Discussion Re-Signings, Retirements, Delistings, Trade & Drafting
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Trigs take.
Here's a wild idea in relation to compo picks.
If you have won a club b&f, coaches player of the year, brownlow or Copeland in the last 3 years then the team receives pick 4, if they want to leave.
Let's face it it would take a heap of $$ to pry them loose as they are the superstars so the club loosing the player gets pick 4.
Buddy pick 4 not 19. Happy Hawks.
Good picks at 4 - bont, brayshaw etc..
Reasonable compensation.
ie if Sheezel was offered a truck load to go play for tiges.
Outside of that you start at the end of first round and use the hocus pocus AFL formula to work out compensation.
Seems more logical to me.
Here's a wild idea in relation to compo picks.
If you have won a club b&f, coaches player of the year, brownlow or Copeland in the last 3 years then the team receives pick 4, if they want to leave.
Let's face it it would take a heap of $$ to pry them loose as they are the superstars so the club loosing the player gets pick 4.
Buddy pick 4 not 19. Happy Hawks.
Good picks at 4 - bont, brayshaw etc..
Reasonable compensation.
ie if Sheezel was offered a truck load to go play for tiges.
Outside of that you start at the end of first round and use the hocus pocus AFL formula to work out compensation.
Seems more logical to me.
A thought that just occurred to me is that, for all its difficulties, the BBL does in fact have a draft. If you don't follow it, the overseas players all go into a draft pool every season - but each club has the option to retain one of their players, using their pick from the same round.
Emphasis very much on purpose. Have all your academy and your father sons and your bidding process, but force the team matching to use their pick from the current round. Don't have one? Too bad.
Maybe this isn't fair on a lower ranked team that has an aligned player expected to go, say, 5-10 - too low to waste a top three pick but too high to risk letting them get to the next round. You could either accept that as a risk of the system, or say the team has to have a pick within the next 18 to be allowed to match with it.
It doesn't have to be limited to one pick per club, either. You could if you wanted, but say you have the current situation where Gold Coast are looking at a few aligned players, you could allow one match per round, or two total, or anything you wanted really.
I'm sure I've missed a really obvious reason why this doesn't make sense because I could swear matching used to happen like this. But it feels way less complicated than the current system while still preserving things like F/S which are integral to the league.
Anyway, all of this is straying from the really important off season question...
How will Harry and Ben manage to miss each other this time???
Emphasis very much on purpose. Have all your academy and your father sons and your bidding process, but force the team matching to use their pick from the current round. Don't have one? Too bad.
Maybe this isn't fair on a lower ranked team that has an aligned player expected to go, say, 5-10 - too low to waste a top three pick but too high to risk letting them get to the next round. You could either accept that as a risk of the system, or say the team has to have a pick within the next 18 to be allowed to match with it.
It doesn't have to be limited to one pick per club, either. You could if you wanted, but say you have the current situation where Gold Coast are looking at a few aligned players, you could allow one match per round, or two total, or anything you wanted really.
I'm sure I've missed a really obvious reason why this doesn't make sense because I could swear matching used to happen like this. But it feels way less complicated than the current system while still preserving things like F/S which are integral to the league.
Anyway, all of this is straying from the really important off season question...
How will Harry and Ben manage to miss each other this time???
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North Melbourne:
2022 2nd and 3rd round priority picks
2023 pick 3 (ridiculous) compensation, pick 21 priority
2024 2x late first round priority picks
That's on top of pick 3 & pick 13 2020, pick 1 2021, pick 3&4 2022 and pick 2 2023 which are justified.
Why the hell does an established club need such massive assistance from the AFL? Why the hell are they gifted picks in next year's draft before we even see how they go?? With so many early picks the last 3 years why can't the AFL just let them run their own race??
It's infuriating. It's reward for incompetence. There are no extenuating circumstances. If you pick crap coaches and draft poorly why should the rest of the comp suffer?
THEY DIDN'T EVEN FINISH LAST
2022 2nd and 3rd round priority picks
2023 pick 3 (ridiculous) compensation, pick 21 priority
2024 2x late first round priority picks
That's on top of pick 3 & pick 13 2020, pick 1 2021, pick 3&4 2022 and pick 2 2023 which are justified.
Why the hell does an established club need such massive assistance from the AFL? Why the hell are they gifted picks in next year's draft before we even see how they go?? With so many early picks the last 3 years why can't the AFL just let them run their own race??
It's infuriating. It's reward for incompetence. There are no extenuating circumstances. If you pick crap coaches and draft poorly why should the rest of the comp suffer?
THEY DIDN'T EVEN FINISH LAST
I will admit, that I haven't fully thought this through, but ......,
How about instead of a draft order, players are auctioned off?
The number of draft points you have is your bidding currency.
Every club must draft/buy at least 3 players, and players have a minimum price of 200 points.
The auction order is made by someone with good junior nous, like Kevin Sheehan.
If a clubs desperate for a player, then a Reid might go for 5,000 points. Smart clubs will fare well, and the middle and late bidding becomes a real moneyball game!!!
How about instead of a draft order, players are auctioned off?
The number of draft points you have is your bidding currency.
Every club must draft/buy at least 3 players, and players have a minimum price of 200 points.
The auction order is made by someone with good junior nous, like Kevin Sheehan.
If a clubs desperate for a player, then a Reid might go for 5,000 points. Smart clubs will fare well, and the middle and late bidding becomes a real moneyball game!!!
Surely the Roos will be contenders in 2024. They will have 19 players drafted 20 or better in their team, plus two top 2 mid season draft picks and a #1 rookie draft pick as a minimum. No other club would come close to that.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
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Thanks for letting me know your thoughts, it's always good insight to get it from a Hawks fan.
Respectfully, I'm not sold on 25 being a good deal for us. There were a handful of KPF that the Hawks ran through this year and none of them looked impressive - which would include Jacob. Fergus was looking like he was primed to have a good second half of the season, but he fell off a cliff once Lewis came back. I'm not even sure the Hawks know what to do with Denver Grainger-Barras - is he a backman or a forward?
I don't think we are going to draft anything better, but in principle, I wouldn't be happy with using pick 25. I think the Hawks wanting another KPF like Chol and sending pick 48 up to GC hopefully works out because it's the best scenario for each team.
Respectfully, I'm not sold on 25 being a good deal for us. There were a handful of KPF that the Hawks ran through this year and none of them looked impressive - which would include Jacob. Fergus was looking like he was primed to have a good second half of the season, but he fell off a cliff once Lewis came back. I'm not even sure the Hawks know what to do with Denver Grainger-Barras - is he a backman or a forward?
I don't think we are going to draft anything better, but in principle, I wouldn't be happy with using pick 25. I think the Hawks wanting another KPF like Chol and sending pick 48 up to GC hopefully works out because it's the best scenario for each team.
Surely the Roos will be contenders in 2024. They will have 19 players drafted 20 or better in their team, plus two top 2 mid season draft picks and a #1 rookie draft pick as a minimum. No other club would come close to that.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
While I'd love it to be true, I don't think we'll jump up that quickly in 2024: most of those players are still young and need to build experience. Only 8 players on our list have played 100 games (the grand finalists this year had 15 and 19 respectively) and of all those players listed above, only Simpkin, Corr, McDonald and Logue are over 25.
This is a crucial draft for us. If we get it right, we'll have a really strong core of younger players that could be great in a few years. But I don't think you'll see that group win a whole lot of games when their average age is 22 or less.
Surely the Roos will be contenders in 2024. They will have 19 players drafted 20 or better in their team, plus two top 2 mid season draft picks and a #1 rookie draft pick as a minimum. No other club would come close to that.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
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Surely the Roos will be contenders in 2024. They will have 19 players drafted 20 or better in their team, plus two top 2 mid season draft picks and a #1 rookie draft pick as a minimum. No other club would come close to that.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
Phillips 3
Sheezel 3
LDU 4
Wardlaw 4
Stephens 5
Stephenson 6
Logue 8
McDonald 8
Thomas 8
Bonar 11
Simpkin 12
Powell 13
Corr 14
CCJ 20
Picks 2, 3, 15, 17 and 18 this year
Dawson (Mid 2)
Hansen (Mid 2)
Drury (Rookie 1)
Plus more compensation to come in 2024.
I didn't realise they had quite that many top picks on their list. No excuses if they continue to finish near the bottom.
Hopefully this can be the last of it and I can get back to enjoying logging on here and reading people's thoughts, who I value greatly, rather than feeling like I have defend my side for trying to stand up for itself. Rant over
I'm going to be honest here, he is not worth pick 25. I'd love that, but it's more likely a late 2nd, or early 3rd rounder pick, or around the 30-40 range that is his true value. Was just trying to upsell him there.
Whether Richmond get him even cheaper, guess we'll see. Could happen. I doubt there's more than 40-50 players drafted in total this year from what I am hearing, so pick 48 probably won't even get used - you would be getting him for basically nothing.
Whether Richmond get him even cheaper, guess we'll see. Could happen. I doubt there's more than 40-50 players drafted in total this year from what I am hearing, so pick 48 probably won't even get used - you would be getting him for basically nothing.
Apologies if it came off as a dig at North. I honestly thought they had about half that many top draftees until I went through their list, that's it. Upon further reflection on game numbers etc, next year is still possibly slightly early for the Roos to be contenders, but that's a damn strong core of players they will have there. They will definitely improve quickly.
I'm not going to have a crack at any club for asking for assistance - the Hawks used this well in the early 2000's after all, so it would be hypocritical to do so. It may seem a bit excessive what was given this time, but that's purely on the AFL, not North.
I do have an issue with the compensation given for McKay, who happened to be a North player, but again, that's the AFL who stuffed that up. It is a stupid compensation system, and I have never liked it.
Slow trade day, no real new rumours, trades or anything much that I am aware of. We all know most of the action will happen on the final day, Wednesday next week. Should be 3 days max for the trade period, rather than the 8 or 9 it currently is, as this happens every year. Again that's on the AFL, bit of a theme here...
I'm not going to have a crack at any club for asking for assistance - the Hawks used this well in the early 2000's after all, so it would be hypocritical to do so. It may seem a bit excessive what was given this time, but that's purely on the AFL, not North.
I do have an issue with the compensation given for McKay, who happened to be a North player, but again, that's the AFL who stuffed that up. It is a stupid compensation system, and I have never liked it.
Slow trade day, no real new rumours, trades or anything much that I am aware of. We all know most of the action will happen on the final day, Wednesday next week. Should be 3 days max for the trade period, rather than the 8 or 9 it currently is, as this happens every year. Again that's on the AFL, bit of a theme here...
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I'm going to be honest here, he is not worth pick 25. I'd love that, but it's more likely a late 2nd, or early 3rd rounder pick, or around the 30-40 range that is his true value. Was just trying to upsell him there.
Whether Richmond get him even cheaper, guess we'll see. Could happen. I doubt there's more than 40-50 players drafted in total this year from what I am hearing, so pick 48 probably won't even get used - you would be getting him for basically nothing.
Whether Richmond get him even cheaper, guess we'll see. Could happen. I doubt there's more than 40-50 players drafted in total this year from what I am hearing, so pick 48 probably won't even get used - you would be getting him for basically nothing.
)Does seem like a bit of a weak draft from all voices I've heard from, but I am hoping for something that works out for all parties concerned.
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Hearing Harley Reid over the last couple of days... I've seen and heard enough, West Coast just need to come out today and say Harley is the kind of person we really want at our football club. We are no longer considering trading the pick, no matter the offer. Some people you can’t put a price on.
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