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Having a bit of a play around and this team came out, don't mind it, no real rookies on the ground barring Smillie at Flex, although there are 3 rookie priced players. Also relies on a playing R3 as there aren't many options should Flynn go down.

A good spread over all of the byes, round 13 has 5 but wouldn't expect SPP or Darcy to be in the team then.

Loopability over all 3 lines in each of the early byes barring round 2 in defence.

Cash gen is a bit of a worry.

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First side I have seen with Libba in it - age doesn't concern you?

Blight I assume because Balta suspended? Price a bit awkward for my liking.

Darcy & Flynn at R1 & R2, brave man with their injury history ;)
 
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I don’t understand how this works, tangibly.

You say that you don’t want Lynch as flex, as he’s just wild enough that he can deliver a 100 as 20.

But my question is, how does that make any difference – if you had someone else as flex, you still end up with the same score? Lynch’s 20 drops out whether he is Flex or not.

Can someone explain, preferably using an actual example for my small brain – because as I can see it, if you have 23 players, you will end up with best 22 regardless of the flex is – so it really doesn’t matter what style of player or standard deviation they deliver? Surely it only matters that they are a regular player that you don’t want to VC, or can’t fit on another line.

People also say, use it as a rookie for cash generation – but again, what difference does it make? If you were going to spend the same $ on players anyway, it’s a zero sum game.
You're second point is correct. I can't see how it makes any difference.
On your first point it is possible that it makes no difference. And it might be that Lynch is your F5 at the start of the year so he plays anyway. But ideally you would try and loop Lynch's bad scores out by looping in the forward line. Even though one of your 23 scores gets dropped you would still want to give yourself more chance that there are more good scores on the ground. Lynch might be your D6 but if you have a forward with a bye or a missed game you would try and put Lynch at D7 and hopefully see what he scored first. I haven't looked at the draw as I type this.
 
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I don’t understand how this works, tangibly.

You say that you don’t want Lynch as flex, as he’s just wild enough that he can deliver a 100 as 20.

But my question is, how does that make any difference – if you had someone else as flex, you still end up with the same score? Lynch’s 20 drops out whether he is Flex or not.

Can someone explain, preferably using an actual example for my small brain – because as I can see it, if you have 23 players, you will end up with best 22 regardless of the flex is – so it really doesn’t matter what style of player or standard deviation they deliver? Surely it only matters that they are a regular player that you don’t want to VC, or can’t fit on another line.

People also say, use it as a rookie for cash generation – but again, what difference does it make? If you were going to spend the same $ on players anyway, it’s a zero sum game.
I'm on the phone atm so a fully worked example might have to wait.

But for the real high variance players, you already have loopholes to mitigate the risk of a 20 and I think loopholing does a better job there.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from (e) I can ignore it and roll again on another rookie in F6. I still have that flex player available to do his job, should it be needed.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from flex, I've no longer got protection against one of my 22 putting up a 50

If you are using a rookie in flex, then remember that there is a good chance that it will be your 7th best rookie or so. I can't see him reliably saving you from that 48 that Sean Darcy is going to barf out, for example. And I say 7th best rookie.... hard to split em that deep in the barrel. Could be your 9th best. Might be a sub. It's another gamble you are having to take before the weekend that can be eradicated by giving the rookie the (e) instead

Also, using the flex position for a rookie doesn't change cash generation. They will earn the same amount, regardless of where you place them

Having a 31st position in your squad to fill changes things a bit though. Prices got dropped 3% and you have another spot to fill so that might change your P/M/R mix. That's a different discussion from how best to use the flex though
 
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First side I have seen with Libba in it - age doesn't concern you?

Blight I assume because Balta suspended? Price a bit awkward for my liking.

Darcy & Flynn at R1 & R2, brave man with their injury history ;)
Already made adjustments, haha

Libba > TDK,
Flynn > Flex
Smillie > Mids

D6 (Blight) is more of a placeholder for Kiddy who I'd expect in the team in round 6, should be on the bubble. Blight made his name as an intercept marking defender and you'd think he'd get plenty of supply, Doedee also a consideration and I'm leaning that way even with his early bye, priced at 43 with a good chance of putting up 80's

Darcy does open up a rabbit hole if he goes down, where Jackson can be easily pivoted to, trouble begins though if it's just a 3-4 week injury as Jackson then becomes a bit of a clogger.
 
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I'm on the phone atm so a fully worked example might have to wait.

But for the real high variance players, you already have loopholes to mitigate the risk of a 20 and I think loopholing does a better job there.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from (e) I can ignore it and roll again on another rookie in F6. I still have that flex player available to do his job, should it be needed.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from flex, I've no longer got protection against one of my 22 putting up a 50

If you are using a rookie in flex, then remember that there is a good chance that it will be your 7th best rookie or so. I can't see him reliably saving you from that 48 that Sean Darcy is going to barf out, for example. And I say 7th best rookie.... hard to split em that deep in the barrel. Could be your 9th best. Might be a sub. It's another gamble you are having to take before the weekend that can be eradicated by giving the rookie the (e) instead

Also, using the flex position for a rookie doesn't change cash generation. They will earn the same amount, regardless of where you place them

Having a 31st position in your squad to fill changes things a bit though. Prices got dropped 3% and you have another spot to fill so that might change your P/M/R mix. That's a different discussion from how best to use the flex though
Looping Lynch at F5 is my plan, made easier with the early byes. Have forwards missing rounds 2, 3 & 4 (Stone, Smith & Kako). Having a FD from round 5 is a decision for then which could be made for me.

I think that maximising the looping possibilities over those early byes is important, as it basically gives you a look at 26 players (3 loops) with the best 18 taken from those, with the idea that the Flex player is well inside that best 18. Whether I make the right decisions regarding the taking of scores is a whole other matter, one which I'm highly likely to stuff up
 
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Looks like Kiddy could miss rounds 0 & 1, he could play round 2 with a rest (bye = managed) then be ok for round 4.

I'd be fairly keen on starting a similarly priced player, who might get a price rise or two before flipping to Coleman. I guess the thing to do would be to start someone who doesn't play round 0, although Doedee by all accounts looks fit and so far, is ready to go and is someone who has 30+ points of upside. Brown and Banks, Trezise too from the Tigers, Schoenmaker, Williams, Sinn fit the bill from an early bye perspective, Logue and Blight maybe, but more the lockdown types.

I've also got Rivers and Mills, if one or both don't fire then a downgrade to Kiddy is also on the cards.
Completely missed Doedee @ $ 256,800.00

Defence might not be that bad to navigate if the rookies don't appear and look viable.

Fagan will have a nightmare trying to fit in all of Coleman , Doedee , Gardiner & McCarthy into a premiership side + L Ashcroft

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1264415...rack-for-season-start-selection-squeeze-looms
 
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I'm on the phone atm so a fully worked example might have to wait.

But for the real high variance players, you already have loopholes to mitigate the risk of a 20 and I think loopholing does a better job there.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from (e) I can ignore it and roll again on another rookie in F6. I still have that flex player available to do his job, should it be needed.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from flex, I've no longer got protection against one of my 22 putting up a 50

If you are using a rookie in flex, then remember that there is a good chance that it will be your 7th best rookie or so. I can't see him reliably saving you from that 48 that Sean Darcy is going to barf out, for example. And I say 7th best rookie.... hard to split em that deep in the barrel. Could be your 9th best. Might be a sub. It's another gamble you are having to take before the weekend that can be eradicated by giving the rookie the (e) instead

Also, using the flex position for a rookie doesn't change cash generation. They will earn the same amount, regardless of where you place them

Having a 31st position in your squad to fill changes things a bit though. Prices got dropped 3% and you have another spot to fill so that might change your P/M/R mix. That's a different discussion from how best to use the flex though
I agree that you don’t want to put a flaky or unreliable rookie there, but we never want to put them anywhere!
I thjbk there should be two separate conversations.. how the flex is used in building a starting side, and how the flex is used navigating the early rounds. They might seem the same but I’d be very surprised if people have the same player in the flex spot each of the first few weeks!
 
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Completely missed Doedee @ $ 256,800.00

Defence might not be that bad to navigate if the rookies don't appear and look viable.

Fagan will have a nightmare trying to fit in all of Coleman , Doedee , Gardiner & McCarthy into a premiership side + L Ashcroft

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1264415...rack-for-season-start-selection-squeeze-looms
Reckon Doedee would take Lesters spot, maybe McCarthy takes Ah-Chee's? Maybe Coleman for Answerth or he pushes Zorko to HFF?

Who knows? Nice problem to have and it's one of the reasons why Ashcroft isn't in my side, but there's a way to go yet and injuries could make those decisions for them
 
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I'm on the phone atm so a fully worked example might have to wait.

But for the real high variance players, you already have loopholes to mitigate the risk of a 20 and I think loopholing does a better job there.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from (e) I can ignore it and roll again on another rookie in F6. I still have that flex player available to do his job, should it be needed.

If Lynch pulls a 20 from flex, I've no longer got protection against one of my 22 putting up a 50

If you are using a rookie in flex, then remember that there is a good chance that it will be your 7th best rookie or so. I can't see him reliably saving you from that 48 that Sean Darcy is going to barf out, for example. And I say 7th best rookie.... hard to split em that deep in the barrel. Could be your 9th best. Might be a sub. It's another gamble you are having to take before the weekend that can be eradicated by giving the rookie the (e) instead

Also, using the flex position for a rookie doesn't change cash generation. They will earn the same amount, regardless of where you place them

Having a 31st position in your squad to fill changes things a bit though. Prices got dropped 3% and you have another spot to fill so that might change your P/M/R mix. That's a different discussion from how best to use the flex though
Great post. I’ve been trying to articulate this for a while and I think you have captured my general thoughts on this topic very well.
 
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Hi folks, has anyone got a link to a bible type article, I'm totally out of the loop this year. Throw a team together and hope. Must have rookies this year?
 
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Your defence & forward lines worry me.

Defence - Whitfield bye round 2 & has a double bye, Humphries & SDK round 3 bye & have double byes - don't really see the appeal as mid price options tbh.

Maric at F3 is scary - I would be looking at Phillipou & B Smith in that fwd line. Maybe drop Sanders to a rookie like Jagga Smith to free cash up.
SDK has upside if he's the number 1 ruck even with the bye, although I think that's Conway's as long as he's fit. Otherwise it's a hard pass like you said.
 
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Think I'll try something different this year and try to stick with this first attempt team until after the pre-season matches, and not keep trading players in and out for the next month.* I'm expecting to have a completely different side by R1 in any case, just interested to know how much it will change.

No idea on rookies, just picked popular options at this stage.

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*(I doubt I make it through the long weekend without making a change, but we'll see...)
 
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