Position Forwards Discussion

[Blue Dragons]

Personally I think its more about how many have the same bye. If you picked three from each team with the round 13 bye, for example, that would be 18 out that round, which is far too many even though it's only three per side. Which team they happen to play for is less relevant in my view.

The other main considerations would be (1) whether they can all score well in the same side (are Dunkley and Mclean mutually exclusive as food picks? Even if they are, is this a problem, or are you happy to use them as a hedge?), and (2) that loopholing is more effective if you have players across a spread of teams (because this implies they will be playing at different times). The loopholing benefit is most relevant for the players that are likely to be loopholed (top premiums/premiums with a high ceiling, and middle quality rookies, or those with very up and down scoring).

That's another good way to look at it. The more I am looking at it the more I am liking 3+ from at least two clubs which is not ideal!
GWS is another example where there could be Whitfield, Williams, Kelly, Taranto, Mumford and Greene - and I am pretty keen on the first 4 of those players!

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

Anyone else bothered by the lack of R14 bye forwards? Nobody I've considered starting besides Lynch and Greene and both have injury concerns. Upgrade targets may present themselves later but who knows.

Im looking at JRoo but id probably want Lynch to play most of the season, if Lynch toggles between onfield and rehab I find the JRoo pick less appealing.

Wouldn't mind Jack having Carlton all to himself R1 though.

 

[Santoz]

Nice stats on Daniher! Those 2017 stats look very consistent which is good, not that big a difference between wins / losses. Although then again, if you compare with JJK who has a 105 / 70 W/L split, perhaps Daniher doesn't have that big of a ceiling on him.

The plus is that Daniher is much cheaper, so anything around an 80-85 avg would be a win from him.

Again, I'm glad to see I'm not the only person to still be considering Daniher despite the interrupted preseason.

I think you're mad to consider Daniher in all honesty. He could hardly move last season and has hardly trained this season. Being a Don I obviously hope I'm wrong.

 

[Bomber18]

I think you're mad to consider Daniher in all honesty. He could hardly move last season and has hardly trained this season. Being a Don I obviously hope I'm wrong.

Yeah definitely is quite crazy to consider him - double whammy if he's unable to play well enough for essendon and also costs me a trade early.

Everything is still subject to seeing him play a full game in JLT - only so much a few training highlights can tell you (although they did look promising!). Remains to be seen if he does play a full game of JLT or not.

 

[pizza safety]

Why is the forward line so messed up?

After Danger and Heeney you had Wingard and Gray as good options but both have had interrupted preseasons and have concerns over role, especially starting the year coming off injuries they might play more forward time.

Then you have Dunkley who is in my team but whose role is uncertain.

Devon Smith is a decent pick but only has 1 year behind him justifying his price (also only year with that midfield opportunity) and is always an injury risk. My concern is that his tackle numbers won’t maintain and with Shiel coming in he won’t see more mid time and could lose a little.

McLean whose role looks uncertain but could be a good pick. Just too risky.

Menegola has had an interrupted preseason and T Kelly looks like a good pick but has a bad bye.

Currently running Mundy with little confidence at F3 thinking he could be a safe bet with more midfield minutes but age is a serious worry.

Dunkley at F4 and will stay there pending JLT

Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[Yikes]

Why is the forward line so messed up?

After Danger and Heeney you had Wingard and Gray as good options but both have had interrupted preseasons and have concerns over role, especially starting the year coming off injuries they might play more forward time.

Then you have Dunkley who is in my team but whose role is uncertain.

Devon Smith is a decent pick but only has 1 year behind him justifying his price (also only year with that midfield opportunity) and is always an injury risk. My concern is that his tackle numbers won’t maintain and with Shiel coming in he won’t see more mid time and could lose a little.

McLean whose role looks uncertain but could be a good pick. Just too risky.

Menegola has had an interrupted preseason and T Kelly looks like a good pick but has a bad bye.

Currently running Mundy with little confidence at F3 thinking he could be a safe bet with more midfield minutes but age is a serious worry.

Dunkley at F4 and will stay there pending JLT

Anyone have any thoughts?

forward line has been much easier to pick than recent years. above average premiums, midpricers and average rookies. i wish i could pick 10 forwards this years instead of 8. you're overthinking things

 

[pizza safety]

forward line has been much easier to pick than recent years. above average premiums, midpricers and average rookies. i wish i could pick 10 forwards this years instead of 8. you're overthinking things

Cant relate to that at all, what 10 would you be picking? There’s about 20 midfielders I’d like to pick though

Felt like last year was way better with plenty of mid priced value and less overpriced players. I started McLean, Smith and Sicily and saved heaps of money. This year we only have Wingard with an injury cloud.

 

[Herbie66]

forward line has been much easier to pick than recent years. above average premiums, midpricers and average rookies. i wish i could pick 10 forwards this years instead of 8. you're overthinking things

Totally agree , looks like there is 20 that will average 90+ and then ones like Gresham , JJK , Worpel , Greene , Daniher , Moore etc etc

Just got to find the right starting balance , 5-0-3 or 4-1-3 will be popular I think

 

[Yikes]

Cant relate to that at all, what 10 would you be picking? There’s about 20 midfielders I’d like to pick though

find out when the season starts but i can tell you i've locked in 3 from ur list and they haven't left my team for 2 months

 

[pizza safety]

Totally agree , looks like there is 20 that will average 90+ and then ones like Gresham , JJK , Worpel , Greene , Daniher , Moore etc etc

Just got to find the right starting balance , 5-0-3 or 4-1-3 will be popular I think

I don’t like any of those ones, Gresham is a potential player based on JLT but the rest are very doubtful.

 

[Herbie66]

I don’t like any of those ones, Gresham is a potential player based on JLT but the rest are very doubtful.

fair enough

still have at least 20 to pick from , only need 6-7 in the end

 

[pizza safety]

find out when the season starts but i can tell you i've locked in 3 from ur list and they haven't left my team for 2 months

Haha well I disagree, I liked the Wingard and Gray picks before the injury news came out. I like Tim Kelly but don’t like his bye. The defence, rucks and midfield is pretty straight forward in my opinion but the forward line is a mess after the first two. Plenty of ok picks but hard to know which ones are the right one

 

[pizza safety]

fair enough

still have at least 20 to pick from , only need 6-7 in the end

I just think Gray with injury, role and age, Smith with injury and role, McLean and Dunkley with role, Wingard with injury and role, Menegola with injury, Mundy with age, everyone has an asterisk. Kelly doesn’t have any of those issues, should see more mid time and the only question is can he back it up? I’ll probably end up picking him despite the fact I don’t like his bye

I’d much rather by pass this and gamble on a midpricer and spend the cash elsewhere

 

[Yikes]

Haha well I disagree, I liked the Wingard and Gray picks before the injury news came out. I like Tim Kelly but don’t like his bye. The defence, rucks and midfield is pretty straight forward in my opinion but the forward line is a mess after the first two. Plenty of ok picks but hard to know which ones are the right one

really? i actually think defence this year is extremely difficult, there's no way of knowing his scoring impacts players without seeing some actual scores. mids i agree is straight forward, rucks somewhat difficult but isn't that the case every year?

 

[pizza safety]

really? i actually think defence this year is extremely difficult, there's no way of knowing his scoring impacts players without seeing some actual scores. mids i agree is straight forward, rucks somewhat difficult but isn't that the case every year?

The prospectus basically tells me interceptors will be negatively affected and kick out takers will be positively affected. Sicily might lose 5-10 from the 6-6-6 rule and gain it all back from kick outs. Whitfield should play wing and will be helped by the openness, Witherden, Williams and B Smith will be helped by the kick in rule. Just my take at the moment

 

[Herbie66]

I just think Gray with injury, role and age, Smith with injury and role, McLean and Dunkley with role, Wingard with injury and role, Menegola with injury, Mundy with age, everyone has an asterisk. Kelly doesn’t have any of those issues, should see more mid time and the only question is can he back it up? I’ll probably end up picking him despite the fact I don’t like his bye

I’d much rather by pass this and gamble on a midpricer and spend the cash elsewhere

well you have put a line through 8 of them

Gray & Wingard are both expected to play JLT.
Gray will play the same role he has the last 3-4 seasons , when Kenny needs a lift in Robbie goes.
Agree with Dunkley & McLean.
Smith not so sure about.
Wouldn't worry about a Bye if you are keen on the player.

Guessing Danger & Heeney are locks.

Still leaves Hawkins , Westhoff , Franklin , McDonald , Gunston , Breust , Riewoldt , Wallis , Hogan , Robinson etc etc

Spoiled for choice

As long as all the mid pricers mentioned previously but you don't like them , but now you might pick a mid-price ? , interested what other mid pricers you have your eye.

Still 4 weeks out , so I am not ruling out Gray or Wingard just yet.

 

[Yikes]

The prospectus basically tells me interceptors will be negatively affected and kick out takers will be positively affected. Sicily might lose 5-10 from the 6-6-6 rule and gain it all back from kick outs. Whitfield should play wing and will be helped by the openness, Witherden, Williams and B Smith will be helped by the kick in rule. Just my take at the moment

don’t u also think there will be less cheap kicks downback? so the impact of new rules on those 3 isn’t a clear cut?

 

[Herbie66]

don’t u also think there will be less cheap kicks downback? so the impact of new rules on those 3 isn’t a clear cut?

interesting comment

lot of people getting excited about the new kick in rules , yet comments I have read from about 6 clubs say they won't necessarily have a designated kicker and it may be closest to the ball that actually kicks it in to keep the game moving.

Think people may be dissapointed by this 6-6-6 rules , once general plays start it will pretty much be 2-14-2 with the majority of players still in one half and then "roll" forward.

Wish they made the rule that at least 2 players from every team had to stay inside F50 at all times.

Maybe if the umpires throw the ball up quicker and actually apply the incorrect disposal of the ball , the congestion will clear.

I always though when you were tackled you had to kick or handball it away , not just drop or pass it.

Tighten the existing rules up and we might actually end up with a "better" looking game than the rolling U9 maul we have in place now.

Just my thoughts

 

[pizza safety]

don’t u also think there will be less cheap kicks downback? so the impact of new rules on those 3 isn’t a clear cut?

Cheap kicks will still happen and they wouldn’t get many cheap kicks from the kick out anyway because they usually take the kick out. Don’t think Williams or Brodie get too many cheap kicks in any case

 

[XabiFernando]

interesting comment

lot of people getting excited about the new kick in rules , yet comments I have read from about 6 clubs say they won't necessarily have a designated kicker and it may be closest to the ball that actually kicks it in to keep the game moving.

Roughly 50% of behinds will be scored from a set shot so each team will have time to get their designated kicker back to the goal line.

As for the other 50% - I see it as completely up in the air based on:
a) a team's overall desire to play quickly or slowly; and
b) how much better the preferred kicker is than his team-mates.

Going to be tuning in to JLT like I never have before!