Opinion Player X vs Player Y

[Tamuhawk]

Gunston v Z Merrett

Gunston.

Check out Rowsus latest analysis on him. Post #149 http://www.supercoachscores.com/threads/2766-Rowsus-Tables-And-Analysis-Of-2015-Season/page8

 

[Tamuhawk]

Jarryd Roughead Vs Jack Gunston

 

[Monya Meow Meow]

Jarryd Roughead Vs Jack Gunston

I'd still prefer Gunston over Roughie

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Wines might be at a nice price but is he as good as Mitchell or Sloane, in my view, no.

Just an opinion Monya.

This time last year KLo (I think it was him) did a big write up comparing Wines to Selwood and from memory it was pretty compelling. Mitchell is definitely good, but I'm not yet convinced that he is a better prospect than Wines in 2016, especially when Wines is $38k cheaper

 

[Darkie]

Jarryd Roughead Vs Jack Gunston

I think the numbers suggest Roughy, but I'd be quite interested in any more informed opinions (based on potential changes to the Hawks set-up, etc).

Good to see some "proper" forwards under consideration!

 

[Junior Wölf]

God damn it. I was pretty much set with my midfield setup with Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Rocky, Wines, Libba and now Titchell looks an interesting prospect.

 

[Courtesans]

God damn it. I was pretty much set with my midfield setup with Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Rocky, Wines, Libba and now Titchell looks an interesting prospect.

Pendlebury, Ablett, Rockliff, Sloane, T. Mitchell, Liberatore looks fine to me.

 

[KLo30]

This time last year KLo (I think it was him) did a big write up comparing Wines to Selwood and from memory it was pretty compelling. Mitchell is definitely good, but I'm not yet convinced that he is a better prospect than Wines in 2016, especially when Wines is $38k cheaper

Just looked at Jelwood's stats from that thread, and whilst Wines had an injury interrupted season and therefore not allowing him to draw a proper comparison as Jelwood played a full 22 games in year 3, the similarities continued. In his third season Jelwood had a SC 100%TOG of 132.8 and Wines SC 100%TOG of ..................... 132.7.

Freaky.
The next fantasy 'Elite'

 

[Ricky Bobby]

just looked at jelwood's stats from that thread, and whilst wines had an injury interrupted season and therefore not allowing him to draw a proper comparison as jelwood played a full 22 games in year 3, the similarities continued. In his third season jelwood had a sc 100%tog of 132.8 and wines sc 100%tog of ..................... 132.7.

Freaky.
the next fantasy 'elite'

Boom!!

 

[chels]

God damn it. I was pretty much set with my midfield setup with Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Rocky, Wines, Libba and now Titchell looks an interesting prospect.

Tom Mitchell always looked like an interesting prospect.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

This time last year KLo (I think it was him) did a big write up comparing Wines to Selwood and from memory it was pretty compelling. Mitchell is definitely good, but I'm not yet convinced that he is a better prospect than Wines in 2016, especially when Wines is $38k cheaper

Agree with this. Notable from the table was Mitchell tagged, Shield was tagged and Wines was injured in their poor scores. One is a freak of nature (if not soft tissue type injuries), the others are deliberate strategy of coaches. I don't think you should take chances on coaches changing their strategies. Also, does Callum Mills change the equation for the sydney midfield.

Sloane is a different beast. He could get tagged (and be impacted by coaches strategies) or he could get injured (nothing freakish, he leads with his head into every contest even post his injuries I noted last year). see the opportunity/upside in him because he has always been a contested player (not outsider) and extra attention shouldn't greatly impact. However, when its the start of the season you have the choice not to take too much risk if there is other value in the market place.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Ignoring price - Wines v Libba (highest ave / most points)?

 

[KLo30]

Ignoring price - Wines v Libba (highest ave / most points)?

Upper Body: Libba > Wines. Wines has had plenty of time to strenthen shoulder. Missed games are unpredictable as shoulders are normally (GAZ aside) successful and predictable in rehabilitation time.

Lower Body: Wines > Libba. Libba will have had 13 months to overcome ACL. ACL victims have history of hamstring/knee issues in first season back. More predictable occurrence of missed games and usually slower to get going.

Therefore, Wines ahead in both average and total points.

 

[bianchije]

wines hasn't re-signed yet, lets hope if hes on the way out hes more dangerfield than james aish.

imo wines > libba (just because of acl recovery)

on that topic; does anyone have stat history on player returns from ACL's specifically?

 

[KLo30]

Wines is a country boy (Echuca). Adelaide's pace is more comparable and the parents travel is still substantial either way. They all miss home. Some are more adapted than others.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

^^ interesting responses guys. Consideration of the injury typs and recovery / reoccurrence prospects as well as contract status adds an extra element to the considerations.

FWIW I think Wines is likely to stay at Port, so not sure contract negotiations will be a big issue with him (although who really knows what might happen).

I currently have both Wines & Libba in my team but considering options for upgrading one to an uber premium. I had been thinking that both could average in the 105-112 range, but I think there is more downside risk with Libba. The prospect that Libba may be more likely to miss more games than Wines has me thinking that he would be the one to upgrade, however I would need to find at least $250k to do so. I'll need to put a bit of thought into this.

With this in mind, which combination would you prefer

1. Wines, Libba, Smith
Or
2. Wines, JPK (or similar), Def rookie (D4)

 

[KLo30]

^^ interesting responses guys. Consideration of the injury typs and recovery / reoccurrence prospects as well as contract status adds an extra element to the considerations.

FWIW I think Wines is likely to stay at Port, so not sure contract negotiations will be a big issue with him (although who really knows what might happen).

I currently have both Wines & Libba in my team but considering options for upgrading one to an uber premium. I had been thinking that both could average in the 105-112 range, but I think there is more downside risk with Libba. The prospect that Libba may be more likely to miss more games than Wines has me thinking that he would be the one to upgrade, however I would need to find at least $250k to do so. I'll need to put a bit of thought into this.

With this in mind, which combination would you prefer

1. Wines, Libba, Smith
Or
2. Wines, JPK (or similar), Def rookie (D4)

Wines, JPK and Def Rookie (D4).

I'm not convinced that Libba can reach a 105+ average for the season. I'm less convinced he can hit that threshold before the byes.

If he can do so before the byes he becomes legitimate stepping stone, and also a legitimate keeper option at M8. If not, he is neither a stepping stone or high probability keeper at M8.

 

[Jordan]

I'm not convinced that Libba can reach a 105+ average for the season. I'm less convinced he can hit that threshold before the byes.
If he can do so before the byes he becomes legitimate stepping stone, and also a legitimate keeper option at M8. If not, he is neither a stepping stone or high probability keeper at M8.

Another thing you have to consider is how you spend the cash if you downgrade libba

I am cursed explained this well in another thread.
You also have to ask yourself how much you value the trade that you would wouldn't use if you take libba.
But it comes down to points netted contributing to weekly score on field + cash made from him. He has to average 105 to make just 150k which can be considered a bare minimum compared to rookies.
To end my ramble it's
Weekly score vs cash generation and which one you value more.
Last little bit, those with libba early will be at an advantage but mid to end year those who didn't start him might have netted more cash from a rookie but gotten less points

Like everyone he's a wait and see prospect in the NAB cup. If you are selecting him as a keeper, $357k is a bargain. That's the camp I'm in. I have had Libba in the past and he is a Supercoach beast. Unless I see something really unexpected in the NAB cup, I'm picking him as a $357k fallen premium who I expect to be there in round 23.

If you are picking him as a cash cow it's a bit more complex. Libba has to average 105 to return the same $ as a $117k rookie averaging 60. Assuming they hit that target, you are banking an extra 45 points per week with Libba. So the only question for you is - where is the other $240k going?

If you think the $240k will net you 45 points elsewhere in your team and give you a better structure, go for it. If you are doing it to upgrade Martin (let's say he averages 105) to Goldstein (115) and Lewis (105) to Pendles (115) it's probably not worth it. The names might look better on paper but you are actually 25 points behind per week.

Rough numbers, but you get the gist!

 

[MrMurdoch]

Interesting one...

Laird + Bartel + Libba vs Shaw + Fyfe + Def rookie

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Interesting one...

Laird + Bartel + Libba vs Shaw + Fyfe + Def rookie

Laird, Bartel & Libba the better option. Two, possibly three keepers while the other option has only a maximum of 2 keepers.

I also think Shaw and Fyfe are good upgrade targets due to Shaw's expensive starting price and Fyfe's injured back and interrupted pre-season.