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Righto, bitter non Gawn owner here.
Talk me through his 110 point second half
Talk me through his 110 point second half
Analysis SuperCoach Scoring Explained, Observations & Complaints On Scoring
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I didn’t see the game so can’t comment but with how tight the game was at the end and Gawn having 9 of his 18 HTA’s in the last quarter they were likely worth at least 5-6 each, 2 contested marks, a goal etc can see why he got the 80-90 as the clear difference in the two teams when the game was so close at a crucial point.
Spot on.
One of my biggest frustrations with SC is how little a goal is worth. I mean a hard ball get effective handball is pretty much worth half a goal, seems absolutely ridiculous.
Looking at some of the scores of yesteryear, this must have changed as Barry Hall, Brown etc all had massive seasons as forwards.
Needs to be fixed, especially with the low scoring games these days.
One of my biggest frustrations with SC is how little a goal is worth. I mean a hard ball get effective handball is pretty much worth half a goal, seems absolutely ridiculous.
Looking at some of the scores of yesteryear, this must have changed as Barry Hall, Brown etc all had massive seasons as forwards.
Needs to be fixed, especially with the low scoring games these days.
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More the 7-8 points he’s getting from every long kick out that is the issue. Has had barely any effect on the game at all.
Has only 2 intercept possessions in the match too.
It would be nice if people could look at stuff from their own team at times and not just jump on the defense and actually look at it objectively. It’s hard but try to not just think as a one eyed eagles supporter whenever anyone has something to say about a WC player.
Has only 2 intercept possessions in the match too.
It would be nice if people could look at stuff from their own team at times and not just jump on the defense and actually look at it objectively. It’s hard but try to not just think as a one eyed eagles supporter whenever anyone has something to say about a WC player.
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Yeah, there may well be a few of those 17 points for some other action though. All we get to see is the fan footy scores updating, and we know that they aren't live to the second... there is some sort of delay in there. So it's hard to say exactly how many points are for each action.
Would be nice to see a replay of a game some time with correct live points as they happen on screen.
Would be nice to see a replay of a game some time with correct live points as they happen on screen.
Just pinging through the stats on the SC site and sorted all players by their average over last 5 matches.
5 players have gone 130+ over their last 5... 4 of them are ruckmen!
Lycett - 136
Marshall - 133.4
Coniglio - 132.2
Grundy - 132.0
Gawn - 131.4 (yes that includes his 46, but not the 0)
Add to that:
Goldstein - 112.6
Kreuzer - 109.2
ROB - 107.2
Stef - 104.4
Witts - 100.4
That's 9 rucks averaging over 100 in their last 5 matches - half the league's teams are represented here.
Has there ever been a period in SC history when so many rucks are scoring so well? Is there something special in the air those guys are breathing up there? Or have teams worked out the various rule changes to the point where the ruck scoring system needs a rework?
5 players have gone 130+ over their last 5... 4 of them are ruckmen!
Lycett - 136
Marshall - 133.4
Coniglio - 132.2
Grundy - 132.0
Gawn - 131.4 (yes that includes his 46, but not the 0)
Add to that:
Goldstein - 112.6
Kreuzer - 109.2
ROB - 107.2
Stef - 104.4
Witts - 100.4
That's 9 rucks averaging over 100 in their last 5 matches - half the league's teams are represented here.
Has there ever been a period in SC history when so many rucks are scoring so well? Is there something special in the air those guys are breathing up there? Or have teams worked out the various rule changes to the point where the ruck scoring system needs a rework?
There is a more indepth analysis within this thread, however this is a good time to revisit the basis of SC scoring and bump this thread.
KFC SuperCoach 2021: Scoring system explained, and who to pick
Kicks, marks and goals all add points to your KFC SuperCoach total. But that’s just the start. See all the key stats and how to use them to help pick your team.
Al Paton@al_superfooty
February 7, 2021 - 6:00AM
There is more to scoring points in KFC SuperCoach than kicks and handballs.
But it’s a pretty good start.
AFL stats provider Champion Data has spent years refining its ranking points system — exclusive to KFC SuperCoach — to reward the stats that help teams win real AFL games.
In some fantasy games kicks are all worth the same regardless of whether they find a teammate under pressure or sail out of bounds on the full. Not in KFC SuperCoach.
The short version is that winning your own footy and hitting targets are the foundation of a great SuperCoach scorer.
Here’s a breakdown of the key stats in the SuperCoach scoring formula, and which players score from each source.
DISPOSALS
Brisbane gun Lachie Neale led the competition for disposals last season with 511 at an average of almost 27 per game — not bad in 16-minute quarters. Bulldog Jack Macrae was No.2 on the list while Sydney’s Jake Lloyd was a rare defender in the top five.
It’s no coincindence all three were top KFC SuperCoach scorers, with Neale averaging 134 points a game, Macrae 121 and Lloyd 122.
But other factors also come into play. Look for players who kick more than handball — Tom Mitchell averaged 25 disposals a game, but 15 of those were handballs, which score less in KFC SuperCoach. As a result Mitchell average of 113 points a game was a bit lower than some of the other top ball-winners.
Efficiency is also a key to KFC SuperCoach success. Neale, Lloyd and Macrae were ranked top-three for effective disposals, while rebounding defenders occupy the top slots for effective kicks — Jayden Short, Tom Stewart and — guess who? — Lloyd were ranked one, two and three.
KFC SuperCoach scoring:
Effective kick = 4 points
Effective handball = 1.5 points
Ineffective disposal = 0 points
Clanger disposal = minus 4 points
CONTESTED POSSESSIONS
KFC SuperCoach scorers love players who win their own footy — that’s why Neale, Patrick Dangerfield, and Clayton Oliver are SuperCoach superstars. They were the top three in the AFL for this stat last season. There were some bolters in the top 10 — Christian Petracca (KFC SuperCoach average 118), Hugh Greenwood (106) and Jack Steele (123). Patrick Cripps dropped from No.2 to No.9 last season and will be looking to jump back up the rankings in 2021.
Port Adelaide powerhouse Charlie Dixon led the AFL for contested marks in 2020 with 46 while Tom Hawkins (31) and Rowan Marshall (30) both ranked in the top 10. Max Gawn took 26 for the season in 14 games (ranked 13th).
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Hardball get = 4.5 points
Loose ball get = 4.5 points
Contested mark = 6 points
Uncontested mark = 2 points
GOALKICKING
Kicking goals is a great source of KFC SuperCoach points, but it’s not as straightforward as you might think. Tom Hawkins kicked 49 goals to win the Coleman Medal and averaged 106 points, ranked second among KFC SuperCoach forwards (behind Petracca).
But Charlie Dixon (34 goals), Josh Kennedy (34) and Jack Riewoldt (33) averaged 93, 64 and 64 points per game respectively.
Eight of the top-10 scoring forwards were mid-forwards who earnt points from a variety of sources including winning their share of the footy, with goals the icing on the cake.
That’s why you won’t see a lot of key forwards in SuperCoach teams and more mid-forward types who can get up the ground and not rely solely on kicking goals to score well.
Goals are also a great way for midfielders to add another layer to their KFC Scoring power — Petracca kicked 15 goals last year and Neale kicked 14, while Zach Merrett booted only two in 16 games.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Goal = 8 points
Behind = 1 point
Score assist = 3 points
INTERCEPTS
You only need to watch Richmond’s run to the 2017, 2019 and 2020 flags to see how important winning the ball back off the opposition is in the modern game. As a result, it is one of the most rewarded stats in SuperCoach.
Last season Tiger Nick Vlastuin and Fremantle’s Luke Ryan led the AFL for intercept possessions, with Sam Collins, Brayden Maynard and Nick Haynes rounding out the top five.
Haynes was No.1 for intercept marks with 58 for the season, with Jordan Ridley the bolter, taking 47 in just his second season.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Intercept mark = 4 points
Contested intercept mark = 8 points
HITOUTS
The KFC SuperCoach scoring formula was updated several years ago to more effectively reward ruck prowess, boosting scoring for hitouts directly to a teammate and removing any points for ineffective taps.
Brodie Grundy ranked No.1 for hitouts-to-advantage in 2020 despite having a slightly underwhelming season, although Max Gawn leapfrogs him when ranked on average per game (10.6 to 8.7). Jarrod Witts and Nic Naitanui were equal-third.
Other names of interest were Sam Draper (average 5.1) and Oscar McInerney (4.8), who are both on the rise, and Rowan Marshall (4.6), who picks up most of his points from other sources (he averaged 14 disposals a game and ranked seventh in the AFL for contested marks).
Of regular ruckmen Tom Hickey had one of the best hitout-to-advantage rates at 34.9 per cent, and Braydon Preuss (32.8 per cent) wasn’t far behind. Both edged out Gawn (32.7 per cent) and Grundy (27.8 per cent). Food for thought with new Swan Hickey ($261,100) and GWS recruit Preuss ($303,000) both available at bargain prices.
Dustin Martin had an equal competition-high hitout-to-advantage rate of 100 per cent, hitting a target with his one hitout of the season.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Hitout to advantage = 5 points
Hitout = 0 points
Sharked hitout = minus 1 point
FREE KICKS
The free kick count also impacts SuperCoach scores. This is another scoring source for Brodie Grundy, who won 43 frees last season, the most in the AFL. Patrick Cripps, Todd Goldstein, Patrick Dangerfield and Max Gawn made up the top five.
Grundy also cost himself points by giving away 28 free kicks, the second-most in the competition behind Docker Sean Darcy (29). Gawn gave away just nine for the season. Shane Mumford managed to give away 28 despite playing just 10 games while Jy Sipkin conceded an average of 1.6 free kicks per game.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Free kick for = 4 points
Free kick against = minus 4 points
50m penalty against = minus 8.5 points
TACKLES
Another key metric to team success and a good way for your SuperCoach players to stay in the game even if they aren’t having the best day.
Hugh Greenwood (114) was the AFL’s top tackler last season, ahead of Cat Brandan Parfitt (106) and Saint Jack Steele (104). Taylor Adams and Clayton Oliver also rank high in this stat while Marcus Bontempelli (89, average almost five per game) lays more tackles than you might think.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Tackle = 4 points
There are more than 50 different stats in the KFC SuperCoach scoring formular and adjustments for the state of the game, so while the above numbers provide a useful guide no two stats are exactly the same. Every AFL match is worth roughly 3300 SuperCoach points so having 15 key disposals in a low-scoring arm-wrestle could score as well as 40 touches in a free-flowing shootout (both matches are worth four points on the ladder, after all).
Matchwinning plays in close finishes also receive a scoring bonus. This also explains why there are slight adjustments to score after the final siren.
KFC SuperCoach 2021: Scoring system explained, and who to pick
Kicks, marks and goals all add points to your KFC SuperCoach total. But that’s just the start. See all the key stats and how to use them to help pick your team.
Al Paton@al_superfooty
February 7, 2021 - 6:00AM
There is more to scoring points in KFC SuperCoach than kicks and handballs.
But it’s a pretty good start.
AFL stats provider Champion Data has spent years refining its ranking points system — exclusive to KFC SuperCoach — to reward the stats that help teams win real AFL games.
In some fantasy games kicks are all worth the same regardless of whether they find a teammate under pressure or sail out of bounds on the full. Not in KFC SuperCoach.
The short version is that winning your own footy and hitting targets are the foundation of a great SuperCoach scorer.
Here’s a breakdown of the key stats in the SuperCoach scoring formula, and which players score from each source.
DISPOSALS
Brisbane gun Lachie Neale led the competition for disposals last season with 511 at an average of almost 27 per game — not bad in 16-minute quarters. Bulldog Jack Macrae was No.2 on the list while Sydney’s Jake Lloyd was a rare defender in the top five.
It’s no coincindence all three were top KFC SuperCoach scorers, with Neale averaging 134 points a game, Macrae 121 and Lloyd 122.
But other factors also come into play. Look for players who kick more than handball — Tom Mitchell averaged 25 disposals a game, but 15 of those were handballs, which score less in KFC SuperCoach. As a result Mitchell average of 113 points a game was a bit lower than some of the other top ball-winners.
Efficiency is also a key to KFC SuperCoach success. Neale, Lloyd and Macrae were ranked top-three for effective disposals, while rebounding defenders occupy the top slots for effective kicks — Jayden Short, Tom Stewart and — guess who? — Lloyd were ranked one, two and three.
KFC SuperCoach scoring:
Effective kick = 4 points
Effective handball = 1.5 points
Ineffective disposal = 0 points
Clanger disposal = minus 4 points
CONTESTED POSSESSIONS
KFC SuperCoach scorers love players who win their own footy — that’s why Neale, Patrick Dangerfield, and Clayton Oliver are SuperCoach superstars. They were the top three in the AFL for this stat last season. There were some bolters in the top 10 — Christian Petracca (KFC SuperCoach average 118), Hugh Greenwood (106) and Jack Steele (123). Patrick Cripps dropped from No.2 to No.9 last season and will be looking to jump back up the rankings in 2021.
Port Adelaide powerhouse Charlie Dixon led the AFL for contested marks in 2020 with 46 while Tom Hawkins (31) and Rowan Marshall (30) both ranked in the top 10. Max Gawn took 26 for the season in 14 games (ranked 13th).
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Hardball get = 4.5 points
Loose ball get = 4.5 points
Contested mark = 6 points
Uncontested mark = 2 points
GOALKICKING
Kicking goals is a great source of KFC SuperCoach points, but it’s not as straightforward as you might think. Tom Hawkins kicked 49 goals to win the Coleman Medal and averaged 106 points, ranked second among KFC SuperCoach forwards (behind Petracca).
But Charlie Dixon (34 goals), Josh Kennedy (34) and Jack Riewoldt (33) averaged 93, 64 and 64 points per game respectively.
Eight of the top-10 scoring forwards were mid-forwards who earnt points from a variety of sources including winning their share of the footy, with goals the icing on the cake.
That’s why you won’t see a lot of key forwards in SuperCoach teams and more mid-forward types who can get up the ground and not rely solely on kicking goals to score well.
Goals are also a great way for midfielders to add another layer to their KFC Scoring power — Petracca kicked 15 goals last year and Neale kicked 14, while Zach Merrett booted only two in 16 games.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Goal = 8 points
Behind = 1 point
Score assist = 3 points
INTERCEPTS
You only need to watch Richmond’s run to the 2017, 2019 and 2020 flags to see how important winning the ball back off the opposition is in the modern game. As a result, it is one of the most rewarded stats in SuperCoach.
Last season Tiger Nick Vlastuin and Fremantle’s Luke Ryan led the AFL for intercept possessions, with Sam Collins, Brayden Maynard and Nick Haynes rounding out the top five.
Haynes was No.1 for intercept marks with 58 for the season, with Jordan Ridley the bolter, taking 47 in just his second season.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Intercept mark = 4 points
Contested intercept mark = 8 points
HITOUTS
The KFC SuperCoach scoring formula was updated several years ago to more effectively reward ruck prowess, boosting scoring for hitouts directly to a teammate and removing any points for ineffective taps.
Brodie Grundy ranked No.1 for hitouts-to-advantage in 2020 despite having a slightly underwhelming season, although Max Gawn leapfrogs him when ranked on average per game (10.6 to 8.7). Jarrod Witts and Nic Naitanui were equal-third.
Other names of interest were Sam Draper (average 5.1) and Oscar McInerney (4.8), who are both on the rise, and Rowan Marshall (4.6), who picks up most of his points from other sources (he averaged 14 disposals a game and ranked seventh in the AFL for contested marks).
Of regular ruckmen Tom Hickey had one of the best hitout-to-advantage rates at 34.9 per cent, and Braydon Preuss (32.8 per cent) wasn’t far behind. Both edged out Gawn (32.7 per cent) and Grundy (27.8 per cent). Food for thought with new Swan Hickey ($261,100) and GWS recruit Preuss ($303,000) both available at bargain prices.
Dustin Martin had an equal competition-high hitout-to-advantage rate of 100 per cent, hitting a target with his one hitout of the season.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Hitout to advantage = 5 points
Hitout = 0 points
Sharked hitout = minus 1 point
FREE KICKS
The free kick count also impacts SuperCoach scores. This is another scoring source for Brodie Grundy, who won 43 frees last season, the most in the AFL. Patrick Cripps, Todd Goldstein, Patrick Dangerfield and Max Gawn made up the top five.
Grundy also cost himself points by giving away 28 free kicks, the second-most in the competition behind Docker Sean Darcy (29). Gawn gave away just nine for the season. Shane Mumford managed to give away 28 despite playing just 10 games while Jy Sipkin conceded an average of 1.6 free kicks per game.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Free kick for = 4 points
Free kick against = minus 4 points
50m penalty against = minus 8.5 points
TACKLES
Another key metric to team success and a good way for your SuperCoach players to stay in the game even if they aren’t having the best day.
Hugh Greenwood (114) was the AFL’s top tackler last season, ahead of Cat Brandan Parfitt (106) and Saint Jack Steele (104). Taylor Adams and Clayton Oliver also rank high in this stat while Marcus Bontempelli (89, average almost five per game) lays more tackles than you might think.
KFC SuperCoach scoring
Tackle = 4 points
There are more than 50 different stats in the KFC SuperCoach scoring formular and adjustments for the state of the game, so while the above numbers provide a useful guide no two stats are exactly the same. Every AFL match is worth roughly 3300 SuperCoach points so having 15 key disposals in a low-scoring arm-wrestle could score as well as 40 touches in a free-flowing shootout (both matches are worth four points on the ladder, after all).
Matchwinning plays in close finishes also receive a scoring bonus. This also explains why there are slight adjustments to score after the final siren.
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Champion Data have answered some frequently ask questions about certain stats and how they are interpreted with video clips.
Seem to agree with most of them, although thought Libba not getting a score assist was a bit harsh.
https://www.championdata.com/faqs/afl/
Seem to agree with most of them, although thought Libba not getting a score assist was a bit harsh.
https://www.championdata.com/faqs/afl/
I think CD have done a reasonable job to design a system that for the most part does reward quality, but I think it falls down because the only categorisations for things like kicks are effective/ineffective and contested/uncontested (as well as distance).
When you get Ziebell having 30 effective kicks, half of which were probably long and effective straight from a kickout (Freo kicked 15 behinds but I haven't fully looked up the stats) then based on the above there's no real way to stop them scoring a ton (literally) of points. Same as when Heath Shaw trotted around with no pressure, racking up kicks and marks and scoring 200.
Maybe they need to add another grading to disposals? Something like 'To Advantage' which takes top points (5 or 6 for long kicks?) and which moves 'Effective' to only 2 or 3 points instead of 4. 'To Advantage' would be a disposal that maintains possession and puts the team in a better place to score.
So a 40m sideways kick in the backline is 'Effective' if it hits a target but it doesn't put the team in any better position to score so it's not 'To Advantage'. Similarly a 20m jog out from the square and a bomb to to a pack is not 'To Advantage' as the ball is now in dispute and just as likely to come back at you again.
If you graded disposals like that Jack Macrae would dominate even more, but rightly so: his disposals are so often to the advantage of the team while maintaining possession. Ziebell's stat padding would still be worth points, but not as many.
When you get Ziebell having 30 effective kicks, half of which were probably long and effective straight from a kickout (Freo kicked 15 behinds but I haven't fully looked up the stats) then based on the above there's no real way to stop them scoring a ton (literally) of points. Same as when Heath Shaw trotted around with no pressure, racking up kicks and marks and scoring 200.
Maybe they need to add another grading to disposals? Something like 'To Advantage' which takes top points (5 or 6 for long kicks?) and which moves 'Effective' to only 2 or 3 points instead of 4. 'To Advantage' would be a disposal that maintains possession and puts the team in a better place to score.
So a 40m sideways kick in the backline is 'Effective' if it hits a target but it doesn't put the team in any better position to score so it's not 'To Advantage'. Similarly a 20m jog out from the square and a bomb to to a pack is not 'To Advantage' as the ball is now in dispute and just as likely to come back at you again.
If you graded disposals like that Jack Macrae would dominate even more, but rightly so: his disposals are so often to the advantage of the team while maintaining possession. Ziebell's stat padding would still be worth points, but not as many.