Strategy Round 6: Trades

[bomberboy]

4 hours until the first game, and I have no idea what I'm doing. This is the most confusing round yet!

Clark to JLo and Collins to Baker gives me 577k to double upgrade next week - but feel like having that sitting in the bank this week is a bit of a waste.

Here are the options I have this week...

1. Clark and Parker to Baker and JLo - gives me 492k in the bank. Doesn't help me this week in terms of upgrading, but does build the warchest.

2. Collins and Parker to Baker and Daniel - leaving me with 176k in the bank.

3. Clark and Parker to JLo and Daniel - leaving me with 175k in the bank.

4. The aforementioned Clark and Collins to JLo and Baker - leaving me with 577k in the bank, which could potentially stretch to 3 upgrades with another downgrade.

Next week, I think Scrimshaw leaves, along with a midfielder - maybe Atkins to Hayes? Scrimshaw and Atkins to Hayes and Lloyd appeals.

Argh!

 

[Deeman1]

@bomberboy

Option 2 for me.

 

[quite ironic]

@quite ironic

I don't think I've ever come across a coach who's as thorough as you are with your trades planning, you certainly leave NO stones unturned. My only worry is whether you remember the best path forward after laying everything out here for all to see!

If anything, your openness in sharing all your possible trade scenarios may enlighten others to see a path forward for their own team which they may not have considered. That in itself is a good thing, plus I enjoy reading your regular updates to your thinking behind your trades...

Thanks THCLT! I think i jot down a lot of the things that are going through people's heads to the point where some of it would be useful and other parts quite annoying for people!

 

[gutsroy]

Have thought about:
Goldstein > Baker via Bines (leaving ROB to temporarily shoulder R2 duties amd enabling multiple upgrades over next three weeks)

Goldstein to Crisp via Bines and Moore (leaving ROB at R2 and only one genuine FWD rookie on-field)

Sideswapping Scott or Balta/Parker for Ross / Baker

But they all feel like forcing the issue too much.

 

[bomberboy]

@bomberboy

Option 2 for me.

Thanks mate. Think I agree, after looking at the options. Really hoping Collins doesn't come back to bite me.

 

[EyeloveRichmond]

Good trade I reckon and he has a good bye. Don’t think either Rookie are must have haves, I’m bringing Baker this week and I don’t expect him to keep scoring 80+. One of Hately and Hayes look necessary to have next week so if you can get one of those you’ll be fine (you already have stack)

I’ll be looking at getting Sic in next week after I downgrade one of my players to one of those two above mentioned mids but might have to settle for Stewart or Ryan if his price gets out of hand.

Thanks very much for your detailed response, much appreciated & agree with all you said above. Good luck for this week & season ahead.

 

[Rickwood]

4 hours until the first game, and I have no idea what I'm doing. This is the most confusing round yet!

Clark to JLo and Collins to Baker gives me 577k to double upgrade next week - but feel like having that sitting in the bank this week is a bit of a waste.

Here are the options I have this week...

1. Clark and Parker to Baker and JLo - gives me 492k in the bank. Doesn't help me this week in terms of upgrading, but does build the warchest.

2. Collins and Parker to Baker and Daniel - leaving me with 176k in the bank.

3. Clark and Parker to JLo and Daniel - leaving me with 175k in the bank.

4. The aforementioned Clark and Collins to JLo and Baker - leaving me with 577k in the bank, which could potentially stretch to 3 upgrades with another downgrade.

Next week, I think Scrimshaw leaves, along with a midfielder - maybe Atkins to Hayes? Scrimshaw and Atkins to Hayes and Lloyd appeals.

Argh!

I have pretty much the same dilemma, but I do have Greene returning this week (yes I took that ride..) which strengthens my team. All week (well since Monday) I'd done 1up/1down - but the cash made via the double downgrade this week really opens up my options, so I'm following your option 1/4

alternatively I like 3 - hoping that Collins has a ripper in the Q clash

 

[quite ironic]

4 hours until the first game, and I have no idea what I'm doing. This is the most confusing round yet!

Clark to JLo and Collins to Baker gives me 577k to double upgrade next week - but feel like having that sitting in the bank this week is a bit of a waste.

Here are the options I have this week...

1. Clark and Parker to Baker and JLo - gives me 492k in the bank. Doesn't help me this week in terms of upgrading, but does build the warchest.

2. Collins and Parker to Baker and Daniel - leaving me with 176k in the bank.

3. Clark and Parker to JLo and Daniel - leaving me with 175k in the bank.

4. The aforementioned Clark and Collins to JLo and Baker - leaving me with 577k in the bank, which could potentially stretch to 3 upgrades with another downgrade.

Next week, I think Scrimshaw leaves, along with a midfielder - maybe Atkins to Hayes? Scrimshaw and Atkins to Hayes and Lloyd appeals.

Argh!

A lot of people seem to be trading in Lockhart this week which does seem a bit confusing to me.
I see the appeal with a lack of defensive rookies and those waiting for a downgrade may be waiting a while. However, Lockhart has questionable JS imo with a lot of 23-29 fringe players for Melbourne who could come in at anytime.

A lot of players face that issue as rookies, however he doesn't appeal as a guy with high scoring potential either which is the worry for mine.

Scores of 32 and 57 (after kicking a goal and being 25 in the 1st quarter against Essendon, if I remember correctly) scream NO for mine.

He actually got that 32 with 76% TOG and 50+ inside 50's (albeit mainly poor entries) as a small forward that game which further shows poor scoring.

In saying that, who would've thought Gibbons would score a 100+... I guess as a mature age player though who was a proven reserves goal kicker, in hindsight that was always possible..

I don't see that in Lockhart personally.


I think option 2 is the best and safest option. If you look in the forwards discussion thread you'll see why I think Daniel is a good pick for the next 2-4 weeks at a minimum and Baker looks to be a better scoring rookie (in just as hard spot (the forwardline) to find one).

Next week I'd look at Scrimshaw and Atkins -> Sicily/Laird and Hately if you can do that.




EDIT: I see you said Collins leaving the team scares you, I have been through this dilemma myself. What I did see that made me change my mind slightly was, Collins is going to be on the bench anyway in D7, he may score better than Clark but he doesn't have much more to rise after this week imo with that 45 in his scoring for 2 more weeks.

He might go ok against Brisbane but I did see a poster mention when Brisbane are direct they cut out intercept markers this year and if they get on top (which seems likely) it could mean a bad scoring day for Collins.

I, like i'm sure you are too, see Clark having the same BE as Collins and a much poorer scorer, who may not even play this week and think I want to get him out more than Collins but you have to remember Collins is already 305k and has a 45 to come into his BE for the next 2 weeks along with however he goes this week. If they are on your bench in D7/D8 anyway I don't think it's too much of an issue cutting Collins over Clark this week.

 

[Rickwood]

A lot of people seem to be trading in Lockhart this week which does seem a bit confusing to me.
I see the appeal with a lack of defensive rookies and those waiting for a downgrade may be waiting a while. However, Lockhart has questionable JS imo with a lot of 23-29 fringe players for Melbourne who could come in at anytime.

A lot of players face that issue as rookies, however he doesn't appeal as a guy with high scoring potential either which is the worry for mine.

Scores of 32 and 57 (after kicking a goal and being 25 in the 1st quarter against Essendon, if I remember correctly) scream NO for mine.

He actually got that 32 with 76% TOG and 50+ inside 50's (albeit mainly poor entries) as a small forward that game which further shows poor scoring.

In saying that, who would've thought Gibbons would score a 100+... I guess as a mature age player though who was a proven reserves goal kicker, in hindsight that was always possible..

I don't see that in Lockhart personally.


I think option 2 is the best and safest option. If you look in the forwards discussion thread you'll see why I think Daniel is a good pick for the next 2-4 weeks at a minimum and Baker looks to be a better scoring rookie (in just as hard spot (the forwardline) to find one).

Next week I'd look at Scrimshaw and Atkins -> Sicily/Laird and Hately if you can do that.




EDIT: I see you said Collins leaving the team scares you, I have been through this dilemma myself. What I did see that made me change my mind slightly was, Collins is going to be on the bench anyway in D7, he may score better than Clark but he doesn't have much more to rise after this week imo with that 45 in his scoring for 2 more weeks.

He might go ok against Brisbane but I did see a poster mention when Brisbane are direct they cut out intercept markers this year and if they get on top (which seems likely) it could mean a bad scoring day for Collins.

I, like i'm sure you are too, see Clark having the same BE as Collins and a much poorer scorer, who may not even play this week and think I want to get him out more than Collins but you have to remember Collins is already 305k and has a 45 to come into his BE for the next 2 weeks along with however he goes this week. If they are on your bench in D7/D8 anyway I don't think it's too much of an issue cutting Collins over Clark this week.

For me, it's the combo of the JLo price/coin from Clark and the lack thereof from exiting Parker. JLo could possibly be a loop going fwd, as boy have I picked the wrong rookies in DEF

 

[Shaahorn]

Lockhart & Ross in

Clark & Parker out

 

[NT.Thunder]

I was wondering if anyone was doing this as I’m considering it as well but feels like it might become problematic when ROB fully matures.

What would be the plan when it’s time to cash ROB in? Without the flexibility of bringing in a fwd to replace him, it would probably have to be another donut unless someone puts their hand up or you wanted to pay a little extra for Clarke who might get another game at some stage.

Yeah that's what I'm struggling with at the moment. I like the idea of another cash cow in Baker but not happy about the cash needed to go to him from Bines and reduced options when ROB matures like you say. With Balta and Bines sitting on my forward bench I'm really nervous.

 

[bomberboy]

A lot of people seem to be trading in Lockhart this week which does seem a bit confusing to me.
I see the appeal with a lack of defensive rookies and those waiting for a downgrade may be waiting a while. However, Lockhart has questionable JS imo with a lot of 23-29 fringe players for Melbourne who could come in at anytime.

A lot of players face that issue as rookies, however he doesn't appeal as a guy with high scoring potential either which is the worry for mine.

Scores of 32 and 57 (after kicking a goal and being 25 in the 1st quarter against Essendon, if I remember correctly) scream NO for mine.

He actually got that 32 with 76% TOG and 50+ inside 50's (albeit mainly poor entries) as a small forward that game which further shows poor scoring.

In saying that, who would've thought Gibbons would score a 100+... I guess as a mature age player though who was a proven reserves goal kicker, in hindsight that was always possible..

I don't see that in Lockhart personally.


I think option 2 is the best and safest option. If you look in the forwards discussion thread you'll see why I think Daniel is a good pick for the next 2-4 weeks at a minimum and Baker looks to be a better scoring rookie (in just as hard spot (the forwardline) to find one).

Next week I'd look at Scrimshaw and Atkins -> Sicily/Laird and Hately if you can do that.




EDIT: I see you said Collins leaving the team scares you, I have been through this dilemma myself. What I did see that made me change my mind slightly was, Collins is going to be on the bench anyway in D7, he may score better than Clark but he doesn't have much more to rise after this week imo with that 45 in his scoring for 2 more weeks.

He might go ok against Brisbane but I did see a poster mention when Brisbane are direct they cut out intercept markers this year and if they get on top (which seems likely) it could mean a bad scoring day for Collins.

I, like i'm sure you are too, see Clark having the same BE as Collins and a much poorer scorer, who may not even play this week and think I want to get him out more than Collins but you have to remember Collins is already 305k and has a 45 to come into his BE for the next 2 weeks along with however he goes this week. If they are on your bench in D7/D8 anyway I don't think it's too much of an issue cutting Collins over Clark this week.

Thanks mate, awesome post.

I agree with all the points made here - and think it's the right move to make going forward. Like the idea of getting Laird in next week as well!

I think I'm just getting FOMO with Lockhart - but given his scoring so far, I think it's a safer bet to skip him given that I'm doing pretty well rookie wise. Hopefully he doesn't knock out a 95 tonight .

 

[bomberboy]

I have pretty much the same dilemma, but I do have Greene returning this week (yes I took that ride..) which strengthens my team. All week (well since Monday) I'd done 1up/1down - but the cash made via the double downgrade this week really opens up my options, so I'm following your option 1/4

alternatively I like 3 - hoping that Collins has a ripper in the Q clash

Greene, oh dear . Hopefully he knocks out a 120 for you for your troubles mate!

 

[IDIG]

Yeah that's what I'm struggling with at the moment. I like the idea of another cash cow in Baker but not happy about the cash needed to go to him from Bines and reduced options when ROB matures like you say. With Balta and Bines sitting on my forward bench I'm really nervous.

Yeah I’m in a similar position with Balta/Bines on my bench which is really worrying as I’m most likely going Parker to Baker who could be gone just as quickly as he’s come (I know General consensus is his JS is ok).

I’m also really struggling to see the value in the Parker to Baker trade but that’s a completely different matter!

 

[Bomber18]

Feels like there might be a few more rookies named this round. I’m scared to lock in Lockhart if Answerth or Rotham are named in future rounds.

Leaning towards now just grabbing Baker and Laird.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Yeah I’m in a similar position with Balta/Bines on my bench which is really worrying as I’m most likely going Parker to Baker who could be gone just as quickly as he’s come (I know General consensus is his JS is ok).

I’m also really struggling to see the value in the Parker to Baker trade but that’s a completely different matter!

I've only seen limited game time of Baker but what I have seen looks pretty good. Seem's to find the ball no problems and uses it well so I'm more confident that given minutes his scoring should be more consistent than what Parkers is which to me relies solely on goals and pressure acts.

 

[7/11]

A lot of people seem to be trading in Lockhart this week which does seem a bit confusing to me.
I see the appeal with a lack of defensive rookies and those waiting for a downgrade may be waiting a while. However, Lockhart has questionable JS imo with a lot of 23-29 fringe players for Melbourne who could come in at anytime.

A lot of players face that issue as rookies, however he doesn't appeal as a guy with high scoring potential either which is the worry for mine.

Scores of 32 and 57 (after kicking a goal and being 25 in the 1st quarter against Essendon, if I remember correctly) scream NO for mine.

He actually got that 32 with 76% TOG and 50+ inside 50's (albeit mainly poor entries) as a small forward that game which further shows poor scoring.

In saying that, who would've thought Gibbons would score a 100+... I guess as a mature age player though who was a proven reserves goal kicker, in hindsight that was always possible..

I don't see that in Lockhart personally.

The one thing I think that attracts people to Lockhart is the fact he could end up being their loophole player. This might be especially important for teams that traded in ROB last week for their original loophole player. It's not a sound basis to be making the trade I know, but I can see the possibilities that bring about the temptation presented in trading in Lockhart.

 

[TommyGobbler]

Option 1:
Clark > Lockhart
Milera > Laird

Option 2:
Setterfield > J Ross
Milera > T Kelly

Thoughts?

 

[bomberboy]

The one thing I think that attracts people to Lockhart is the fact he could end up being their loophole player. This might be especially important for teams that traded in ROB last week for their original loophole player. It's not a sound basis to be making the trade I know, but I can see the possibilities that bring about the temptation presented in trading in Lockhart.

This is a problem I'm going to run into tonight - with Balta playing the first game, not going to be able to loophole unless there's an out tomorrow. Uh oh.

 

[Bomber18]

Option 1:
Clark > Lockhart
Milera > Laird

Option 2:
Setterfield > J Ross
Milera > T Kelly

Thoughts?

Both look equally as good. Maybe Option 1 as TKelly might cop a tag this week, could still be nicely priced next round.