Discussion Rookie Discussion

[Darkie]

Anyone going to be starting more than 1 or 2 of Ridely, Roberton, Moore, Cousins, Walsh, LDU, Rozee?

The more i look at the rookies, the more i'm tempted to get 3 or 4 of these blokes and just hope for the best.

Walsh, Moore, Roberton for me. All pretty safe in my side if Roberton is healthy.

 

[Bomber18]

totally agree

fascinates me when people post Rookie X and Rookie Y have good JS , before they are even named to debut , let alone show they are capable they belong at this level

I think it’s worth thinking about players returning from injury in R2-3.....

 

[pizza safety]

Anyone got any additional opinions on the JS of the following guys?? Who are they fighting with for a spot in the best 22? Who are guys that are injured in R1 who might take their spot in R2-3?? I think these guys could have decent scoring potential but seem to have iffy JS.

Balta
J.Clark
Hore
Petruccelle
B.Scott
Atkins
Hind
W.Hayes

I'm comfortable with starting Collins, Butters, Scrimshaw, Drew, Setterfield, Walsh, Duursma, Gibbons so I haven't listed them above. Ridley, Moore also being considered separately, possibly as fall backs depending on the above rookies. Burgess/Parker seem to have strong JS but iffy scoring potential, perhaps will take one of them only.

I have some thoughts as follows

J.Clark, had great stats in the JLT but it's hard to pick him if Tuohy doesn't play R1. Is J.Clark ahead of Bews and Henderson? Like his scoring potential, but have concerns on his JS - are the Cats good with playing their youngsters?
Balta, also was quite good in the JLT, but possibly comes out for Caddy and/or TLynch even if named in R1. I think he offers something extra to the Tigers though with his relief rucking. TLynch surely can't do it with knee concerns. Scoring in JLT2 may have been affected by Soldo playing 25% TOG - doubt Soldo plays in R1. I like him still as an option and it'll be hard not to pick him if named R1.
Hore, seems to be quite decent - had 92% TOG in JLT2 and Petty, Wagner and Frost didn't get any. Probably a good indication that he's in Goodwin's plans for R1 but there's still quite a few names he's contending with on a weekly basis.
Petruccelle, seems like more of a bench option as his scoring might be a bit up and down, but WRioli/Ryan types were great cash cows last year. Could have just snuck in for round one with his good JLT2 performance, but I see that Jamie Cripps is listed as 3-4 weeks away. When Cripps is back, does he come straight out? He probably could cement that spot with some good performances
B.Scott, probably competing with a few fringe roos but I've seen him in the R1 side of a few posters on BF. Any North supporters have a view?
Atkins, scored great in both games with decent TOG in both. Seems to be in a lot of R1 sides on the Cats BF board. I think he's a good one to put on the bench - who's he competing with? Clark?
Hind, didn't score exceptionally well in either JLT game but did only have 50% odd TOG in both. Still seems to be in the R1 side of a few posters on BF - any saints supporters have a view?
W.Hayes, probably hasn't done enough based on JLT. Low TOG and scoring in both games, but he is mature aged. Appears to just be on the cusp according the doggies BF board.

I feel like it'll just be the usual rookie pot luck with these guys. Some of them could be awesome hindsight picks despite low JS (ie: Papley, Houston, Otten types), others could be annoying. I haven't been convinced enough on the scoring of McKay or D.Joyce as genuine KPDs so am not considering them at this point. McKay might not have JS either once Thompson and Tarrant return.

Edit: added Duursma.

Nice post.

I'd say with Jordan Clark that he seems to be the exact type of player the cats "need" in their side. Their defence lacks a quick rebounding defender and Clark is exactly that. I'd imagine that one of the older players comes out and the cats try to use him with Tuohy and that's what the cats probably envisioned when they drafted him. My concern before the year was that he was coming off glandular but he seems to have gotten past that. That's my outlook but any cats fans feel free to correct me.

Matthew Knights said on Clark after JLT1:
“He was super. He defended really well in the air and managed to spoil in situations where he was out of it,” Knights said.

“Some of his dash and leg speed off half-back was really exciting for all of us.

“He’s gone about his work diligently in the pre-season but, a bit like Tim Kelly last year, from his first couple of sessions we thought ‘well hang on here, this is a young man who is going to be pressing from round one’.

“I’m not the coach, but I would (play him round one).” https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/g...ely-round-one-debut-at-geelong-ng-b881129906z

Good point with Petrucelle and Cripps returning. LeCras is out of the side but they might just restructure instead of replace him. Burgess is another option but maybe not a good one.

 

[Herbie66]

I think it’s worth thinking about players returning from injury in R2-3.....

obviously , think I have posted about 20 times (conservatively) about the returning Port players.

How anyone can know a players JS though before they debut just makes me laugh every time I see it.

Although if Walsh is BOG on Thursday week he is so good he is going straight into the Hall of Fame ?

 

[pizza safety]

totally agree

fascinates me when people post Rookie X and Rookie Y have good JS , before they are even named to debut , let alone show they are capable they belong at this level

You're right, Sam Walsh doesn't have any more job security than Michael Gibbons.

 

[Bomber18]

Nice post.

I'd say with Jordan Clark that he seems to be the exact type of player the cats "need" in their side. Their defence lacks a quick rebounding defender and Clark is exactly that. I'd imagine that one of the older players comes out and the cats try to use him with Tuohy and that's what the cats probably envisioned when they drafted him. My concern before the year was that he was coming off glandular but he seems to have gotten past that. That's my outlook but any cats fans feel free to correct me.

Matthew Knights said:
“He was super. He defended really well in the air and managed to spoil in situations where he was out of it,” Knights said.

“Some of his dash and leg speed off half-back was really exciting for all of us.

“He’s gone about his work diligently in the pre-season but, a bit like Tim Kelly last year, from his first couple of sessions we thought ‘well hang on here, this is a young man who is going to be pressing from round one’.

“I’m not the coach, but I would (play him round one).” https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/g...ely-round-one-debut-at-geelong-ng-b881129906z

Good point with Petrucelle and Cripps returning. LeCras is out of the side but they might just restructure instead of replace him. Burgess is another option but maybe not a good one.

That does sound promising re Clark. I still worry about all their defenders.

FB: Bews, Blicavs, Stewart
HB: Henry, Taylor, Tuohy

Int: Henderson, Clark...?

Z.Guthrie, M’O’connor other fringe types.

I’d be very comfortable taking Clark if he was named alongside Tuohy, but if not, I’d be nervous....

 

[pizza safety]

That does sound promising re Clark. I still worry about all their defenders.

FB: Bews, Blicavs, Stewart
HB: Henry, Taylor, Tuohy

Int: Henderson, Clark...?

Z.Guthrie, M’O’connor other fringe types.

I’d be very comfortable taking Clark if he was named alongside Tuohy, but if not, I’d be nervous....

I'd say he plays over Henry or Bews, it's pretty "defensive" as it is haha.

I'll add to my original post that just watching Geelong games they often seem overly stagnant coming out of the back. That's partly by design but it has to be a worry.

 

[Bomber18]

obviously , think I have posted about 20 times (conservatively) about the returning Port players.

How anyone can know a players JS though before they debut just makes me laugh every time I see it.

Although if Walsh is BOG on Thursday week he is so good he is going straight into the Hall of Fame ?

You’re right in that no one would know for sure, but you can make an assessment of JS - some people are better at this than others, or just have better luck at this.

 

[pizza safety]

That does sound promising re Clark. I still worry about all their defenders.

FB: Bews, Blicavs, Stewart
HB: Henry, Taylor, Tuohy

Int: Henderson, Clark...?

Z.Guthrie, M’O’connor other fringe types.

I’d be very comfortable taking Clark if he was named alongside Tuohy, but if not, I’d be nervous....

Forgot about Kolodjashnij, he's almost definitely coming back into the side but I'd still maintain they need another rebounding defender.

Average disposals per game in 2018 out of the 8 mentioned

Tuohy 21.9
Stewart 20.1
Henderson 15.3
Blicavs 14.6
Kolodjashnij 12.6
Taylor 12.1
Bews 11
Henry 10.6

I'd say that Clark plays instead of Bews

 

[bomberboy]

You're right, Sam Walsh doesn't have any more job security than Michael Gibbons.

You also wouldn't pick Walsh if he was a lockdown back pocket...

 

[pizza safety]

You also wouldn't pick Walsh if he was a lockdown back pocket...

You wouldn't, but Walsh also has no more job security than Bailey Scott

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Going full GnR with 2 mid-pricers?

?

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Anyone think Jarrod Brander could get a game in that strong Eagles side? Probably unlikely, but would love to hear what people had to say.

 

[Bomber18]

Anyone think Jarrod Brander could get a game in that strong Eagles side? Probably unlikely, but would love to hear what people had to say.

You forgot to ping @Lost In The Sky

From what LITS was saying before, it appears Oscar Allen would be the one that WCE would want to be getting games in so I’d say if there was a spot, Allen would be taking it?

I admit that I did completely overlook Brander. Averaged 60 and is 135k. Should be talked about at least!

 

[Goodie's Guns]

You forgot to ping @Lost In The Sky

From what LITS was saying before, it appears Oscar Allen would be the one that WCE would want to be getting games in so I’d say if there was a spot, Allen would be taking it?

I admit that I did completely overlook Brander. Averaged 60 and is 135k. Should be talked about at least!

Yeah that's what I suspect. Allen and Petreccelle look like they'll be there round 1. Brander probably misses out, but yeah, he hasn't been mentioned much even after his good JLT2 score and price.

 

[Bomber18]

Yeah that's what I suspect. Allen and Petreccelle look like they'll be there round 1. Brander probably misses out, but yeah, he hasn't been mentioned much even after his good JLT2 score and price.

Although judging by FF - did he play defence in JLT2?

 

[Lost In The Sky]

You forgot to ping @Lost In The Sky

From what LITS was saying before, it appears Oscar Allen would be the one that WCE would want to be getting games in so I’d say if there was a spot, Allen would be taking it?

I admit that I did completely overlook Brander. Averaged 60 and is 135k. Should be talked about at least!

Anyone think Jarrod Brander could get a game in that strong Eagles side? Probably unlikely, but would love to hear what people had to say.

Brander is a little behind Allen for mine. I think both are best suited to key forward roles, but both can also play key defensive roles as well. Brander is our long term JK replacement.

Last year in the WAFL, Allen was playing mainly down back and Brander up forward. Halfway through the season they switched and those positions have stayed the same over the summer. With Allen playing up forward and even training to pinch hit in the ruck and Brander playing defensive and pushing up onto the wing.

Our back 6 is incredibly hard to crack into at the moment with Gov & Barass occupying the key defender roles, So games are still going to be hard to come by for Brander unless injury occurs. It's a nice position to be in having that young tall talent in reserve.

Much easier for Allen to get a spot in the 22 with that vacant LeCras spot up for grabs.

 

[McLovin]

Forgot about Kolodjashnij, he's almost definitely coming back into the side but I'd still maintain they need another rebounding defender.

Average disposals per game in 2018 out of the 8 mentioned

Tuohy 21.9
Stewart 20.1
Henderson 15.3
Blicavs 14.6
Kolodjashnij 12.6
Taylor 12.1
Bews 11
Henry 10.6

I'd say that Clark plays instead of Bews

I think a Clark type is exactly what they need. Trying to get rebound out of key position players (even if they are a little undersized) like Kolodjashnij, Stewart and Henry isn't helping Geelong at all. I don't understand why they're using Blicavs as a key defender when that's the last thing they need.

 

[bomberboy]

You wouldn't, but Walsh also has no more job security than Bailey Scott

Touche!

Too many options this year... Let's just trust autopick

 

[Buddy Starmart]

was thinking can i get away with with starting 4 mid rookies this year thoughts .