Discussion SuperCoach Pre-Preseason + Mid Price Madness for 2016

Ricky Bobby · 9 Nov 2015

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Jurn Stern · 9 Nov 2015

2. Midfielders: Under-priced, mid-priced, or just guns and rookies.
There is a lot of value to be had in the middle for SuperCoach 2016. The likes of Pendles, Beams, Dangerfield, Fyfe, JPK and Ablett have graced our teams for seasons and should again in 2016, but we now have the attractive offerings of players like Sloane, Rockliff, J.Selwood and Sidebottom at the 560k mark to start the season. We also have Watson and Barlow at 500k, D.Swallow, Gibbs and Libba in the low 400ks, young guns like O'Meara and Crouch possibly at 360k, and the once reliable 105 ave S.Selwood at only 310k! To complicate things further, there is no more sub rule, so if your rookie get's selected, he is playing the whole game (or much as his little legs will allow him).

How will we look to structure our teams with all of that value in the middle!! I think my structure in the middle has changed daily. I've had all mid pricers with Rocky and Ablett, all the value premiums +500k, classic guns and rookies, and I'm current rocking and ugly mix of the options. This option includes old mate S.Selwood. He is an elite runner, could and may play in the middle all day, and could get to 105 ave. Plz help me SuperCoachScores!!!

Ricky Bobby · 9 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

1. What to do with the rucks. At present I am thinking Berger and Currie at R1 & R2 if Currie is the number 1 ruckman at GCS (which I think is a possibility). I have also thrown Nic Nat into the mix at times after he only managed 75% TOG this year. A full season without injury and no more sub rule means I think he could go +82%TOG and +110 average. My rank outside is endurance gun, it's not Blicavs, but McEvoy! With Hale and the sub rule gone, I can see him playing as the one and only ruckman. I don't see he and Ceglar playing in the same side often, as it makes them too top heavy and neither can go forward with effect. He averaged 100 in the back half of 2015 with Hale in the side. He is my rank smokey for 105 average in 2016.

Berger worries me a bit. Does he fit into the same injury category as Mummy and Kreuzer?

Drew · 9 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

Sloane and Rocky are locks i reckon, both guns and definitely underpriced. Libba and Brad Crouch will likely be locks for me also if they look fit and over their injury concerns come round one. Not sold on SSSSelwood, be interesting to see what his role is at Geelong, as well as the fact he'll be battling Jelwood and Danger for SC points.

freowho · 9 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

1. What to do with the rucks. At present I am thinking Berger and Currie at R1 & R2 if Currie is the number 1 ruckman at GCS (which I think is a possibility). I have also thrown Nic Nat into the mix at times after he only managed 75% TOG this year. A full season without injury and no more sub rule means I think he could go +82%TOG and +110 average. My rank outside is endurance gun, it's not Blicavs, but McEvoy! With Hale and the sub rule gone, I can see him playing as the one and only ruckman. I don't see he and Ceglar playing in the same side often, as it makes them too top heavy and neither can go forward with effect. He averaged 100 in the back half of 2015 with Hale in the side. He is my rank smokey for 105 average in 2016.

Are you considering an R/F at any point during the year JS? I haven't done any research but it seemed like an unusually healthy bunch of premium rucks this year.

freowho · 9 Nov 2015

Drew said:

This battle for supercoach points will be high on my list of criteria for next year. I started this year with Swallow and Griffen in the hope they would get close to previous scoring but they had to share their scoring this year with younger players. Griffen even got pushed out of the midfield onto the half back line.

Junior Wölf · 9 Nov 2015

Could Danger and the Selwood brothers share the points around like Pendles, Swan and Beams did a few years back? I am very tempted to get Jelwood. Not touching Sloane without Danger but may go B. Crouch.

All I am praying for a few good D/M and F/M.

Rucks may be a 500K+ player and a sub 500K player. Hoping I can squeeze 6 "premo" midfielders.

sven_inc · 9 Nov 2015

I think Scooter is having surgery this pre-season so might be little underdone initially. Or he may not, who knows this far out!

sven_inc · 9 Nov 2015

As an aside, who can we see changing positional status this season?

A quick look and fwds/def look a little thin at this stage. Any guesses as to who gains?

For me:
Boyd + DEF
Hartlett + DEF
Leuey + Fwd
Bartel + MID
Swan = still MID/FWD
McVeigh + DEF
Bontempelli - FWD

Could Gaz be the slightest of chances for +FWD?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Gray and Martin lose FWD status unfortunately #sadface

BC · 9 Nov 2015

sven_inc said:

Not sure on Scooter. Can see cats using him as a Shut down player at times

Jurn Stern · 9 Nov 2015

BC said:

Yeah that's one of my knocks on him. He played that role for a couple of seasons and averaged above 100, but I guess it's wait and see on him. I'm more confident on B.Crouch even though he's played less games than both SSelwood and O'Meara.

Jurn Stern · 9 Nov 2015

freowho said:

They were unusually healthy. I had a ruck/forward last year and it did me no good. I think that I won't pick a player unless that player appears good enough to be picked on his own merits.

Manikato1 · 10 Nov 2015

I think Jurn is right. Might see a variety of different midfields in 2016 as coaches try to pick from a wide number of what they believe will be justifiable options. Hard to speculate on a mid level player you might like as an improver however when there are a couple of players for only a few $ more such as Libber that have already shown they can score at 100 plus in a season. Having said that I have a couple low end mids I don't think I can go past. Can't help myself.

Think Rocky is the value pick. Not sold on Sloane without Danger. Scooter is still having ankle issues and surgery again pre season is a worry.

Think Junior Wolf hit it on the head with his comments about d/m and f/m. Allocation of dual position will have huge influence on whether some players are selected eg Pearce Hanley would be a lock for me with f/m status but would not but come under consideration as a pure mid. In fact I can just about see my entire forward line being determined by f/m status.

Jurn Stern · 10 Nov 2015

Manikato1 said:

Sloane is a tough one. He has looked a gun for the last 2.5 seasons now, but no Danger is a different prospect. I'm backing him to ave 110 with 0 broken jaws.

Rocky is undoubtedly value. I'd be surprised if everyone doesn't have him, and if most don't have Libba.

P.Hanley, T.Greene, K.Jack, M.Leuenbeger, J.McVeigh, J.Bartel are the guys I'm looking forward to getting DPP. I'm looking forward to Decemeber when some of this stuff get announced.

The moment when you can first officially select a team is bliss.

Hawk · 10 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

Agreed with you here mate. I started TBC, Rampe, A. Swallow.. A plethora of "they might prove to be handy" picks. End of the day, the guns and rookies strategy just seems to trump it for fail factor. I think the chance of getting a value pick correct almost cancels itself out knowing that you'll have to use a trade on a potentially healthy player. Given the carnage that hit this year, I'm dedicating my trades to sideways for my super premiums, and upgrading my rookies to super premiums. Going to try and avoid the middle ground all together. Here is my very plain-Jane 2016 midfield draft ( using Erich's SC Selector )

Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ablett, Selwood, Rockliff, Petracca and rookies.

If you haven't recorded at least 2x seasons of 110+ then you don't get the job!

freowho · 10 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

It'll be hard to work out who gets the points at Gold Coast with Ablett, Prestia, Swallow and O'Meara to come back in. Rodney Eade needs to stop walking under ladders. I think Bennell, Koladjashnij, Miller and Hall had their averages propped up this year because of those who were missing.

Deeman1 · 10 Nov 2015

Jurn Stern said:

For what its worth, if I was going to go down the line of Berger, Currie, Rookie in the ruck, (which I have considered) I think the rookie needs to have R/F and I would most certianly be selecting a R/F (keeper) in the forward line for cover.

I have had Martin in 2014 and Gawn in 2015, which were very handy to cover a ruck position for a short period of time (like when I have Goldy, Martin (as R1 and R2) last year, so I was able to cover Martin when he got suspended for 2 weeks late in the season without having to burn a trade.

Personally, I think we need to see where Currie fits in to the ruck situation at GC before any real decions can be made.

Currently my planing at this stage has Premium, Berger, Currie (no R/F link) but that is likely to change pending the availabliity of further information.

Ricky Bobby · 10 Nov 2015

Hawk said:

Agreed with you here mate. I started TBC, Rampe, A. Swallow.. A plethora of "they might prove to be handy" picks. End of the day, the guns and rookies strategy just seems to trump it for fail factor. I think the chance of getting a value pick correct almost cancels itself out knowing that you'll have to use a trade on a potentially healthy player. Given the carnage that hit this year, I'm dedicating my trades to sideways for my super premiums, and upgrading my rookies to super premiums. Going to try and avoid the middle ground all together. Here is my very plain-Jane 2016 midfield draft ( using Erich's SC Selector )

Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ablett, Selwood, Rockliff, Petracca and rookies.

If you haven't recorded at least 2x seasons of 110+ then you don't get the job!

You (we) might get lucky and see Petracca as a mid/fwd.

Deeman1 · 10 Nov 2015

Ricky Bobby said:

Yeah, hopefully, I guess he was M/F last year, he did not play a game, so I guess it would be unlikley that his M/F elligibilty would change given that he did nothing to warrant a change.

Jurn Stern · 10 Nov 2015

3. Where will the rookie value be found?
After talking about the premium value to be had in the middle, it was hard not to think about the rookies and which line is best to load up with rookies for SuperCoach 2016. I have typically gone thicker with premos in defence, and thinner in the midfield. But I have a feeling this season could be the year of the rookie forward. Pre-draft we already know that we should have Petracca (MEL), Nick Kommer (ESS) and Sam Kerridge/Liam Sumner (CAR). These are guys have either played before with some rookie impact, and/or should slot into their new sides best 22. In the middle we have Freeman (STK), Trengove (MEL), Ahern (GWS), and possibly a few others. Pickett (GWS) could be M/F. Currie (GCS) is the obviously possibility in the ruck, and I can't seem to find any bargain rookie defenders at this stage (maybe Cam Delaney (GEE)). At this stage I can see myself going thinner through the forward line (3 premo, 0 midpricer, 5 rookie), a 5-2-4 midfield, 1-1-1 ruck, and 5-0-3 backline.

Does anyone else have plans like this around where the money should be spent?? Every year I spend less where the good rookies are, and more where I think the rookies are thin.

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