Discussion 2024 Round 9: Teams & In Game Discussion

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I believe (and happy to be called out as wrong) that it is measured as the crow flies between the goals, not how far the ball travels. So a 50 kick directly across in a straight line doesn’t apply 50m gained, but a 50m kick on a slight angle into the corridor might get a small amount of meters gained.
So anything going straight down the corridor is getting maximum meters gained and then it slides downs from there as the angles work in.
Will probably be improved when they put the bell in the ball starting from next year! Errr The chip not bell! :)
https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/
Metres Gained: Net metres gained with the ball by a player, by running, kicking or handballing, combining measures towards attacking goal and away from defensive goal.
Elemental really, straight line between goal and goal, move the ball forward, backward or sideways equals metres gained, lost or neutral event. as above things will be more measured next year I'd guess.
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Well I'm not going to blame myself for picking the wrong players now am I.
This line probably sums it up the best, not only for SC but for most in life!

Was it an umpire interpretation or a CD interpretation, was it a AFL executive decision, or a player error? Has the coach gone mad, subbing his best players or sending them to the seconds! Good to have fun with this game, it keeps us entertained over the winter months, but so many variable's in this game of both AFL and SC, you can't let it eat away at you, the system won't cuddle you and make it all better. The only one it affects is you, so don't let it! Ryan gets easy points from Kick ins, then get Ryan, Gawn gets effective HOTA hitting the turf 5 metres away, then get Gawn, Bont has the golden SC ticket, then get Bont.

This game is as frustrating as, but what part of human interface and computers isn't these days! So, so many imputations that create the final score we see on the SC site, it is what it is! You get yourself in a pickle worrying about those things, you're not going to enjoy anything, except long walks on a sandy beach!

Now I need to go and get another coffee, some heavy reading here for first thing in the morning!
Some bounce out of bed, others like me slide out! lol
Good luck to all.
 
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Will probably be improved when they put the bell in the ball starting from next year! Errr The chip not bell! :)

Elemental really, straight line between goal and goal, move the ball forward, backward or sideways equals metres gained, lost or neutral event. as above things will be more measured next year I'd guess.

The house that Ryan built!, Err Champion Data built! :)

This line probably sums it up the best, not only for SC but for most in life!

Was it an umpire interpretation or a CD interpretation, was it a AFL executive decision, or a player error? Has the coach gone mad, subbing his best players or sending them to the seconds! Good to have fun with this game, it keeps us entertained over the winter months, but so many variable's in this game of both AFL and SC, you can't let it eat away at you, the system won't cuddle you and make it all better. The only one it affects is you, so don't let it! Ryan gets easy points from Kick ins, then get Ryan, Gawn gets effective HOTA hitting the turf 5 metres away, then get Gawn, Bont has the golden SC ticket, then get Bont.

This game is as frustrating as, but what part of human interface and computers isn't these days! So, so many imputations that create the final score we see on the SC site, it is what it is! You get yourself in a pickle worrying about those things, you're not going to enjoy anything, except long walks on a sandy beach!

Now I need to go and get another coffee, some heavy reading here for first thing in the morning!
Some bounce out of bed, others like me slide out! lol
Good luck to all.
Kicks across the ground, or switching play, or when waiting for an opportunity shouldn't really be precluded from a teams attempts to attack. I don't think it's that simple. One player could be the beneficiary of multiple switches of play to open up the ground that have been necessary and strategic.
 
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Kicks across the ground, or switching play, or when waiting for an opportunity shouldn't really be precluded from a teams attempts to attack. I don't think it's that simple. One player could be the beneficiary of multiple switches of play to open up the ground that have been necessary.
That was a comment just about metres gained, not the points awarded for or against for the kick, handball, etc.
A switch is more affective than a bomb down the line in most cases from a football sense.
But Ryan's not getting his big points from a 40 metre switch kick, he is getting them from a 40 metre bomb down the ground, isn't he?
 
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That was a comment just about metres gained, not the points awarded for or against for the kick, handball, etc.
A switch is more affective than a bomb down the line in most cases from a football sense.
But Ryan's not getting his big points from a 40 metre switch kick, he is getting them from a 40 metre bomb down the ground, isn't he?
Sometimes, I guess. It's a pretty grey area to be sure. But a kick down the line to a contest isn't a bad outcome in some circumstances if you gain ground. May not be marked, but if it's brought to ground and the his team are good enough to capitalise on it... has it been effective?
 
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4/390, Gawn, Walsh, Oliver and Windsor
Big night tonight with Houston, Heeney, Grundy, Ryan, Serong, Fyfe, Jackson plus Roberts to play.
NWM, DWilson, Bont, DJones, Green, Sheezel, SDarcy, TBrown, Crouch and HReid over the weekend.

Regret getting caught up in the hype on how cheap Clarry was, hindsight’s easy and should have waited and watched another week. Strongly considering using one of my 3 remaining Boosts to trade Yeo for Sinclair but will likely wait a week. Reversed my trade on Roberts after Graham was omitted.
11/1109. Serong and Heeney superb, Grundy and Ryan ok, Houston blahh, not impressed with Fyfe and Jackson but am planning on culling 3 rookies next week (2 down and 1 up) so they’ll likely stay a while longer.
I realised I had enough itb to trade Roberts to Sinclair just before the game and thankfully did so.
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Sometimes, I guess. It's a pretty grey area to be sure. But a kick down the line to a contest isn't a bad outcome in some circumstances if you gain ground. May not be marked, but if it's brought to ground and the his team are good enough to capitalise on it... has it been effective?
For sure, of course, a switch kick in the middle of the 2nd or 3rd quarter with the game already well under control, as opposed to a kick down the ground with a minute left on the clock and scores are within a goal. I'm sure it makes a difference to % of scoring within the system.
And if you reverse those plays, would the same points be awarded for each event, or would a scaling come into play, so which play at which point in time is more effective? I think thats a huge part of the scoring system, it's all relative to the game circumstances and what's happening on field at the time, the state of play as it were.
I mean I liken it to the phrase I love to remember from the Pirates movies,
“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules."
 
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How is it a blight? He had a big last quarter and it’s not his fault Sydney eased off or kicked more points. Wouldn’t it be more of a blight if players who were quiet in the first half were resigned to a terrible score regardless of what they do from there?? The points have to go somewhere and they can’t just stop scoring players in the last quarter of a game that’s over. Yes they may slightly down weight the value vs earlier in the game, but players are still doing things and earning by points.
Yes of course you still have to award points etc, and there is no doubt my own frustration of not having him, accompanies my sentiment. But, Sydney kicks straight for 3qrt and he scores hardly anything. They miss shots in the last, and next thing you know he is on 110. I just think it's wrong for a player to score that well, while having very minimal impact on the game, and a large percentage of it is based on if the other team kicks at goals well or not. Don't get me wrong, Ryan is a fantastic player, and does a lot of great things without having those kick-ins, but I don't think that was the case this week. SC will always find a way to frustrate us, and we will have a whinge about it, and then we move on.
 
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the most interesting one is how a long (40m+) effective kick to a contest is judged. It's a big reason why walsh has low de% because he snaps it forward 30-35m and why 50m kickouts to the wing are judged as effective. I'm pretty sure if it you do a long kick to a contest which is intercepted, it counts as effective and also a clanger / turnover. The logic here is that it isn't the kicker's fault if the opposition takes a strong pack mark etc.
 
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How do we think Wilson and Harcia will go against the Hawks?
At the moment Wilson is a definite starter in the forward line. Clohsey and Rogers Harcia's competition for the mid spot. (Wasted E on Clark last night.) Clohsey tonned up against the Hawks - is his role much the same? Flagging scores since his first couple.
 
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Yes of course you still have to award points etc, and there is no doubt my own frustration of not having him, accompanies my sentiment. But, Sydney kicks straight for 3qrt and he scores hardly anything. They miss shots in the last, and next thing you know he is on 110. I just think it's wrong for a player to score that well, while having very minimal impact on the game, and a large percentage of it is based on if the other team kicks at goals well or not. Don't get me wrong, Ryan is a fantastic player, and does a lot of great things without having those kick-ins, but I don't think that was the case this week. SC will always find a way to frustrate us, and we will have a whinge about it, and then we move on.
It’s just funny cause it’s only ever a blight on the game when it’s a player people don’t own. Otherwise junk points are celebrated like anything!
If Sydney had spread there points more evenly over the 4 quarters would you still be as outraged? Would him getting to 111 at 25-30 points a quarter have made the kick ins acceptable?
 
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