Opinion Questions For Rowsus

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
3 Feb 2014
Messages
3,702
Likes
5,297
AFL Club
West Coast
Hi Eagling,
I never realised what a glut of trades you had left! 7 for after Round 17 should be looked upon as a luxury!!!!
I say, trade away, and get the players you want, regardless of the cover your bench is providing! Your trades are providing just as good, and sometimes better, cover.
I'd look upon MacPherson as either deadwood, or a late trade to Greenwood/Beech to use a FD.
Well done on doing so well, and having so many trades left!!!
Thanks Rowsus. If you see the Adams/McDonald-Tipungwuti question, feel free to disregard it as I was trying to come up with a good way to get 18 on field in Round 15 and keep good cover in defence; now I'll just go for my plan to bring Dusty in (and hope Mitch Robinson doesn't suffocate him), and continue with my trades as planned.

Thanks for coming back to this; I was wracking my brain trying to come up with an alternative trade plan.
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Rowan,

I think I may have a question that may tickle your taste buds...:p

Provided that Tucker, Collins & Jansen are all selected to play for this round what would be the likelihood or probability that they can muster up a combined $34,200 in cash generation for the round?

In another words, what scoring range do each player needs to hit or what combined score do they need to achieve in order to guarantee that cash generation?

Here's their respective stats to date to save you digging:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: white, align: center"]Player[/TD]
[TD="width: 88, bgcolor: white, align: center"]Price[/TD]
[TD="width: 22, bgcolor: white, align: center"]BE[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, bgcolor: white, align: center"]Games[/TD]
[TD="width: 235, bgcolor: white, colspan: 5, align: center"]Scores to date (latest first)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]D Tucker[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]$218,000 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]46[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]71[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]63[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]34[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]67[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]S Collins[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]$213,400 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]34[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]59[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]39[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]100[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]59[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]J Jansen[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]$174,900 [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]60[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"]98[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: white, align: center"][/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
Thanh,
to make $34,200 they need to outscore their combined B/E's by $34,200/440 = 78 points.
The scoring range is what I'd expect them to score 80 - 90% of their games.
Tucker B/E 18, Ave 56, expected scoring range - 40 to 70
Collins B/E 34, Ave 64, expected scoring range - 45 to 80
Jansen B/E 13, Ave 64, expected scoring range - 40 to 70

Combined, their B/E's total 65, so you need their scores to combine to 65 + 78 = 143.
Their combined expected scoring ranges come to 125 to 220.
Given the goal combined score is only 18 above the low of the expected scoring range, I'll rate them about an 80% chance to achieve your $34,200 goal.
I hope it works out for you!
 
Joined
14 Feb 2013
Messages
1,595
Likes
279
AFL Club
North Melb.
Hey t.t6, congratulations on the season so far.
Let's tackle this point by point.
Is Tippett missing likely to impact Hannebery/Parker?
To make a fair comparison, we can only look at 2015, when Hannebery had his form and fitness at roughly the same as this season. We do this by looking at the games where Pyke was playing the main Ruck, and Tippett was playing mainly KPP Forward. Rounds 3 to 14 last season seems to be the ones to look at, and Tippett moved to number one ruck after that. Pyke was a better Ruckman at getting the tap than many probably realise, but he obviously wasn't recording too many H2A's!
In the period we are looking at, Sydney won the taps 499 to 438. Pyke missed Round 13, and recorded 323 of Sydney's 464 Hitouts, in the games he played, that we are looking at. That's 70% of Sydney's Hitouts in those games, where Pyke averaged 32 Hitouts/game, but only averaged 66 SC in thos games. Obviously he wasn't giving his Mids the ball on a platter!
In this period Hannebery averaged 120, and Parker averaged 109. This compares favourably with their season averages of 115 and 100 respectively. I think you don't need to worry about Tippett being out affecting Hannebery or Parker's out put.

I think the two Mids you need to add are Sloane and Hannebery, and I'd be grabbing Sloane this week, as I'm expecting him to score well this week. Here is an excerpt from an answer I gave earlier tonight.



Sloane is currently listed as having only 6% ownership, though that will obviously rise this week. I still think he will represent a decent enough POD in the top 100, to help you climb the rankings further. Hannebery has a potentially toughish Draw, facing WB, Geel and Haw after the bye, so I'd grab Sloane before him.

I've looked at Conca a couple of times myself, as an option of floating bench cover. I can only telly you, I decided the risk is too great, and i'm nowhere near where you are. I know you need to take some risks, but I just think he might be missing when you really need him. 3 games in the past 1.5 seasons just makes the risk far greater than the potential reward, especially as it burns an invaluable trade.

Good luck, I hope you can continue on your incredible climb up the rankings! :)
Thanks Row,

After some thought I've decided Conca is a bit too much of a risk and if my trading plan works, Wells will be my "bench cover" with my M/F rookie so I can swing him through both lines to maximise scoring potential. The way I'm seeing it is that I don't have both Libba and Wells this week regardless and there's no need to trade out a keeper who's only missing 2 weeks. It seems a waste of a trade. I was always going to "upgrade" Libba, so this weeks seems as good a moment as any.

I think I've decided to go:
Libba, Petracca and Menadue to Sloane, Lids and Phillips

Now I know Phillips JS is questionable (as you mentioned earlier) but I'm putting him in the same category as Bailey Williams. I grabbed Williams for his D/M status knowing he'd get some game time (he's already scored 2 more games than I thought he would and was VERY handy last week with a 69 haha). But the main reason I selected him was due to the fact that I'll be keeping AMT to use as a swing-set to cover any short-term injuries at the back end of the year. Phillips would provide the same degree of freedom allowing Wells to float through both lines - especially if I need Lycett (who i want to grab post round 15) for ruck cover. his would allow me to use my remaining trades for key (long term) injuries/suspensions only (unless deemed otherwise). As you can see, the Williams selection was done with one eye looking into the future :)

In saying that, I've broken the cardinal rule of "not trading in a rookie early" a couple of times this season (Jansen and Collins) and this was on the basis that they were both mature age - which Phillips is not. But out of Reid and Phillips, I see Phillips getting more game time. I might also have to look in to who plays more late games during the back end of the season (unless you already have? :eek:).

Would love to hear your thoughts here.

Thanks again for all your great work :)

EDIT: just realised I'm 16k short for this trade and would have to drop Davis instead of Menadue... :(
 
Last edited:
Joined
24 Apr 2013
Messages
11,173
Likes
13,044
AFL Club
Carlton
Hey Row, what do you think of Nankervis as a cheaper R/F as opposed to say Lycett?
Ideally I would like my ruck cover to be sitting at F7 rather than F6 so Lycett would be kinda wasted there and the money saved could be used elsewhere.
I know Nankervis will be playing 2nd fiddle to Sinclair, just wanted youryour thoughts on it.
Thanks as usual.
 
Joined
21 Mar 2012
Messages
4,202
Likes
6,469
AFL Club
Carlton
Hi Brian,
I think I'd go Montagna this week, and wait on Enright.
You get the bonus of one more Premium score during the byes, added to safety of not kicking yourself, if something happened to Enright in the next 2 weeks. When looking at Rance v Enright, I think there won't be much between them score-wise, but Enright might possibly get rested/managed somewhere/sometime.
Thanks Rowan, think I will be debating this one right up until I hit the button, and waiting for teams to drop to.
 
Joined
18 Jun 2012
Messages
6,116
Likes
11,954
AFL Club
Melbourne
Hi Ash,
things are ok for me, and I hope they are for you too.
I think Sloane is some chance to go big on Thursday, so much so, I'm thinking of VC'ing him. Without Ben Jacobs tagging, North have been giving up some decent Mid scores: (the number in brackets is what they were averaging coming into this game)
Rnd 13 - Lewis 129 (93), Mitchell S 110 (99)
Rnd 12 - Dangerfield 229 (125), Selwood 141 (109)
Rnd 11 - Grigg 120 (99), Cotchin 115 (110), Miles 115 (90)
Rnd 10 - Mitchell T 178 (99), Kennedy JP 161 (104)
Sloane averaged 119 at home last season, and 128 in home wins. Those numbers go up to 126 and 140 if you take out his injury affected 69 in Round 5.
Adelaide's Draw is pretty soft in the run home, where as Sydney face WB, Geel and Haw after their bye.
If it comes down to prioritising Sloane or McVeigh, I'd go Sloane!

If you find yourself chasing a cheap Mid, rather than getting S Mitchell, who will likely miss a game or two from here to the finish, consider Gaff or S Thompson, who are both cheaper, and might even aggregate more than Mitchell, from now to the end of the season!

Good luck, I hope you jump the right way!
Thanks so much for your thoughts Rowan,

You certianaly post a rosy picture for Sloane.

I guess at the end of the say it comes down to team balance, I must say that this stage my defence is leaking badly, but the other problem is that aside from Laird, I really don't like the other round 13 bye defenders, the only other option aside from Laird is Smith and not sure I want to compromise on that pick to.

I think the best option at this stage is to go with the Laird and Sloane option and worry about the rest later on.

Thanks once again so much for your thoughts.

Cheers,

Ash
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Thanks Row,

After some thought I've decided Conca is a bit too much of a risk and if my trading plan works, Wells will be my "bench cover" with my M/F rookie so I can swing him through both lines to maximise scoring potential. The way I'm seeing it is that I don't have both Libba and Wells this week regardless and there's no need to trade out a keeper who's only missing 2 weeks. It seems a waste of a trade. I was always going to "upgrade" Libba, so this weeks seems as good a moment as any.

I think I've decided to go:
Libba, Petracca and Menadue to Sloane, Lids and Phillips

Now I know Phillips JS is questionable (as you mentioned earlier) but I'm putting him in the same category as Bailey Williams. I grabbed Williams for his D/M status knowing he'd get some game time (he's already scored 2 more games than I thought he would and was VERY handy last week with a 69 haha). But the main reason I selected him was due to the fact that I'll be keeping AMT to use as a swing-set to cover any short-term injuries at the back end of the year. Phillips would provide the same degree of freedom allowing Wells to float through both lines - especially if I need Lycett (who i want to grab post round 15) for ruck cover. his would allow me to use my remaining trades for key (long term) injuries/suspensions only (unless deemed otherwise). As you can see, the Williams selection was done with one eye looking into the future :)

In saying that, I've broken the cardinal rule of "not trading in a rookie early" a couple of times this season (Jansen and Collins) and this was on the basis that they were both mature age - which Phillips is not. But out of Reid and Phillips, I see Phillips getting more game time. I might also have to look in to who plays more late games during the back end of the season (unless you already have? :eek:).

Would love to hear your thoughts here.

Thanks again for all your great work :)

EDIT: just realised I'm 16k short for this trade and would have to drop Davis instead of Menadue... :(
Happy to help, t.t6.
It sounds like a plan, pity about the Davis/Menadue bit!
If you are picking between Phillips and Reid this week, then it comes down to purpose, I believe. I think Phillips is more likely to play more games than Reid, but both will be shakey on that front. If you are picking from a loopholing point of view, then Reid is a mile in front!
GWS game placement count, Rnd 16 on - 3, 9, 9, 2, 4, 4, 4, - Ave 5.0
Coll game placement count, Rnd 16 on - 3, 6, 1, 4, 1, 1, 5 - Ave 3.0
Neither is a terrific option, but Phillips pretty much sucks at it, with those 3 ones in there!

Good luck!
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Hey Row, what do you think of Nankervis as a cheaper R/F as opposed to say Lycett?
Ideally I would like my ruck cover to be sitting at F7 rather than F6 so Lycett would be kinda wasted there and the money saved could be used elsewhere.
I know Nankervis will be playing 2nd fiddle to Sinclair, just wanted youryour thoughts on it.
Thanks as usual.
Hey MMM,
I think if you are picking a R/F to sit at F7, with the hope he will provide some loopholing opportunities and cover, then Nankervis is the man! Not many teams would be placed well enough cash and trade-wise to sit Lycett at F7, without compromising cover elsewhere. I say go for it!
 
Joined
14 Feb 2013
Messages
1,595
Likes
279
AFL Club
North Melb.
Happy to help, t.t6.
It sounds like a plan, pity about the Davis/Menadue bit!
If you are picking between Phillips and Reid this week, then it comes down to purpose, I believe. I think Phillips is more likely to play more games than Reid, but both will be shakey on that front. If you are picking from a loopholing point of view, then Reid is a mile in front!
GWS game placement count, Rnd 16 on - 3, 9, 9, 2, 4, 4, 4, - Ave 5.0
Coll game placement count, Rnd 16 on - 3, 6, 1, 4, 1, 1, 5 - Ave 3.0
Neither is a terrific option, but Phillips pretty much sucks at it, with those 3 ones in there!

Good luck!
Thanks for the game placement counts Row :)

Phillips/Reid don't HAVE to play games but a few would be handy.

Also - from looking at it...if I grab Lids this week, I don't think I can get Hanners the following week. So I might have to cut my losses and bring in Hall instead. GCS did look much better against the Suns and you'd think GAJ would get more attention. Hopefully Rocket throws Hall into a few more centre bounces thought (like earlier in the year). If he was carrying anything it looks to have gone from his NEAFL performance last week.

Thoughts?
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Thanks for the game placement counts Row :)

Phillips/Reid don't HAVE to play games but a few would be handy.

Also - from looking at it...if I grab Lids this week, I don't think I can get Hanners the following week. So I might have to cut my losses and bring in Hall instead. GCS did look much better against the Suns and you'd think GAJ would get more attention. Hopefully Rocket throws Hall into a few more centre bounces thought (like earlier in the year). If he was carrying anything it looks to have gone from his NEAFL performance last week.

Thoughts?
I have to be honest with you, and say I wouldn't be bringing Hall in.
you've done a far better job this season, than I ever have, but if you need to make a compromised selection this week, so you can afford Hannebery next week, I'd look elsewhere.
I'd be tossing up between Lynch and Montagna (not sure if you already have him, I can only see last weeks scorers in your team).
I have no confidence in Hall bouncing back to be a useful scorer, unless last years situation, and early this years situation represents itself, and GC have players out, forcing a role change on Hall.
Montagna is Montagna, and might miss a game due to age/wear and tear. He usually scores ok, for a guy you can have in your forward line.
Lynch had a horror stretch of 4 consecutive games, where he averaged 56, and outside of those 4 games, he has averaged 104.
Hall seems to be really dependant on role, to score well. His role depends on injuries, and while the longer the season goes, the more injuries a club is likely to have, he just seems to much of a risk to me.
 
Joined
14 Feb 2013
Messages
1,595
Likes
279
AFL Club
North Melb.
I have to be honest with you, and say I wouldn't be bringing Hall in.
you've done a far better job this season, than I ever have, but if you need to make a compromised selection this week, so you can afford Hannebery next week, I'd look elsewhere.
I'd be tossing up between Lynch and Montagna (not sure if you already have him, I can only see last weeks scorers in your team).
I have no confidence in Hall bouncing back to be a useful scorer, unless last years situation, and early this years situation represents itself, and GC have players out, forcing a role change on Hall.
Montagna is Montagna, and might miss a game due to age/wear and tear. He usually scores ok, for a guy you can have in your forward line.
Lynch had a horror stretch of 4 consecutive games, where he averaged 56, and outside of those 4 games, he has averaged 104.
Hall seems to be really dependant on role, to score well. His role depends on injuries, and while the longer the season goes, the more injuries a club is likely to have, he just seems to much of a risk to me.
Thanks for the honesty :) always appreciated.

Already have Montagna (got him last week). But Lynch is an interesting one. Apart from Buddy I've always tended to stay away from KPP's. Don't you think he'll struggle to score considering how beat up GCS have been getting? And just thought of Motlop - although he's VERY up and down.

If you were in my position - who would you go with if I already have: Dusty, Zorko, Merrett, Montagna, Wells?
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Thanks for the honesty :) always appreciated.

Already have Montagna (got him last week). But Lynch is an interesting one. Apart from Buddy I've always tended to stay away from KPP's. Don't you think he'll struggle to score considering how beat up GCS have been getting? And just thought of Motlop - although he's VERY up and down.

If you were in my position - who would you go with if I already have: Dusty, Zorko, Merrett, Montagna, Wells?
If you need to pick a compromised, Rnd 13 bye playing, F6 this week, so you can easily reach Hannebery next week, it sort of comes down to budget.
If you can afford Jenkins, then Adelaide will probably win more games than GC, so he might be a better pick. He is averaging 95 this season, and Adelaide have a friendly Draw: Nth, Melb, Carl, Coll, Geel, Ess, Bris, Fre, Port, WC. His scores in losses this season have been: 91, 55, 140, 74 for an average of 90, and he's been averaging 97 in wins.
Lynch averaged 87.5 in 16 losses last season, and 91.8 in 4 wins. His scores in losses this season have included: 114 (Bris), 122 (Melb), 116 (Rich), as well as his obviously bad scores, in his horror stretch. GC play: Haw, Stk, Bris, WB, Fre, Melb, GWS, Ess, Coll, Port, so it's not really a horror Draw.
To be honest, there's probably not a lot between them. Lynch can be a hot head, and get distracted, where Jenkins is more mature. Lynch will have more ups downs in his scoring, with probably not many vanilla scores. You'll be cheering, or pulling your hair out. All in all, I don't see $130k difference, in what they'll probably produce. Given the prices are so far apart, even though Jenkins might be a "safer" pick, I'd go Lynch.


As I said, this is all predicated on you needing a compromised Rnd 13 F6, so you can reach Hannebery comfortably next week.
Lynch might be horrible this week against Haw, but it is the toughest game he faces, for the rest of the season!
I think it comes down to a bet on injuries and form. If you think GC will have a Mid injury or two, and be horrible, get Hall, if you think they can hold out, and be competitive, without necessarily winning too many games, get Lynch.
 
Last edited:
Joined
24 Apr 2013
Messages
11,173
Likes
13,044
AFL Club
Carlton
Hi Row,

After yesterday's putrid performance from Brodie Smith, I just realized that he may be a problem as my D6 moving forward.
For someone who is low on trades, do you think it's more damaging to my rankings to have Smith at D6 or to have Libba at M8?
I wanted to move Libba on this week but now this has got me thinking.
I can possibly loop Smith (D6) and Adams (D7) here on in but not sure if that's a good idea?

DEF
Shaw, Bartel, Simpson, Rance, Laird, Smith, Adams, Lee

MID
Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Gaz, Sloane, Ward, Priddis, Libba, Trengove, Jansen, XXX

Thank for your thoughts as usual
 
Joined
14 Feb 2013
Messages
1,595
Likes
279
AFL Club
North Melb.
Hi Row,

After yesterday's putrid performance from Brodie Smith, I just realized that he may be a problem as my D6 moving forward.
For someone who is low on trades, do you think it's more damaging to my rankings to have Smith at D6 or to have Libba at M8?
I wanted to move Libba on this week but now this has got me thinking.
I can possibly loop Smith (D6) and Adams (D7) here on in but not sure if that's a good idea?

DEF
Shaw, Bartel, Simpson, Rance, Laird, Smith, Adams, Lee

MID
Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Gaz, Sloane, Ward, Priddis, Libba, Trengove, Jansen, XXX

Thank for your thoughts as usual
Just my 2c. Having Smith at D6 hurts more I reckon. Libba will put up better scores more often where Smith can REALLY stink it up.
 
Joined
6 May 2013
Messages
1,244
Likes
245
AFL Club
Carlton
Hi Rowsus,

I keep flip flopping who to trade out of Hurn (77 avg) and AMT (76 avg, DPP) this week.

My current backline is Shaw, Bartel, Gibson, Laird, Hurn, AMT, Collins, Tucker. I'm looking to upgrade one of Hurn or AMT to Simpson.

Usually you'd say keep Hurn (as he was selected at 408k to be a 'keeper') and upgrade AMT as he's done his job. Given my trade situation though (will be ~5 left post byes), there's every chance the one I don't upgrade remains as D6 for a decent amount of weeks from now, or for the rest of the season.

At the moment I'm keeping Hurn, but AMT's DPP could prove handy cover for the forward line. Having said that, I intend to keep Petracca as an M9/F7 floater so it's not like the forward line won't have players covering...

I'm still no closer after typing this out haha, it's very lineball. Thoughts?

EDIT: Other factors that are making me lean towards Hurn are AMT's ownership, I'm effectively solidifying a POD by moving him on (one of the main reasons why I traded out Libba and Wells), and the fact that AMT may hit the wall at some stage, whereas Hurn is a seasoned professional. Just wish his SC scoring was consistently professional this year! A punt that has treaded water and not been a disaster, but far from stellar. Normally easily corrected (like other coaches would have done with Sheridan/Lonergan), but I've already used such trades on Robinson, BCrouch and ZSmith :rolleyes:
 
Last edited:

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Hi Row,

After yesterday's putrid performance from Brodie Smith, I just realized that he may be a problem as my D6 moving forward.
For someone who is low on trades, do you think it's more damaging to my rankings to have Smith at D6 or to have Libba at M8?
I wanted to move Libba on this week but now this has got me thinking.
I can possibly loop Smith (D6) and Adams (D7) here on in but not sure if that's a good idea?

DEF
Shaw, Bartel, Simpson, Rance, Laird, Smith, Adams, Lee

MID
Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Gaz, Sloane, Ward, Priddis, Libba, Trengove, Jansen, XXX

Thank for your thoughts as usual
Just my 2c. Having Smith at D6 hurts more I reckon. Libba will put up better scores more often where Smith can REALLY stink it up.
Hi MMM,
right now, the 8th ranked Mid only player by average is Steven, with 110, and the 15th is Parker with 107.
The 6th ranked, non-injured Def player is Rance with 98, and the 10th is Enright with 94
I think you should be comparing your expectations with the 15th and 10th ranked players, as you never end up with all the top players on any line so my numbers say it is:
Libba to average around 98 compared to the 15th players 107
v
Smith to average around 82 compared to the 10th ranked players 94

Under these numbers, Smith is causing you more harm, and with the added bonus of a D6 should be cheaper to find than an M8, I think if you are going to fix one, you fix Smith. Your numbers on Libba and Smith might be different to mine, of course.
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,137
Likes
64,919
AFL Club
Melbourne
Hi Rowsus,

I keep flip flopping who to trade out of Hurn (77 avg) and AMT (76 avg, DPP) this week.

My current backline is Shaw, Bartel, Gibson, Laird, Hurn, AMT, Collins, Tucker. I'm looking to upgrade one of Hurn or AMT to Simpson.

Usually you'd say keep Hurn (as he was selected at 408k to be a 'keeper') and upgrade AMT as he's done his job. Given my trade situation though (will be ~5 left post byes), there's every chance the one I don't upgrade remains as D6 for a decent amount of weeks from now, or for the rest of the season.

At the moment I'm keeping Hurn, but AMT's DPP could prove handy cover for the forward line. Having said that, I intend to keep Petracca as an M9/F7 floater so it's not like the forward line won't have players covering...

I'm still no closer after typing this out haha, it's very lineball. Thoughts?

EDIT: Other factors that are making me lean towards Hurn are AMT's ownership, I'm effectively solidifying a POD by moving him on (one of the main reasons why I traded out Libba and Wells), and the fact that AMT may hit the wall at some stage, whereas Hurn is a seasoned professional. Just wish his SC scoring was consistently professional this year! A punt that has treaded water and not been a disaster, but far from stellar. Normally easily corrected (like other coaches would have done with Sheridan/Lonergan), but I've already used such trades on Robinson, BCrouch and ZSmith :rolleyes:
Hi kakarot,
I really think it is as simple as this. If you think your coverage is good enough, without AMT's DPP to help it, trade AMT, otherwise trade Hurn. I agree, that all things being equal, I would be more likely to keep Hurn over AMT, for the reasons you stated.
 
Joined
24 Apr 2013
Messages
11,173
Likes
13,044
AFL Club
Carlton
Hi MMM,
right now, the 8th ranked Mid only player by average is Steven, with 110, and the 15th is Parker with 107.
The 6th ranked, non-injured Def player is Rance with 98, and the 10th is Enright with 94
I think you should be comparing your expectations with the 15th and 10th ranked players, as you never end up with all the top players on any line so my numbers say it is:
Libba to average around 98 compared to the 15th players 107
v
Smith to average around 82 compared to the 10th ranked players 94

Under these numbers, Smith is causing you more harm, and with the added bonus of a D6 should be cheaper to find than an M8, I think if you are going to fix one, you fix Smith. Your numbers on Libba and Smith might be different to mine, of course.
If I were to fix Smith as expected, it has to be next week, before his value drops any further.
The only player that I probably can afford next week is McVeigh. Is that worth a trade?
I could also do Libba to Parker to generate extra cash and maybe get someone higher like Pittard.
So I guess the question really is:

* Brodie Smith > McVeigh and Libba > Parker, worth 2 trades to potentially fix up my D6 and M8?
 
Last edited:
Joined
6 May 2013
Messages
1,244
Likes
245
AFL Club
Carlton
Hi kakarot,
I really think it is as simple as this. If you think your coverage is good enough, without AMT's DPP to help it, trade AMT, otherwise trade Hurn. I agree, that all things being equal, I would be more likely to keep Hurn over AMT, for the reasons you stated.
Cheers Row, AMT being upgraded all but locked now.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top