason the first question I would ask if I had 4 expensive rookies is if I could replace them with cheaper versions that do almost the same job and use the spare cash to bring in an extra premium.

However in season it's not like you can simply restructure your entire team. At this part of the season I think the main concern around trading in rookies is ensuring they will earn you cash. If you think the dearer rookie will earn the most cash then I wouldn't be put off simply because you already have 3 or more other expensive rookies. The main reason I would go with what you would consider to be an inferior but cheaper rookie is if you think you can use that 100k odd cash to better your team elsewhere in another trade in the next week or two.

In conclusion, I'd probably look at the Miller to Van Berlo trade in isolation. Is the cash the NVB will generate quicker than Miller worth using one of your 30 trades, plus 99k from your bank, on?

And the answer to that is

NVB expected price rise - Miller expected price rise
Plus
You'll be playing NVB over your current M8 (eg vandenberg) so NVB points - M8 points
Minus $99k bank

So let's say NVB gets to $450 k @ trade time, Miller $300 k, NVB scores 85 ppg vs M8 80 ppg. Let assume we do this in 6 weeks time.

Therefore $450 k - $300 k = $150 k
Plus
(85 - 80) * 6 = 30
Minus
$99 k from bank

So you have made $51 k and 30 points from 1 trade.

Now you can change the estimates to what you think will happen.

To me it's a No because I think Miller will get a decent price rise eventually and as long as you have all the other rookies coming thru you can afford 1 or 2 to slowly rise as you cant cull them all at once.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Thanks guys.
Really appreciate the feedback. Given me food for thought.
For what it is worth I am projecting NVB to not average much over 75 to 80 so it feels a tricky one.