Opinion Round 5: Teams and In Game Discussions

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Personally don't understand why a 26 year old player would need a rest after 4 games, especially when he has no history of serious injuries from what I've heard. Interesting reasoning
Feeder league into AFL is a large increase in intensity regardless of age. Couple the number of games with NAB and match practice and a game off or two is not unreasonable.
 

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Was Oliver dropped? If so why hold him?
Reading comprehension suggests rested. Therefore, a choice to be made into likely ins after this point. eg. Petracca and Trengrove.
 

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Petracca will only play if Jeff Garlett doesn't get up according to Dees twitter.
 
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Will probably hold both Oliver and Davis this week. Not worth downgrading Davis yet
 

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Clayton Oliver has been rested after playing the first four matches of the AFL season, along with Melbourne’s three NAB Challenge games.

Mahoney said Melbourne had used Bernie Vince’s return to the side as an opportunity to replace Oliver with a high quality midfielder.

“We’ve been very happy with the way Clayton has handled his early games of AFL,” Mahoney said.

“We knew through the year that he and our other younger players would be rested and he started to show some signs of tiring last week.

“With the return of Bernie from suspension, we’ve taken the opportunity to rest Clayton with the thinking of maximising his output throughout the year.”
Can't see Oliver being an auto-inclusion for Rd 6.
 

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Eade did mention that he planned to rotate players to combat the rigours of the interchange cap. Seems like that's exactly what he's doing this week. Think Davis will be back, but not sure how much more money he can make. I don't think rotating another M/F or D/M premium into my mids is worthwhile so he stays for me.
 
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Reckon Oliver has to go for me. He hasn't made as much money as I would like, (in hindsight Parish was the pick) but I've got to get things moving.

With Petracca coming in soon, I'm willing to cut my losses and upgrade Oliver this week for a premo (one up one down situation) especially given the premo is likely to go up in price about the same about as Oliver would in two weeks after he comes back, whenever that might be (if that makes sense).
 
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Bit of a loophole conundrum here:

Option A: Name Stefan Martin on field:

This will allow me to take all 3 of DBJ, Hewett and McCarthy if they score well, by swinging Griffin into R3 and Wyatt up forward.

Option B: Put Stefan Martin on the bench with the E:

This guarantees me the ability to use the VC loophole; but it also means that I won't be able to swing Griffin and Wyatt without losing Martin's score - of course, it allows me to loophole Stefan Martin...
 

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Bit of a loophole conundrum here:

Option A: Name Stefan Martin on field:

This will allow me to take all 3 of DBJ, Hewett and McCarthy if they score well, by swinging Griffin into R3 and Wyatt up forward.

Option B: Put Stefan Martin on the bench with the E:

This guarantees me the ability to use the VC loophole; but it also means that I won't be able to swing Griffin and Wyatt without losing Martin's score - of course, it allows me to loophole Stefan Martin...
Your team is linked right? I'm not sure I understand why you lose a VC loophole with Option B as you have Uebergang there, are you planning to trade him out this week?

You have the scenario setup that I did consider too. I'd lock in tippa on field with DBJ & McCarthy both E and make an Ueber switch with Tippa to whichever E scores higher. I highly doubt that McCarthy would score higher than Martin so I would just stick Martin on the ground. Make the Griffin switch if he's a late out obviously. You can loop Hewett/Menadue with Davis so that's no problem.
 

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What's the story with the GC rucks? Nicholls just scored 126, and appears to have been dropped in favour of someone with less than 10 matches played ... against the best ruck in the competition? Surely not.
 

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What's the story with the GC rucks? Nicholls just scored 126, and appears to have been dropped in favour of someone with less than 10 matches played ... against the best ruck in the competition? Surely not.
I have no idea.

I was however wondering how much they factored in Currie being a former Roo and would know Goldstein very well. When you think about it there are only a 2 to 4 rucks at most teams whereby they often do specialised ruck training, so they would actually spend a lot of time together, both learning off each other as well as competing against each other. No one in the league would probably know Goldstein as well as Currie does. So was it a bit of a horses for course type selection? Is Rocket hoping Currie comes out fired up trying to prove his worth?
 

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What's the story with the GC rucks? Nicholls just scored 126, and appears to have been dropped in favour of someone with less than 10 matches played ... against the best ruck in the competition? Surely not.
I have no idea.

I was however wondering how much they factored in Currie being a former Roo and would know Goldstein very well. When you think about it there are only a 2 to 4 rucks at most teams whereby they often do specialised ruck training, so they would actually spend a lot of time together, both learning off each other as well as competing against each other. No one in the league would probably know Goldstein as well as Currie does. So was it a bit of a horses for course type selection? Is Rocket hoping Currie comes out fired up trying to prove his worth?
Agreed with your summation on the possible reasoning behind the Currie selection Phil.

What I don't get is why drop Nicholls and bring in P Wright, surely Nicholls is ahead of him???

Edit: maybe with May's suspension, forcing them to move Day back to defence so needed to bring in a tall forward? Still puzzling thought...
 

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What's the story with the GC rucks? Nicholls just scored 126, and appears to have been dropped in favour of someone with less than 10 matches played ... against the best ruck in the competition? Surely not.
Maybe part of Currie's contract required a 1v1 ruck off game against North. GC just avoiding their legal liability :p
That or it's all part of Eade's plan to rotate players due to effects of interchange cap and Nicholls has been given a rest.
 
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Your team is linked right? I'm not sure I understand why you lose a VC loophole with Option B as you have Uebergang there, are you planning to trade him out this week?

You have the scenario setup that I did consider too. I'd lock in tippa on field with DBJ & McCarthy both E and make an Ueber switch with Tippa to whichever E scores higher. I highly doubt that McCarthy would score higher than Martin so I would just stick Martin on the ground. Make the Griffin switch if he's a late out obviously. You can loop Hewett/Menadue with Davis so that's no problem.

Basically, option B makes it almost absolutely certain I can use the loophole , even if all my emergency rookies fail miserably; I can still use Uebergang in most circumstances - but with Wyatt playing in the last game of the round; I can loophole anybody into anybody, and you'd take Martin 99 times out of 100; but it also means that if McCarthy scores well, I can't swing Griffin to R3 and Wyatt to the Forward line without losing Martin's score.

After Papley to DBJ, my team will look something like this:

*=Emergency

DEF: Adams, Bartel, Yeo, Sheridan, McDonald-Tipungwuti, Brown (Hartley, Byrne-Jones*)

MID: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood, Rockliff, Liberatore, Barlow, Lonergan (Hewett*, Davis, Dunkley)

RUC: Goldstein, Martin, (Wyatt)

FWD: Zorko, Hall, Wells, Griffin, Kerridge, Uebergang (McCarthy*, Menadue)

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The first threshold is early Saturday; when Sydney play. If Hewett comes out with a decent score, then I can put Dunkley onfield to take it; and swing Menadue with Barlow. If not, Barlow stays.

Then on Saturday night, if Byrne-Jones scores well, I can swing Uebergang via Brown back to take his score. If he doesn't, then I can use Brown or Hartley as cover.

If both Byrne-Jones and McCarthy score well, I can swing Uebergang back, and Wyatt with Griffin.

Giving me a forward line of Zorko, Hall, Wells, Kerridge, Barlow/Menadue, Wyatt(McCarthy) - but it also means the C loophole is tied to the E loophole somewhere.

It probably won't matter; It is highly likely that I'll be able to loophole the C no matter what; but option b gives me a safety net in the worst case scenario (McCarthy, B-J, Hewett all 30's), whereas Option A allows me to take everything in the best case scenario (McCarthy, B-J, Hewett all 100's.)
 

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Thanks guys - maybe the inside scoop on Goldy is the key, and they're taking the opportunity to have that game coincide with a rest for Nicholls. You'd think the team sheets would reflect that though, and they don't.

I now see that Nicholls played much of the game without Stef, which must have helped his scoring somewhat.

As an owner, I hope Currie can hold his own and a spot. I didn't expect him to be picked ahead of Nicholls - I thought it would be alongside, or when Nicholls went down - but I'll certainly take it as a start :)
 
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I find it hard to believe inside knowledge on how Goldstein rucks is the reason for Currie getting a game.
 

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Basically, option B makes it almost absolutely certain I can use the loophole , even if all my emergency rookies fail miserably; I can still use Uebergang in most circumstances - but with Wyatt playing in the last game of the round; I can loophole anybody into anybody, and you'd take Martin 99 times out of 100; but it also means that if McCarthy scores well, I can't swing Griffin to R3 and Wyatt to the Forward line without losing Martin's score.

After Papley to DBJ, my team will look something like this:

*=Emergency

DEF: Adams, Bartel, Yeo, Sheridan, McDonald-Tipungwuti, Brown (Hartley, Byrne-Jones*)

MID: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood, Rockliff, Liberatore, Barlow, Lonergan (Hewett*, Davis, Dunkley)

RUC: Goldstein, Martin, (Wyatt)

FWD: Zorko, Hall, Wells, Griffin, Kerridge, Uebergang (McCarthy*, Menadue)

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The first threshold is early Saturday; when Sydney play. If Hewett comes out with a decent score, then I can put Dunkley onfield to take it; and swing Menadue with Barlow. If not, Barlow stays.

Then on Saturday night, if Byrne-Jones scores well, I can swing Uebergang via Brown back to take his score. If he doesn't, then I can use Brown or Hartley as cover.

If both Byrne-Jones and McCarthy score well, I can swing Uebergang back, and Wyatt with Griffin.

Giving me a forward line of Zorko, Hall, Wells, Kerridge, Barlow/Menadue, Wyatt(McCarthy) - but it also means the C loophole is tied to the E loophole somewhere.

It probably won't matter; It is highly likely that I'll be able to loophole the C no matter what; but option b gives me a safety net in the worst case scenario (McCarthy, B-J, Hewett all 30's), whereas Option A allows me to take everything in the best case scenario (McCarthy, B-J, Hewett all 100's.)
Ahh, I've figured out your scenario now. I think it's highly probable you'll be taking DBJ's score over Brown/Hartley (who probably score 50s). Go with Option A. If they all fail, just go Fyfe C and don't worry about your loophole.
 

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A bit of a mix bag at the selection table for my team.

  • Hewett making a surprise appearance to hopefully kick-start his cash generation and rid that horrible 19 from his pricing cycle.
  • Papley maintaining his spot reinforcing his role as the 'preferred' small forward in the team, slow burner but flame is still flickering nevertheless.
  • Davis being rested (if we're to believe Eade) so should come back refreshed and hopefully turn those 50's into 60's.
  • Milera injured which means he'll become one of the DEF bubble boy, not ideal as he hasn't made enough cash but someone has to be the sacrificial lamb.
Thinking of grabbing another of those DEF bubble boy to add to my Rookie den, along with Petracca, they will suffice for the meantime.

I will look to do another 2 upgrades over the next couple of rounds (Shaw and Pendlebury are my targets) which should get my team to a state where I can initiate the 'HOLDING' pattern in preparation for UPGRADE season leading up to the MBRs.

Hopefully I can execute on the above as so far, my trading have been more on the 'reactive' rather than 'proactive'.

Players movement to date for my team (I would like to think 3 injury & 2 correction trades):

OUT: Robinson, Rockliff, BCrouch, J McGovern & Gresham

IN: Treloar, Selwood, Zorko, BenKen & Papley

Still needing a further 6-7 downgrade options to complete my team so hoping they appear at the right times. Those on my watch list includes...

DEF: Lee, Tucker, Broad, both Collins
MID: Mathieson, Keays, Polkinghorne, Cunningham, Freeman
FWD: Howard
 
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