Opinion Rate My Team (Team Picker Only)

[Philzsay]

Great talk on statistics. Being an engineer I can't get enough of them! Also means I can blame my poor decision making (at work) on someone else haha.

On an unrelated note does anyone know if when SC 2016 opens officially your team selected now in the planner gets wiped or does it stay? I think this was discussed in another thread so apologies if already answered but can't find where I may have read it atm.

It gets wiped out, well it was wiped out last year.

I believe SC will open on Jan 29, for anyone wondering.

 

[Courtesans]

Great talk on statistics. Being an engineer I can't get enough of them! Also means I can blame my poor decision making (at work) on someone else haha.

On an unrelated note does anyone know if when SC 2016 opens officially your team selected now in the planner gets wiped or does it stay? I think this was discussed in another thread so apologies if already answered but can't find where I may have read it atm.

I think it opens on 26/1 and yes the planner does get wiped or has in previous years. Write your draft team down.

 

[lavenderbandit]

Cheers gents

 

[Courtesans]

Great talk on statistics. Being an engineer I can't get enough of them! Also means I can blame my poor decision making (at work) on someone else haha.

I work for the Victorian Public Service and I hate statistics.

 

[THCLT]

Loving the stats talk and i'll admit i perhaps am guilty of going too much off historical data although id back in a player who has consistently put up good numbers vs a player who hasn't. I guess it's a matter of deciding if you prefer proven player X vs upside player Y and if Proven player X is on his way down or still able to score a proven premium level and if upside player Y will overtake him.

Players in the upside category i like (rightly or wrongly) are players who have the following formline.

2013 - 14 games @ 60 average
2014 - 18 games @ 75 average
2015 - 22 games @ 85 average
2016 - 22 games @ ?? average

I never jump on them because i inevitably jump on the blokes that have been doing it at a premium level for longer but sometimes i wish i'd take a punt on one of these types of guys. The defenders of this year look like a perfect opportunity to do so!

I've got a player that fits that criteria perfectly for 2016!

2011: 16 games at 74.9 average
2012: 17/83.1
2013: 22/106.8
2014: 22/110.4
2015: Injured

Priced at $357,300...I also hear that he's now back to FULL training with the main group...LOCK him in!

 

[Courtesans]

I've got a player that fits that criteria perfectly for 2016!

2011: 16 games at 74.9 average
2012: 17/83.1
2013: 22/106.8
2014: 22/110.4
2015: Injured

Priced at $357,300...I also hear that he's now back to FULL training with the main group...LOCK him in!

Cooney?

 

[Tamuhawk]

i've got a player that fits that criteria perfectly for 2016!

2011: 16 games at 74.9 average
2012: 17/83.1
2013: 22/106.8
2014: 22/110.4
2015: Injured

priced at $357,300...i also hear that he's now back to full training with the main group...lock him in!

Libba!

 

[Nathan]

I'd actually like them to stipulate some KPPs in SC.

Would make things interesting.

Maybe one of FF/CHF/CHB/FB and one maybe two wingman. The debate over what players get pigeon holed into what position would be insane though.

 

[THCLT]

Had some time to do some SC team planning today.

I've come up with a version below which have deviated from my 'Set & Forget' rucks setup to see how it would look...

D: Boyd, Macmillan, Bartel, McGovern, Williams
M: Ablett, Pendles, Tmitchell, Rockliff, Wines, Libba
R: Nicholls, Lobbe
F: Dusty, Westhoff, Harvey, Tippett

A few speculative/risky selections I know, which may get reigned in come the start of the season. However, I'm of the opinion that you need to make a few 'gut instinct' selections for your starting team in order to separate yourself from the masses and be in contention if the cards fell your way. I've learnt over the last 3 years that playing the calculated and minimizing risk approach can only get you so far up the ranking, you almost need to make a 'Bruyn Manouvre' type selection at the start in order to be in the thick of things!

I'm slowly becoming enamoured to this version...

 

[BigRuss]

Had some time to do some SC team planning today.

I've come up with a version below which have deviated from my 'Set & Forget' rucks setup to see how it would look...

D: Boyd, Macmillan, Bartel, McGovern, Williams
M: Ablett, Pendles, Tmitchell, Rockliff, Wines, Libba
R: Nicholls, Lobbe
F: Dusty, Westoff, Harvey, Tippett

A few speculative/risky selections I know, which may get reigned in come the start of the season. However, I'm of the opinion that you need to make a few 'gut instinct' selections for your starting team in order to separate yourself from the masses and be in contention if the cards fell your way. I've learnt over the last 3 years that playing the calculated and minimizing risk approach can only get you so far up the ranking, you almost need to make a 'Bruyn Manouvre' type selection at the start in order to be in the thick of things!

I'm slowly becoming enamoured to this version...

I actually dont mind this team, Im a big advocate of playing it safe with your initial team and trading with risk/aggression. Ive seen Nichols in a few teams and had the reasons explained multiple times, but i just cant bring myself to think hes going to end up a good pick. Love the Tippett pick though, think hes in for a massive year and hes been in 1 or 2 of my draft sides. Macmillan and Westhoff are interesting picks. Westhoff could explode with Ports early draw, should be freed up the ground somewhat with Dixon staying close to home. Whats the reasoning for Macmillan?

 

[THCLT]

I actually dont mind this team, Im a big advocate of playing it safe with your initial team and trading with risk/aggression. Ive seen Nichols in a few teams and had the reasons explained multiple times, but i just cant bring myself to think hes going to end up a good pick. Love the Tippett pick though, think hes in for a massive year and hes been in 1 or 2 of my draft sides. Macmillan and Westhoff are interesting picks. Westhoff could explode with Ports early draw, should be freed up the ground somewhat with Dixon staying close to home. Whats the reasoning for Macmillan?

The Macmillan pick is probably showing my colours a little...but am of the opinion that he's highly rated at the club and was being groomed to hold one of the key position off the half back...until he was cruelled with injuries in 2014. If you take out his 2014 numbers, his stats looks to be trending very nicely indeed...

2010: 4 games at 40.8 average
2011: 9/44.0
2012: 22/62.6
2013: 22/72.8
2015: 14/88.7

His composure with the ball off the half back is very important to our team structure and can go forward and snag a goal or two. He showed last year, when fit, that he can pump out 90+ scores on a consistent basis. I think that if his legs are OK and with another full preseason under his belt, he has the potential to build on his progress. Will keep a watch for the NAB and if he continues to play the same role as last year, then he's more thank likely to make the cut for my starting team.

Re Westhoff...should end up with a decent enough average but his scoring can be up and down. Like you mention, I'm hoping he explodes out of the blocks like in 2013.

 

[Darkie]

Had some time to do some SC team planning today.

I've come up with a version below which have deviated from my 'Set & Forget' rucks setup to see how it would look...

D: Boyd, Macmillan, Bartel, McGovern, Williams
M: Ablett, Pendles, Tmitchell, Rockliff, Wines, Libba
R: Nicholls, Lobbe
F: Dusty, Westoff, Harvey, Tippett

A few speculative/risky selections I know, which may get reigned in come the start of the season. However, I'm of the opinion that you need to make a few 'gut instinct' selections for your starting team in order to separate yourself from the masses and be in contention if the cards fell your way. I've learnt over the last 3 years that playing the calculated and minimizing risk approach can only get you so far up the ranking, you almost need to make a 'Bruyn Manouvre' type selection at the start in order to be in the thick of things!

I'm slowly becoming enamoured to this version...

Interesting side THCLT. There's a fair bit of "if only" about this team ... If only X doesn't get injured, etc etc. If that happens, you will be on fire early. I think the odds of the planets aligning are quite slim though, so perhaps you could decide which 2-4 risky POD picks you like best and run with those, upgrading/downgrading the rest, or even just choosing the obvious pick at a similar price. I can see the arguments for all your PODs, but it looks to me like you're going to use too many trades to complete your team with genuine keepers.

If you do decide to go down your current path, I would suggest looking critically at whether an injury-prone Boyd, eg, is really needed as another POD against the more common, but likely much safer, McVeigh. If you're going to end up using extra trades on correctives, or upgrading weak "keepers", I would try to reduce my exposure to injury trades.

An interesting approach - good luck.

 

[t.thomas6]

SC2016_v1

Ok guys, I feel like it's time Version 1 for 2016. See below:



A few notes to justify initial selection:

Defence: for some reason, could not make myself Heater even though he was so solid last year. So went for some old stayers in McVeigh and Bartel. Barring injury, you know what you're going to get. Smith should find his way back to at least a 90 odd average at worst. The kid's a gun. Mal was a tricky one. Had a bad season last year...but who at GC didn't have an off one? The other option is spend a bit more and put KK in there. Then threw in some rookies I think MAY get games (Whitecross is slowly becoming more of a cross...but no idea who to swap him with)

Mids: Set and forget: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Libba. Breakout: Crouch. Then rookies who should get games (Lovell is my dark horse. Love the kid and reckon he could push for a spot in the Hawks outfit)

Rucks: had to put the love for my Roo boys aside and take Martin over Goldy due to price..and now that Ryder is out, Lobbe should get some really good ruck time. Safer bet than Leuenberger IMO. Then King as a floating doughnut.

Forwards: 4 solid forward options, Wells to come back strong and then rookies as above.

Let me know what you all think.

Cheers!

 

[manyproblems]

Ok guys, I feel like it's time Version 1 for 2016. See below:

View attachment 743

A few notes to justify initial selection:

Defence: for some reason, could not make myself Heater even though he was so solid last year. So went for some old stayers in McVeigh and Bartel. Barring injury, you know what you're going to get. Smith should find his way back to at least a 90 odd average at worst. The kid's a gun. Mal was a tricky one. Had a bad season last year...but who at GC didn't have an off one? The other option is spend a bit more and put KK in there. Then threw in some rookies I think MAY get games (Whitecross is slowly becoming more of a cross...but no idea who to swap him with)

Mids: Set and forget: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Libba. Breakout: Crouch. Then rookies who should get games (Lovell is my dark horse. Love the kid and reckon he could push for a spot in the Hawks outfit)

Rucks: had to put the love for my Roo boys aside and take Martin over Goldy due to price..and now that Ryder is out, Lobbe should get some really good ruck time. Safer bet than Leuenberger IMO. Then King as a floating doughnut.

Forwards: 4 solid forward options, Wells to come back strong and then rookies as above.

Let me know what you all think.

Cheers!

Forget Whitecross, he won't play close to 22 games.

B.Smith I think wont come out the blocks. Adelaide have a really tough draw early and that wont help him. I am worried for his confidence since he played scared of headknocks all last year. He will probably dominate nab and no doubt will be popular.

Fyfe isn't going to play nab... we learnt the hard way with Ablett last year if he is rushed back in.

Lobbe wont be a top 5 ruck, he will be lucky to average 95. The guy was dropped to the SANFL last year. For an extra 200k more you get much more security and scoring.

Buddy is a pain to have because he loves missing games here and there. He hasn't played 20+ games since 2009.

If Wells has any problems in pre season then **** him off asap. played 2 games last year and 9 the year before.

I'd also get 1 or 2 fwd/mid rookies in the midfield so you have the luxury of swapping them if needed during the season.

 

[manyproblems]

Had some time to do some SC team planning today.

I've come up with a version below which have deviated from my 'Set & Forget' rucks setup to see how it would look...

D: Boyd, Macmillan, Bartel, McGovern, Williams
M: Ablett, Pendles, Tmitchell, Rockliff, Wines, Libba
R: Nicholls, Lobbe
F: Dusty, Westhoff, Harvey, Tippett

A few speculative/risky selections I know, which may get reigned in come the start of the season. However, I'm of the opinion that you need to make a few 'gut instinct' selections for your starting team in order to separate yourself from the masses and be in contention if the cards fell your way. I've learnt over the last 3 years that playing the calculated and minimizing risk approach can only get you so far up the ranking, you almost need to make a 'Bruyn Manouvre' type selection at the start in order to be in the thick of things!

I'm slowly becoming enamoured to this version...

Lol Westhoff... His first 4 games in 2013 were hilarious. Go for it.

Pick Tippett if Buddy gets injured for a long time, they dont work well together.

Downgrade two defenders and put some cash into one of your rucks. Not having any top rucks will kill you and will cost trades later. And paying 450-500k for a bunch of players who will probably average 90ppg is bleh.

 

[Prochard]

Had some time to do some SC team planning today.

I've come up with a version below which have deviated from my 'Set & Forget' rucks setup to see how it would look...

D: Boyd, Macmillan, Bartel, McGovern, Williams
M: Ablett, Pendles, Tmitchell, Rockliff, Wines, Libba
R: Nicholls, Lobbe
F: Dusty, Westhoff, Harvey, Tippett

A few speculative/risky selections I know, which may get reigned in come the start of the season. However, I'm of the opinion that you need to make a few 'gut instinct' selections for your starting team in order to separate yourself from the masses and be in contention if the cards fell your way. I've learnt over the last 3 years that playing the calculated and minimizing risk approach can only get you so far up the ranking, you almost need to make a 'Bruyn Manouvre' type selection at the start in order to be in the thick of things!

I'm slowly becoming enamoured to this version...

Ok so you have both my 2 PODS who Im almost certain will be very strong keepers picked. Don't like Westoff, Williams and Macmillan, but given we have the same 6 midfield premiums, I must say this is quite a strong team.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Forget Whitecross, he won't play close to 22 games.

B.Smith I think wont come out the blocks. Adelaide have a really tough draw early and that wont help him. I am worried for his confidence since he played scared of headknocks all last year. He will probably dominate nab and no doubt will be popular.

Fyfe isn't going to play nab... we learnt the hard way with Ablett last year if he is rushed back in.

Lobbe wont be a top 5 ruck, he will be lucky to average 95. The guy was dropped to the SANFL last year. For an extra 200k more you get much more security and scoring.

Buddy is a pain to have because he loves missing games here and there. He hasn't played 20+ games since 2009.

If Wells has any problems in pre season then **** him off asap. played 2 games last year and 9 the year before.

I'd also get 1 or 2 fwd/mid rookies in the midfield so you have the luxury of swapping them if needed during the season.

No, no , no. Tell us what you really think ! Lol
I love it. Lots of passion an straight talk

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[Adrenaline]

Ok guys, I feel like it's time Version 1 for 2016. See below:

View attachment 743

A few notes to justify initial selection:

Defence: for some reason, could not make myself Heater even though he was so solid last year. So went for some old stayers in McVeigh and Bartel. Barring injury, you know what you're going to get. Smith should find his way back to at least a 90 odd average at worst. The kid's a gun. Mal was a tricky one. Had a bad season last year...but who at GC didn't have an off one? The other option is spend a bit more and put KK in there. Then threw in some rookies I think MAY get games (Whitecross is slowly becoming more of a cross...but no idea who to swap him with)

Mids: Set and forget: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Libba. Breakout: Crouch. Then rookies who should get games (Lovell is my dark horse. Love the kid and reckon he could push for a spot in the Hawks outfit)

Rucks: had to put the love for my Roo boys aside and take Martin over Goldy due to price..and now that Ryder is out, Lobbe should get some really good ruck time. Safer bet than Leuenberger IMO. Then King as a floating doughnut.

Forwards: 4 solid forward options, Wells to come back strong and then rookies as above.

Let me know what you all think.

Cheers!

hi thomas

i dont mind your team structure. a bit like last year there is a bit of value in the defence if you can find the right players. i think smith and malceski for me are a bit of risk but those players are wait and see in the nab cup..

midfield i quite like it. it is very strong. obviously if fyfe is not 100% you can change him like a hannes

rucks are quite strong. it seems you will grab goldie once or if lobbe goes up in price which is a smart move

fwds: wells is a huge risk which could pay off. franklin is a risk in some ways. row identified that his first half of the year is a lot better than his second half. i would consider trading him if he scores start to go south. i dont mind the harvey move. i am considering putting him in my side. he might do ok.

overall pretty good team and structure

 

[THCLT]

Ok so you have both my 2 PODS who Im almost certain will be very strong keepers picked. Don't like Westoff, Williams and Macmillan, but given we have the same 6 midfield premiums, I must say this is quite a strong team.

Thanks Prochard...of those lot, I'm pretty certain that at least 12 will end up in my starting team and the rest are hinging on observations from the NAB. I'm not sure what others think about viable rookie options in the backline, but I'm not feeling overly confident at the moment of finding 3-4 that will be playing regularly to be effective cash cows...hence my decision to bat a bit deeper in the backline. If a few does pop up, then I can do a downgrade and use the funds to sure up one of my rucks.

I've started with 'cookie type' and top priced players in past years, so for this year, I want to include a couple of left-field options for my starting team based on gut instinct and 'some' analysis. Worst that can happen is I corrective trades them back to more safer option after their two games.

One thing which I've learnt from doing this exercise is that the $500K odd saved from my original set & forget rucks, really helped to open up my options to give me a much more balanced looking team. I never thought that I would say this, but for the first time I'm considering NOT starting Goldy in my team!

P.S...I think I know your 2 PODs...LOL...actually have a pool of POD players to select from, I just choose to reveal some of those at this point in time.

 

[Jurn Stern]

Lol Westhoff... His first 4 games in 2013 were hilarious. Go for it.

Pick Tippett if Buddy gets injured for a long time, they dont work well together.

Downgrade two defenders and put some cash into one of your rucks. Not having any top rucks will kill you and will cost trades later. And paying 450-500k for a bunch of players who will probably average 90ppg is bleh.

I'm of the belief that not starting an premium rucks is the right call this year. I'm seeing Goldy at sub 600k round 5-6, and Jacobs about 500k (maybe lower) round 6-8. Given from then I see these two guys being the highest scoring rucks from then onwards, I'll save myself a few 100k, while making money on Lobbe's easy draw.

Ruck planning will be a key differentiator this season.