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apparently the ball does funny things at Adelaide Oval under the lights in the last session (30 overs might be enough) , wouldn't know with this Pakistan bowling attack , don't think I have seen anything worse in my time watching Test cricket
mind you it is Pakistan , so they might have some very good bets going on
mind you it is Pakistan , so they might have some very good bets going on
I doubt the full story will ever come out , thought he was a total dickhead before SA and still do (never met him in person so maybe that opinion will change if I ever do)
have to admire him and respect his batting record though.
might have to play around on HowStats later and see how many have score more runs & centuries in Australia.
have to admire him and respect his batting record though.
might have to play around on HowStats later and see how many have score more runs & centuries in Australia.
maybe he should have declared when he was 299* then so they could share the highest score at Adelaide Oval jointly.
Taylor should have declared immediately then as well and not faced those 2 extra balls , if it wasn't for a miraculous piece of fielding by Ijaz (of all people) he would have beaten Bradman's score outright himself.
Taylor should have declared immediately then as well and not faced those 2 extra balls , if it wasn't for a miraculous piece of fielding by Ijaz (of all people) he would have beaten Bradman's score outright himself.
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A couple of points Herbie to clarify my comment.
First, Taylor was the captain. I'd be surprised if he knew that he was even near to one of the Don's benchmarks. Maybe he made the best of it by (cynically) declaring the next morning when the score comparison was clear. I prefer to think otherwise - older, wiser heads advised and Tubby's place in Australian cricket history was enhanced.
Second, yesterday Australia had a time and score in mind as to when they would declare. 50 less runs and approx. half an hour earlier was not it. When the decision was immenint, the captain had a choice. When Warner was on 334* he could have pulled them in. But no; he waited for the end of the over and Warner got to 335*. If no-one in the management group was aware of history, then shame on them.
Third, I am not an Australian. I am an ex-cricketer who chooses to stay abreast of the history of the game. As I advance in years (now 70*) my memory fails me a times. However, I do recall when I read of Taylor declaring and equalling the Don's score. I was delighted at that decision. Dumbstruck, but delighted. It's just a personal opinion, but in time I reckon Warner will look back and wish the captain had pulled the plug when he was on 334*.
First, Taylor was the captain. I'd be surprised if he knew that he was even near to one of the Don's benchmarks. Maybe he made the best of it by (cynically) declaring the next morning when the score comparison was clear. I prefer to think otherwise - older, wiser heads advised and Tubby's place in Australian cricket history was enhanced.
Second, yesterday Australia had a time and score in mind as to when they would declare. 50 less runs and approx. half an hour earlier was not it. When the decision was immenint, the captain had a choice. When Warner was on 334* he could have pulled them in. But no; he waited for the end of the over and Warner got to 335*. If no-one in the management group was aware of history, then shame on them.
Third, I am not an Australian. I am an ex-cricketer who chooses to stay abreast of the history of the game. As I advance in years (now 70*) my memory fails me a times. However, I do recall when I read of Taylor declaring and equalling the Don's score. I was delighted at that decision. Dumbstruck, but delighted. It's just a personal opinion, but in time I reckon Warner will look back and wish the captain had pulled the plug when he was on 334*.
No probs.
Articles I have read said Taylor was well aware of Bradman's 304 , Cowper's 307 & Simpson's 311and actually told his batting partner when he passed them , so pretty sure he would have known about the 334 (I have never met Tubby to ask him to confirm if this is 100%).
Massive Taylor fan here myself and from all accounts he agonised all night over the decision to declare straight away or bat for another 20 minutes , but then thought people would just think he was after the record himself.
Remember listening to it on the radio.
I guess yesterday's declaration timing would all depend on giving them enough time to win the match and get 60 points in the WTC , forecasts have most of today being a wash out , mind you given how poor Pakistan looked last night they might only need another 50 overs or so to bowl them out twice (hopefully Babar stands up and gets some support).
I guess unless we are in the inner sanctum we won't know the full details of the declaration , personally I think I would have said right you can have a crack at Haydos & Lara's record.
Be interesting to know how Warner really felt when he saw Paine calling them in.
I am 53 myself and a huge student of the history of Test Cricket myself.
Great post btw ?
Articles I have read said Taylor was well aware of Bradman's 304 , Cowper's 307 & Simpson's 311and actually told his batting partner when he passed them , so pretty sure he would have known about the 334 (I have never met Tubby to ask him to confirm if this is 100%).
Massive Taylor fan here myself and from all accounts he agonised all night over the decision to declare straight away or bat for another 20 minutes , but then thought people would just think he was after the record himself.
Remember listening to it on the radio.
I guess yesterday's declaration timing would all depend on giving them enough time to win the match and get 60 points in the WTC , forecasts have most of today being a wash out , mind you given how poor Pakistan looked last night they might only need another 50 overs or so to bowl them out twice (hopefully Babar stands up and gets some support).
I guess unless we are in the inner sanctum we won't know the full details of the declaration , personally I think I would have said right you can have a crack at Haydos & Lara's record.
Be interesting to know how Warner really felt when he saw Paine calling them in.
I am 53 myself and a huge student of the history of Test Cricket myself.
Great post btw ?
That’s a tough one in regards to Warner’s record. They only batted 127 overs for the innings, so they were going at a sensational clip (over 4.6 an over). This would have contributed to the luxury of staying out there for more runs, but not really hurting the game in terms of time.
Pakistan had just under 30 minutes to bat before the dinner break. 5-7 overs is always nasty for an opening batsmen to have to go out there for before a break, so I think that was great captaincy from Paine to give them that difficult time to negotiate. It produced a wicket, so I believe that’s a successful tactical declaration.
With the twilight session approaching as well, they wouldn’t have wanted to waste the new ball too much before it started doing tricks under lights.
The other thing was that Warner was 330 before the start of that last over of the innings. He scored 5 off it and off the last delivery was the single to take him past Bradman. Paine would’ve copped more criticism for pulling him off with one ball left than doing what he did.
Either way, it’s a sensational effort to score at an 80 strike rate for over 400 deliveries. Don’t think you’ll see much like it again.
Pakistan had just under 30 minutes to bat before the dinner break. 5-7 overs is always nasty for an opening batsmen to have to go out there for before a break, so I think that was great captaincy from Paine to give them that difficult time to negotiate. It produced a wicket, so I believe that’s a successful tactical declaration.
With the twilight session approaching as well, they wouldn’t have wanted to waste the new ball too much before it started doing tricks under lights.
The other thing was that Warner was 330 before the start of that last over of the innings. He scored 5 off it and off the last delivery was the single to take him past Bradman. Paine would’ve copped more criticism for pulling him off with one ball left than doing what he did.
Either way, it’s a sensational effort to score at an 80 strike rate for over 400 deliveries. Don’t think you’ll see much like it again.
For what it’s worth a large number of people at the ground, including Warner, knew about the 334 (the crowd clapped it spontaneously, and Warner acknowledged the applause, albeit in a more muted manner than his 100/200/300).
I’d be surprised if serious cricket fans didn’t know about it, and almost everyone has a smartphone now, so I’m sure the Australian leadership team would have been aware of it. It’s also a more famous number because of Taylor’s declaration.
My reading is that the declaration came at the end of the relevant over because that seems to be how it’s conventionally done. With the opportunity to think further about it, I agree that they should have done it on 334, although I’m not sure that they would have thought about it that way at the time. There is no guarantee that Warner would ever be on exactly 334 ... even if he had been trying to do so by only taking singles, he could have got an edge on 333 and gone straight past 334 had it gone to the boundary. Admittedly then Paine and others probably would have escaped any comment or criticism though.
I’d be surprised if serious cricket fans didn’t know about it, and almost everyone has a smartphone now, so I’m sure the Australian leadership team would have been aware of it. It’s also a more famous number because of Taylor’s declaration.
My reading is that the declaration came at the end of the relevant over because that seems to be how it’s conventionally done. With the opportunity to think further about it, I agree that they should have done it on 334, although I’m not sure that they would have thought about it that way at the time. There is no guarantee that Warner would ever be on exactly 334 ... even if he had been trying to do so by only taking singles, he could have got an edge on 333 and gone straight past 334 had it gone to the boundary. Admittedly then Paine and others probably would have escaped any comment or criticism though.
As it happens I just read this:
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mar...australia-pakistan-second-test-334/2019-11-30
It suggests that Taylor’s move was an opportunity nicely taken when it presented, but more through good luck than good management.
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mar...australia-pakistan-second-test-334/2019-11-30
It suggests that Taylor’s move was an opportunity nicely taken when it presented, but more through good luck than good management.