Analysis SuperCoach Scoring Explained, Observations & Complaints On Scoring

Joined
31 Mar 2012
Messages
1,124
Likes
4,780
AFL Club
West Coast
^^ that is freaking awesome to read MarkM!!! If we could still give Reps, you would get all i could give, plus 10,000 more
 
Joined
4 Apr 2013
Messages
853
Likes
3,298
AFL Club
Hawthorn
No definitely not, judging by Freako's response on the HS podcast to the scoring differences between Brouch and Neale, I think MarkM understands the SC scoring system better than Freako hahaha.
Haha thanks. I'm just someone who's been watching the games and making little mental notes of what happens on the field and how it translates to the score updates. Once you accept the CD philosophy of hit outs being worthless but hitouts-to-advantage scoring well, everything else just falls into place from that.
 
Joined
9 Mar 2014
Messages
4,259
Likes
7,602
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Generally not one to whinge about scoring but holy moly were the Crouch brothers robbed tonight.
Brad in particular -4 last quarter after being heavily influential when the game was in the line. give me a fuc#ing spell.

Even his first 6 touches, 5 effective, 3 contested, 3 score involvements and 0 clangers for 16/15 scoring. That would be 30+ for Neale.

CD hate him it’s pretty evident this season.
 
Joined
9 Mar 2014
Messages
4,259
Likes
7,602
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
I don’t know if anyone really has Phillips but geez his score is pretty odd.

32 disposals (21 kicks)
11 contested as a winger
19 effective (55% DE)
2 goals 2 behinds
11 score involvements!
Most metres gained on the ground
4 marks
2 tackles
7 inside 50’s
3 rebound 50’s
2 clearances
7 clangers

123/64

He should obviously have been well less sc but 123/64 is ridiculous.
 
Joined
8 Feb 2018
Messages
1,239
Likes
2,365
I don’t know if anyone really has Phillips but geez his score is pretty odd.

32 disposals (21 kicks)
11 contested as a winger
19 effective (55% DE)
2 goals 2 behinds
11 score involvements!
Most metres gained on the ground
4 marks
2 tackles
7 inside 50’s
3 rebound 50’s
2 clearances
7 clangers

123/64

He should obviously have been well less sc but 123/64 is ridiculous.
Scaled to 81 now.
 
Joined
4 Apr 2013
Messages
853
Likes
3,298
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Another thing I've noticed is that contested possessions that do not lead to a disposal are not counted on the live stat sheets as a CP, but they are given points by CD. So if a player has a contested hard ball get and is immediately tackled causing a ball-up, they gain 3-4 points for that contested possession, but it is not recorded as a CP.
 
Joined
25 Mar 2012
Messages
4,834
Likes
1,761
AFL Club
North Melb.
Just throwing this out there. Goals are undervalued in SC. Yes players get stats in the lead up (mark, free kick, tackle, kick) but i just don't think it's valued correctly. Maybe goals should be valued at 10 points and scaled when necessary.

Paddy Ryder with the first 2 goals is on less SC than Ryan (I own Ryan, so no bias). Ryder has given his team a flyer and has 2 kicks, 1 handball, 1 hit out and 2 goals (100% efficiency). Ryan 5 kicks, 1 handball, 2 marks, 1 tackle (100% efficiency). The bloke who has the 2 goals should be valued more than a couple more stats.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.
 
Joined
3 Feb 2014
Messages
3,702
Likes
5,297
AFL Club
West Coast
Just throwing this out there. Goals are undervalued in SC. Yes players get stats in the lead up (mark, free kick, tackle, kick) but i just don't think it's valued correctly. Maybe goals should be valued at 10 points and scaled when necessary.

Paddy Ryder with the first 2 goals is on less SC than Ryan (I own Ryan, so no bias). Ryder has given his team a flyer and has 2 kicks, 1 handball, 1 hit out and 2 goals (100% efficiency). Ryan 5 kicks, 1 handball, 2 marks, 1 tackle (100% efficiency). The bloke who has the 2 goals should be valued more than a couple more stats.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.
I wonder if goal expected difficulty should factor in to the scoring of a goal - for example, I don't think there's a difference in scoring between a goal from 5m straight in front as opposed to a snap from the pocket on the run with your back to goal.
 
Joined
24 Mar 2015
Messages
4,154
Likes
14,751
AFL Club
North Melb.
I wonder if goal expected difficulty should factor in to the scoring of a goal - for example, I don't think there's a difference in scoring between a goal from 5m straight in front as opposed to a snap from the pocket on the run with your back to goal.
While the idea seems fair, goal 'difficulty' is so subjective it would be impossible.
Or you go for the ham-fisted approach and have super goals... :p
 
Joined
9 Mar 2014
Messages
4,259
Likes
7,602
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
While the idea seems fair, goal 'difficulty' is so subjective it would be impossible.
Or you go for the ham-fisted approach and have super goals... :p
They could just create zones of slightly different scoring depending on distance and angle. Every goal is marked on a spot anyway so then they’d know which zone it is inside and score accordingly.

That way if you go 5pts for a goal in the square for example if it was uncontested they only get an uncontested possession with that, but if it was a free kick or contested mark then they get big points for the contested possession and mark/free kick in that scenario too.

I actually think that would be a great idea. Just have 7 zones, 6 inside 50 and 1 inside 50 with the middle zones worth the least.

As previously mentioned if they want to score on ‘impact’ etc in some of their scoring then they should do it for goal scoring too, which is the most important aspect of the game. An contested mark in the goal square and kicking the goal shouldn’t be worth the exact same points as an uncontested mark on the boundary 45 out and kicking a very difficult goal.
 
Joined
7 Jul 2012
Messages
11,737
Likes
34,734
AFL Club
West Coast
They could just create zones of slightly different scoring depending on distance and angle. Every goal is marked on a spot anyway so then they’d know which zone it is inside and score accordingly.

That way if you go 5pts for a goal in the square for example if it was uncontested they only get an uncontested possession with that, but if it was a free kick or contested mark then they get big points for the contested possession and mark/free kick in that scenario too.

I actually think that would be a great idea. Just have 7 zones, 6 inside 50 and 1 inside 50 with the middle zones worth the least.

As previously mentioned if they want to score on ‘impact’ etc in some of their scoring then they should do it for goal scoring too, which is the most important aspect of the game. An contested mark in the goal square and kicking the goal shouldn’t be worth the exact same points as an uncontested mark on the boundary 45 out and kicking a very difficult goal.
If they where scoring based on goal difficulty... I wonder what Dom Sheed's GF winning goal from the boundary line on a very tight angle would have scored, lol
 

Darkie

Leadership Group
Joined
12 Apr 2014
Messages
25,408
Likes
65,485
AFL Club
Collingwood
The broadcasters have data on goal kicking accuracy from a wide range of spots on the ground - they actually have it for individual players (Westhoff was previously 19.1 from the spot he missed from yesterday). I’m sure CD could make use of that if they wanted to.
 
Joined
22 Oct 2014
Messages
7,882
Likes
41,731
AFL Club
North Melb.
Do we know for a fact that this isn’t already taken into account in some way? I learned a few weeks back that there are 3 different types of spoils which score differently. Goal difficulty would seem an obvious thing to consider.
 
Last edited:

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,132
Likes
64,897
AFL Club
Melbourne
Just talking off the top of my head, but maybe difficulty isn't rewarded, but ease is "penalised".

A goal on the run from 45 out on the boundary might get full points, where as getting a joe-the-goose on the goal line might get watered down a little.

It's nearly the same as rewarding difficulty, but not quite.
 

Rowsus

Statistician
Joined
19 Mar 2012
Messages
29,132
Likes
64,897
AFL Club
Melbourne
Why do they "keep" so many points for scaling?

Larkey just took a contested mark, kick, goal for 6 SC points.

Yes, last minute of the match, and match was over, but why not give him full points, and have less points in the scaling basket?
Some player will get scaled up 8 or 10 points, for things he has already got full points for, why not give people their points, then scale the left-overs?

*disclaimer* - salty Larkin owner that wanted every point/dollar before trading him out this week!
 
Joined
8 Oct 2018
Messages
10,254
Likes
36,907
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
I honestly have no idea how the SC scoring system works ... got so many examples of how it doesn't and gave up years ago ...

Now I just play the game out of interest as Gill and Co have pretty much destroyed what I grew up playing ...
 
Top