Position Midfielder Discussion
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Is it just my imagination or do we tend to see heavy tags more prevalent after the year has gotten going a bit and the 'standout' players have revealed themselves? Not that you'd have to be all that astute to work out that Neale and Cripps were the top mids in their side, but they weren't tagged until they'd dominated for 6-8 weeks.
It's almost like coaches want to dream that at the start of the year they are on equal footing with the rest of the competition but by the time they are 2 and 6 and facing Brisbane in the top 4 they are resigned to "better just tag Neale"?
It's almost like coaches want to dream that at the start of the year they are on equal footing with the rest of the competition but by the time they are 2 and 6 and facing Brisbane in the top 4 they are resigned to "better just tag Neale"?
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Average 32-33 disposals and 6+ tackles a game. Extremely unlikely that he will ever get to the 120+ range for a season but could potentially push a 115+ but his game style isn't as conducive in comparison to the other elite scorers.
A Treloar:
2014-2018 SC Avg: 107.15 from 97
2014-2019 SC Avg: 108.31 from 119
Wins: 114.39 from 59 (15/59 below 100, 21/59 120+)
2014: 123.17 from 6
2015: 113.91 from 11
2016: 113.67 from 9
2017: 110.56 from 9
2018: 108.33 from 9
2019: 117.6 from 15
Losses: 102.61 from 59 (23/59 below 100, 11/59 120+)
2014: 100.79 from 14
2015: 99 from 10
2016: 109.62 from 13
2017: 95.36 from 11
2018: 112 from 4
2019: 104.43 from 7
Pre Bye: 107.85 from 66 (21/66 below 100, 19/66 120+)
2014: 112.29 from 7
2015: 106.08 from 12
2016: 108.5 from 12
2017: 106.36 from 11
2018: 110.67 from 12
2019: 104.92 from 12
Post Bye: 108.89 from 55 (18/55 below 100, 13/55 120+)
2014: 104.92 from 13
2015: 107.78 from 9
2016: 114.6 from 10
2017: 96 from 10
2018: 95 from 1
2019: 123.6 from 10
Disposals Avg 2018-2019: 32.66
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 33: 119.5 from 22 (3/22 below 100, 10/22 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 33: 99.15 from 13 (5/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
A Treloar:
2014-2018 SC Avg: 107.15 from 97
2014-2019 SC Avg: 108.31 from 119
Wins: 114.39 from 59 (15/59 below 100, 21/59 120+)
2014: 123.17 from 6
2015: 113.91 from 11
2016: 113.67 from 9
2017: 110.56 from 9
2018: 108.33 from 9
2019: 117.6 from 15
Losses: 102.61 from 59 (23/59 below 100, 11/59 120+)
2014: 100.79 from 14
2015: 99 from 10
2016: 109.62 from 13
2017: 95.36 from 11
2018: 112 from 4
2019: 104.43 from 7
Pre Bye: 107.85 from 66 (21/66 below 100, 19/66 120+)
2014: 112.29 from 7
2015: 106.08 from 12
2016: 108.5 from 12
2017: 106.36 from 11
2018: 110.67 from 12
2019: 104.92 from 12
Post Bye: 108.89 from 55 (18/55 below 100, 13/55 120+)
2014: 104.92 from 13
2015: 107.78 from 9
2016: 114.6 from 10
2017: 96 from 10
2018: 95 from 1
2019: 123.6 from 10
Disposals Avg 2018-2019: 32.66
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 33: 119.5 from 22 (3/22 below 100, 10/22 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 33: 99.15 from 13 (5/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
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E Yeo:
Wins: 107.69 from 42 (16/42 below 100, 12/42 120+)
2017: 112.09 from 11
2018: 104.06 from 16
2019: 108.33 from 15
Losses: 102.45 from 22 (11/22 below 100, 5/22 120+)
2017: 91.1 from 10
2018: 118 from 6
2019: 105.83 from 6
Pre Bye: 104.12 from 33 (11/33 below 100, 7/33 120+)
2017: 107.82 from 11
2018: 100.55 from 11
2019: 104 from 11
Post Bye: 107.77 from 31 (16/31 below 100, 10/31 120+)
2017: 95.8 from 10
2018: 115.18 from 11
2019: 111.6 from 10
RD1-4 2019:
Tackles: 2.75 from 4
SC Avg: 88.5 from 4
Remainder of 2019:
Tackles: 9.18 from 17
SC Avg: 112.17 from 17
3 games below 5 tackles in the 1st 4 rounds of 2019.
1 game below 5 tackles for the remainder of the season.
Tackles Avg since 2018: 7.16 from 43
SC avg when tackles equal/exceed 8: 120.61 from 18 (2/18 below 100, 8/18 120+)
SC avg when tackles below 8: 98.48 from 25 (14/25 below 100, 4/25 120+)
Disposals Avg since 2018: 24.07 from 43
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 25: 119.08 from 25 (4/25 below 100, 11/25 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 25: 92 from 18 (12/18 below 100, 1/18 120+)
Wins: 107.69 from 42 (16/42 below 100, 12/42 120+)
2017: 112.09 from 11
2018: 104.06 from 16
2019: 108.33 from 15
Losses: 102.45 from 22 (11/22 below 100, 5/22 120+)
2017: 91.1 from 10
2018: 118 from 6
2019: 105.83 from 6
Pre Bye: 104.12 from 33 (11/33 below 100, 7/33 120+)
2017: 107.82 from 11
2018: 100.55 from 11
2019: 104 from 11
Post Bye: 107.77 from 31 (16/31 below 100, 10/31 120+)
2017: 95.8 from 10
2018: 115.18 from 11
2019: 111.6 from 10
RD1-4 2019:
Tackles: 2.75 from 4
SC Avg: 88.5 from 4
Remainder of 2019:
Tackles: 9.18 from 17
SC Avg: 112.17 from 17
3 games below 5 tackles in the 1st 4 rounds of 2019.
1 game below 5 tackles for the remainder of the season.
Tackles Avg since 2018: 7.16 from 43
SC avg when tackles equal/exceed 8: 120.61 from 18 (2/18 below 100, 8/18 120+)
SC avg when tackles below 8: 98.48 from 25 (14/25 below 100, 4/25 120+)
Disposals Avg since 2018: 24.07 from 43
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 25: 119.08 from 25 (4/25 below 100, 11/25 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 25: 92 from 18 (12/18 below 100, 1/18 120+)
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Hello all! Been reading much of your work this off-season. Liking the site!
Wanted to get people's thoughts on Jack Bowes? As a GC fan I've been liking the looks of him and Fiorini and wanted to start one of them in my mids this year. After hearing about Fiorini's surgeries this off-season, I'm starting to think about picking Bowes.
He looked really good in a few games last year, and he looks like he's bulked up and ready to become a star at 21 years of age. Am I crazy to pick him at M5?
Wanted to get people's thoughts on Jack Bowes? As a GC fan I've been liking the looks of him and Fiorini and wanted to start one of them in my mids this year. After hearing about Fiorini's surgeries this off-season, I'm starting to think about picking Bowes.
He looked really good in a few games last year, and he looks like he's bulked up and ready to become a star at 21 years of age. Am I crazy to pick him at M5?
Bowes looks as likely a type as any at the Suns to put some SC relevant scores together at some stage, but here's the kicker for me: in 2019 their BEST midfielders (Swallow and Fiorini) averaged just 88.
That is symptomatic of a team getting killed every week. By contrast, every other club had a midfielder average over 100 except for Hawthorn, clearly hurting from no Tom Mitchell.
I daresay Bowes will improve on his 75 average this year, but unless he has become a monster and the rest of the Suns mids improve out of sight to provide some support, I can't see him averaging above 85 really.
NB: I think a similar type logic applies to Rowell, which is why he's nowhere near my team and yet (to me) surprisingly popular.
That is symptomatic of a team getting killed every week. By contrast, every other club had a midfielder average over 100 except for Hawthorn, clearly hurting from no Tom Mitchell.
I daresay Bowes will improve on his 75 average this year, but unless he has become a monster and the rest of the Suns mids improve out of sight to provide some support, I can't see him averaging above 85 really.
NB: I think a similar type logic applies to Rowell, which is why he's nowhere near my team and yet (to me) surprisingly popular.
Here's how I read it, and I'm happy to consider my opinion an outlier:
Walsh came into a pretty bad side for sure, but they were nowhere near as bad as the Suns (imo). He also had a massive, contested ball winning bull in Cripps feeding him possession all day and other more experienced bodies around him (Murphy, Curnow). I think that made a bigger difference than people realise.
Here's the killer stat to back it up...
P Cripps ave when Walsh scored a ton (6 matches): 136.8
For Rowell to go past 100 at the Suns he'd just about have to be BOG.
Walsh came into a pretty bad side for sure, but they were nowhere near as bad as the Suns (imo). He also had a massive, contested ball winning bull in Cripps feeding him possession all day and other more experienced bodies around him (Murphy, Curnow). I think that made a bigger difference than people realise.
Here's the killer stat to back it up...
P Cripps ave when Walsh scored a ton (6 matches): 136.8
For Rowell to go past 100 at the Suns he'd just about have to be BOG.
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Completely agree... there was some analysis done previous years but top average for a rookie is usually no higher than 75... Walsh was a real outlier...
That said, in the first half of the season your onfield rookie scores can also be make or break... last year GC were competitive for the first 6 or so rounds which is when Bowes and some others probably had their best scoring output... Repeat that again this year and Rowell could be an astute pick..
*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when selecting a high drafted rookie.
That said, in the first half of the season your onfield rookie scores can also be make or break... last year GC were competitive for the first 6 or so rounds which is when Bowes and some others probably had their best scoring output... Repeat that again this year and Rowell could be an astute pick..
*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when selecting a high drafted rookie.
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