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I guess I'm old, and I don't quite get the new sensibilities. In my mind it's just a word, and words used by people you don't care about, and/or don't respect, should never really have that great an effect on you. You should be more in the mind of "I thought you were better than that". If you don't know the person at all then, "why would I care what you say/think?". It's just a reflection of life, and society today, that we allow people to be too precious, and feel we have to protect people that are or want to be too precious. If you allow the words of people you don't know/respect to hurt you, or have an effect on you, you are just a ticking time bomb, and it's just a matter of time until something blows you up.
How on earth, the use of a single word, can be seen to be 3 times worse than a dangerous tackle, which truly does have the potential to actually hurt someone, is beyond me. Is it nice to use words like that? No. Does it have the potential to cause the person it was used against to miss games, or have life long injuries from it? I can only say if the answer is yes, or even maybe, then it's not a case of if it will happen, but when, and that person needs to get to work on finding some tools to deal with such things, because surely life will give them bigger obstacles than an errant word, from someone they don't know/respect!
How on earth, the use of a single word, can be seen to be 3 times worse than a dangerous tackle, which truly does have the potential to actually hurt someone, is beyond me. Is it nice to use words like that? No. Does it have the potential to cause the person it was used against to miss games, or have life long injuries from it? I can only say if the answer is yes, or even maybe, then it's not a case of if it will happen, but when, and that person needs to get to work on finding some tools to deal with such things, because surely life will give them bigger obstacles than an errant word, from someone they don't know/respect!
Can't say I agree with you there. Of course there is a gradation of slurs! The swear filter stops me from giving too specific example, but to say all slurs are equal is a little ridiculous. To call someone a moron can be seen as a slur. To say someone is so stupid, that it is usually only seen in a child a mother might produce by having sex with her own son is a whole other level!
To quote Big Bang Theory.
Sheldon: "There are no gradations of wrong. You are either wrong, or you're not!"
Stuart: "Au contraire. To say a tomato is a vegetable is a little wrong. To say a tomato is a suspension bridge is a whole other level of wrong!".
To quote Big Bang Theory.
Sheldon: "There are no gradations of wrong. You are either wrong, or you're not!"
Stuart: "Au contraire. To say a tomato is a vegetable is a little wrong. To say a tomato is a suspension bridge is a whole other level of wrong!".
I get what you’re saying but I think the reality is, as long as a reference to a group is used in a derogatory way, and it is tolerated, it sends a message that the group is “less than”, and for a members that group it’s only a small step from being seen that way to being treated that way.
While words can have real hurt and the mental toll can be great, it’s the broader perception that is just as important. There is no place to use a grouping as a way of putting people down, whether that grouping is race, sexuality, disability or any other group.
While words can have real hurt and the mental toll can be great, it’s the broader perception that is just as important. There is no place to use a grouping as a way of putting people down, whether that grouping is race, sexuality, disability or any other group.
Is it ok to maim someone as long as you don’t kill them? Both are wrong and shouldn’t be allowed. So one the one hand there is a scale of “badness”, but my point is that we shouldn’t view these incidents as a scale but that they are both wrong in the absolute sense. Introducing greyness just opens the door to slur people “just a little” and over time that line shifts more and more. The only way to shift the line is to have zero tolerance across the board.
You can change the people at the AFL but the twisting, lies, cover ups and inconsistency of the decision making process remains. They are scared of the negative publicity re Clarkson and the history of issues associated with him. They are not scared of Finlayson so he pays the price. Whether words should hurt you or not, whether it is over the top, or maybe not hard enough does not matter. What matters is where the line is and what happens if you step over it and how consistent you are in applying the rules.
And once again the AFL have showed they can move the line, are happy to do so to suit their circumstance, and have no credibility at all.
And once again the AFL have showed they can move the line, are happy to do so to suit their circumstance, and have no credibility at all.
There was no reference to a group. It was directed at an individual. And even if it was used in a group reference such as "You XXXXXXXX are all the same", I still say, it doesn't warrant 3:weeks. It's thinking like this, that leads people to think the crazy ideas put out there like " We need to stop calling it breast feeding, because some can't do that. We need to call it chest feeding". Or worse still "We should ask a babies permission before we change a diaper". It's a slippery slope, and once you venture down it, there's no drawing a line, and no turning back! If a whole group really feels so maligned, because Finlayson threw out an errant word, then the problem is more theirs, than societies. The bottom line is, gay people actually don't associate themselves with that word, and also, while many of gay people might find it derogatory, many other gay people use it at other gay people when insulting them. Sorry, but just like the derogatory "N" word for black people, you can't say it's ok for someone within a group to use a derogatory word, but those outside the group are banned from using it.
What an Orwellian World we have become!!!
What an Orwellian World we have become!!!
I’m not across what Clarke specifically said so I can’t comment on that. But I think my overall point is valid in that if you advocate for tolerance you’re enabling people to keep doing it. No one is perfect (myself included), but as the saying goes.. “The first thing you think is what society has conditioned you to think. The second thing is what defines you as a person.” We should be endeavouring to change the first and close the gap, not accomodating the gap.
I think you need to Google the meaning of "straw man argument". Using your own example, in a similar straw man way, if I knick your ear lobe with a knife, I should be punished the same as if I plunged it into your heart. "We shouldn't view these things as a scale"? Where do we draw the line? Of course these things need to be scaled! Just like all penalties/suspensions in the AFL are scaled. Like my original point, how is this 3 times worse than a dangerous tackle? Why hasn't the media been suspended for 3 weeks? Because without them, the supposedly maligned group would never even be aware it happened, or what was said. You imply that gay people might feel marginalised by the use of the word. What caused this marginalisation?:The use, or the reporting of the use? Who did more damage here?:Finlayson or the media?
Where's Christopher Hitchens when you need him
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