General Discussion

[Erich1036]

Turns out Michael Firrito won the $1000 this week as the highest scoring supercoacher: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...yer-in-the-world/story-fni5f3gz-1226949671157

I thought players and people with senior roles within teams weren't eligible to win prize money? Good on him though, good to see that an AFL player actually has a bit of nous fantasy wise.

 

[vc_bombers]

AFL Fantasy related:

This is the first year I have played Dreamteam/Fantasy. I was forced into it as my work league switched over from SuperCoach much to my disgust. But I have found myself with quite a good ranking of 381 after last round and currently 337 in the live rankings for this round. I am 950 points off the leader. Now I'm wondering if I should take it seriously and have an honest crack at overall.

To anyone that has played / is playing Fantasy do you think I'm in with a shot taking into account my ranking and the where we are at in the season? If so, I would love some advice on going forward with my team and what trades to aim for. Cheers!

I'm also doing really well in that comp. My general philosophy in generating cash is use both trades every week and get anyone playing their first game. I traded in Stefan Martin last week for Sauce and it worked out pretty well.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Turns out Michael Firrito won the $1000 this week as the highest scoring supercoacher: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...yer-in-the-world/story-fni5f3gz-1226949671157

I thought players and people with senior roles within teams weren't eligible to win prize money? Good on him though, good to see that an AFL player actually has a bit of nous fantasy wise.

Kept Dusty Martin to only 18 in the second half and had him in his team, what was he doing?? Hahahaha

 

[Impromptu]

Turns out Michael Firrito won the $1000 this week as the highest scoring supercoacher: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...yer-in-the-world/story-fni5f3gz-1226949671157

I thought players and people with senior roles within teams weren't eligible to win prize money? Good on him though, good to see that an AFL player actually has a bit of nous fantasy wise.

Kept Dusty Martin to only 18 in the second half and had him in his team, what was he doing?? Hahahaha

To be honest, I'm quite surprised, Firrito is entitled to win it.

However, I just had a look at the Competition T&S, namely:

1. WHO MAY PLAY

Entry to SuperCoach is open to all residents of Australia. There is no minimum age limit, however any prizes that may be won by an entrant below the age of 18 will be awarded to their parent/legal guardian. The following entrants are welcome, however are not eligible to be awarded any prizes for participation in SuperCoach: (i) employees of, or contractors to, News Limited or any participating News Limited company, game sponsors or any of the agencies involved with this competition, (ii) members of the immediate family of such employees and contractors, and (iii) international participants who are not residents of Australia. SuperCoach is offered as a free game to all participants, and is not to be used in connection with any form of gambling or the promotion of gambling. All entrants and competition winners consent to the publication of their name and suburb of residence but request that their full address not be published, and agree to participate in reasonable promotional activities as requested by News Limited or any participating News Limited company. News Limited reserves the right to limit the number of participants in SuperCoach at any time for any reason.

 

[kakarot]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Nathan Grima finished 60th a couple of years back and there was nothing in the article I read saying he couldn't have taken down the 50k.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Be spewing if a North player pipped me for a weekly prize and his knowledge of whom in North side and roles got him over the line

 

[Philzsay]

Well I suppose it is not an official AFL game, it is a News Ltd game so from News Ltd perspective it could be ok.

However, AFL players & officials are not allowed to gamble on the AFL. Could this be considered the same? I suppose there is no cost or fee to enter the game, but there is money to be won, and it is a game with some level of skill and football knowledge needed as opposed to only pure luck. It is a bit of a grey area.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Well I suppose it is not an official AFL game, it is a News Ltd game so from News Ltd perspective it could be ok.

However, AFL players & officials are not allowed to gamble on the AFL. Could this be considered the same? I suppose there is no cost or fee to enter the game, but there is money to be won, and it is a game with some level of skill and football knowledge needed as opposed to only pure luck. It is a bit of a grey area.

Think there is nothing wrong with them playing. It's not gambling on matches. The only real advantage they got is knowing their own team better than the average Joe Public and what specific roles and tactics might be employed in their upcoming game.
They are just as prone to crazy trades as the average guy playing the game. I remember about a few weeks back Jake Carlisle said he was trading Gardner out of his team after he played on him because he thought he was a #effen little p*ick and did not like him..lol

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Hall of Fame.

Still miffed Johno not in.

Was he too much of a larrikin or something?

which johno?

Mark i reckon. Maybe Jason

I think Oz posted that before johno was inducted

He should have waited until the night was over lol. Premature posting, there is nasal spray for that

lol.. I did not mean Brad Johnson although happy he did get in.
I meant Wayne Johnston... 4 time premiership player.

[video=youtube;qJpuAtJFULQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qJpuAtJFULQ[/video]

***? Kouta gets in before him. Don't get me wrong, Kouta was a wonderful player and had some stellar moments but hmmm... as a Carlton supporter that seen both their careers. Kouta I don't quite rate up there with Johno for better players I seen at my club in my time of watching footy. I have a disclaimer though. Maybe Johno is already in and I just missed noticing what year he got inducted...lol..

If he is not in Hall of Fame, there is something seriously wrong about that.

Least someone agrees with me that in the press....

When is it the Dominator’s turn for Hall of Fame entry?


EVERY year without fail the AFL Hall of Fame generates heated debate and sometimes a leak ...

One man who received a lot of discussion this year was Carlton star Wayne Johnston.

Many Blues fans are understandably wondering why the much-loved Dominator hasn’t got a gig.

Two best and fairests, four premierships — in three of those victories he was right up there in Norm Smith Medal calculation — is a stellar CV.

Enough time has passed if off-field issues were a factor but it seems there are some surprising roadblocks on the selection panel.

You would think he would be well suited given the identity of a couple of the voters — his premiership teammate and captain Mike Fitzpatrick and his premiership coach David Parkin.

The rest of the panel would understandably look for a lead from those two gentleman but it seems that hasn’t been forthcoming and the discussion is quickly moved on to the next name on the list.

article from http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/t...ll-of-fame-entry/story-fni2u98u-1226949760865

 

[Zimmer]

Think there is nothing wrong with them playing. It's not gambling on matches. The only real advantage they got is knowing their own team better than the average Joe Public and what specific roles and tactics might be employed in their upcoming game.
They are just as prone to crazy trades as the average guy playing the game. I remember about a few weeks back Jake Carlisle said he was trading Gardner out of his team after he played on him because he thought he was a #effen little p*ick and did not like him..lol

Disagree. Too much of a grey area. Anyone who has the potential to directly influence the result of a competition shouldn't be allowed to play. Needs to be that black and white, otherwise you open the door to all sorts of problems.

 

[Zimmer]

To be honest, I'm quite surprised, Firrito is entitled to win it.

However, I just had a look at the Competition T&S, namely:

1. WHO MAY PLAY

SuperCoach is offered as a free game to all participants, and is not to be used in connection with any form of gambling or the promotion of gambling. .

How then is there head to head betting on supercoach scores if it clearly says it's not allowed?

 

[benderiffic]

Disagree. Too much of a grey area. Anyone who has the potential to directly influence the result of a competition shouldn't be allowed to play. Needs to be that black and white, otherwise you open the door to all sorts of problems.

Lets just all take a breath here for a moment! The actually chances of winning this game or a weekly prize are so small it isn't funny! Everyone can throw their arms in the air and say "he has inside knowledge of the game", but keep in mind he only plays for 1 out of 18 teams that play every week! And I would argue that even with the knowledge of their own team, they have a bigger disadvantage to people who sit on the phones all weekend doing captains loopholes, emergancy loopholes etc, whilst they are out there trying to get a kick!

 

[jarveg]

Turns out Michael Firrito won the $1000 this week as the highest scoring supercoacher: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...yer-in-the-world/story-fni5f3gz-1226949671157
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Best bit of that article is the spray Andrew Swallow gives his brother over twitter #daveletyoudown

 

[vc_bombers]

How then is there head to head betting on supercoach scores if it clearly says it's not allowed?

Because the betting and the scoring system are not run by the same company. Betting by bookmakers (even though supercoach is sponsored by a betting co.) and scoring by Champion Data.

 

[Zimmer]

Lets just all take a breath here for a moment! The actually chances of winning this game or a weekly prize are so small it isn't funny! Everyone can throw their arms in the air and say "he has inside knowledge of the game", but keep in mind he only plays for 1 out of 18 teams that play every week! And I would argue that even with the knowledge of their own team, they have a bigger disadvantage to people who sit on the phones all weekend doing captains loopholes, emergancy loopholes etc, whilst they are out there trying to get a kick!

Who won the round again? And as I said in my post, its not that simple. Anyone who has the potential to influence the scoring of a game that is played for prize money, and is used for betting shouldn't be allowed to play. If it's not that big a deal to you, why should it be such a big deal to a player who is already being played to play football to not be allowed to be involved with a game that involves betting. I'm not a being a wowzer here, but as I said, it is so closely related to betting etc. that all sorts of problems can arise when there's a grey area. I'm also not accusing Firrito of any wrong doing, but what happens when some player does.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It's obviously in the minority. Carry on.

 

[Squiz]

Who won the round again? And as I said in my post, its not that simple. Anyone who has the potential to influence the scoring of a game that is played for prize money, and is used for betting shouldn't be allowed to play. If it's not that big a deal to you, why should it be such a big deal to a player who is already being played to play football to not be allowed to be involved with a game that involves betting. I'm not a being a wowzer here, but as I said, it is so closely related to betting etc. that all sorts of problems can arise when there's a grey area. I'm also not accusing Firrito of any wrong doing, but what happens when some player does.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It's obviously in the minority. Carry on.

Not sure how you consider it betting though? Would think there is a big difference between placing bets on say horse racing, sport etc compared to prize money won Supercoach.

With the Firrito example, if he was to influence Martin's score by himself playing poorly just so Martin got higher points for his team, I am pretty sure the money he would lose from match payments from getting dropped from AFL level to VFL would far outweigh the slim chance of getting a weekly Supercoach win.

Firrito winning it has been a good bit of advertising for the Herald Sun, with him being a known AFL player making a better article than a random Supercoach player.

 

[benderiffic]

Who won the round again? And as I said in my post, its not that simple. Anyone who has the potential to influence the scoring of a game that is played for prize money, and is used for betting shouldn't be allowed to play. If it's not that big a deal to you, why should it be such a big deal to a player who is already being played to play football to not be allowed to be involved with a game that involves betting. I'm not a being a wowzer here, but as I said, it is so closely related to betting etc. that all sorts of problems can arise when there's a grey area. I'm also not accusing Firrito of any wrong doing, but what happens when some player does.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It's obviously in the minority. Carry on.

So what you are saying then is that all playes, coaches, trainers etc of AFL clubs should not be able to play SC due to the possiblity of effecting a players score in a particular game?! Gee imagine the backlash if Ross Lyon removed the Crowley tag off Danger last Sunday night due to the fact his opponent had him and he didn't! He may have collected $1,000 but I think the freo fans would send him packing quick smart.

Bad example but good on the bloke. There are so many different options we make throughout 1 week with captains, trades, benches etc, if he scores the most he deserves a pat on the back and $1k for his troubles

 

[IDIG]

Who won the round again? And as I said in my post, its not that simple. Anyone who has the potential to influence the scoring of a game that is played for prize money, and is used for betting shouldn't be allowed to play. If it's not that big a deal to you, why should it be such a big deal to a player who is already being played to play football to not be allowed to be involved with a game that involves betting. I'm not a being a wowzer here, but as I said, it is so closely related to betting etc. that all sorts of problems can arise when there's a grey area. I'm also not accusing Firrito of any wrong doing, but what happens when some player does.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It's obviously in the minority. Carry on.

Fwiw i agree with you that he should be ineligible to win prizes. I think he should still be able to play but not eligible to win prizes.

I liken it to club officials, trainers, pretty much anyone that is linked to a footy club not being able to bet on games. While i agree with the above that he would be able to do very little to gain a decisive advantage, i still feel like him being able to have a direct impact on the game is not far from inside trading...kinda like when Bock went forward that year and there was a plunge on him kicking first goal.

EDIT: rereading that, i haven't explained myself that well! lol

 

[Goodie's Guns]

In the sport pages of the Herald Sun today, "the AFL will advise Firrito to donate his $1000 winnings to charity"

 

[Grant]

In the sport pages of the Herald Sun today, "the AFL will advise Firrito to donate his $1000 winnings to charity"

He should just give it to his junior footy club.