Position Midfielder Discussion

[Hasnoshoes]

I don’t want to start Danger because he will get De Boered for 60 in round 1 but I want to start Danger because he will get 160 against GC in round 2.

 

[freowho]

I don’t want to start Danger because he will get De Boered for 60 in round 1 but I want to start Danger because he will get 160 against GC in round 2.

You could loop him in round 1 but that would be unaustralian.

 

[IDIG]

On de boer

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1221956549385449472

 

[Spots]

On de boer

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1221956549385449472

Its sad that Miles is the most likely to cop the tag at Gold Coast...

 

[All is Wells]

On de boer

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1221956549385449472

Will be the main reason why i'll be staying away from Oliver and looking to bring him in as my 1st mid upgrade. WCE away rd 1 and then the De Boer tag where he managed to get 55 odd last year. At 593k he's undervalued from a season long perspective, in terms of early on in the year he isn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 540k as early as rd 4.

 

[Marnus Labu-shag-me]

How good do people think Tim Kelly will be this year?

In the past I have had a lot of success picking elite midfielders that have moved clubs. Tom Mitchell in 2017 (15 Point Increase) and Neale in 2019 (10 Point Increase).

Do we think TK can achieve something similar??

 

[Herbie66]

Will be the main reason why i'll be staying away from Oliver and looking to bring him in as my 1st mid upgrade. WCE away rd 1 and then the De Boer tag where he managed to get 55 odd last year. At 593k he's undervalued from a season long perspective, in terms of early on in the year he isn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 540k as early as rd 4.

What would his price be around Round 6-8 then ?

Still might be hard to get with the traditional one down , one up

 

[Erich1036]

Will be the main reason why i'll be staying away from Oliver and looking to bring him in as my 1st mid upgrade. WCE away rd 1 and then the De Boer tag where he managed to get 55 odd last year. At 593k he's undervalued from a season long perspective, in terms of early on in the year he isn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 540k as early as rd 4.

You can look at it another way. Oliver only faces De Boer once and his round 2 De Boer affected game will only affect two price changes, where as most of your other premo options will face three price changes off the back of their De Boer affected games.

 

[Hazza]

You can look at it another way. Oliver only faces De Boer once and his round 2 De Boer affected game will only affect two price changes, where as most of your other premo options will face three price changes off the back of their De Boer affected games.

There's not many premium options that are going to be effected by de boer early by the looks of it Oliver and Bont seem the biggest chances of becoming affordable but even that might be too early for an upgrade guess it's whether you want to cop an early 50-70 at the sacrifice of a Fyfe Neale or Cripps who avoid him in the early stages

 

[freowho]

How good do people think Tim Kelly will be this year?

In the past I have had a lot of success picking elite midfielders that have moved clubs. Tom Mitchell in 2017 (15 Point Increase) and Neale in 2019 (10 Point Increase).

Do we think TK can achieve something similar??

Possibly. Although Mitchell and Neale went from clearly not the best mid in their old team to clearly the best mid in their new team. Kelly has already had plenty of opportunities at Geelong and the picture at West Coast is not so clear.
He was awesome in that preliminary final loss and has the talent to average 110+ but it's a bit speculative.

 

[All is Wells]

You can look at it another way. Oliver only faces De Boer once and his round 2 De Boer affected game will only affect two price changes, where as most of your other premo options will face three price changes off the back of their De Boer affected games.

Facing him rd 2 makes a significant difference than facing him after rd 10+ imo. By rd 10 most teams will have only 1 or 2 spots in the mids to upgrade so more coaches are going to be affected by the De Boer tag as the likelihood he tags a player they own rises. Oliver as an early season pod will hurt more if he cops the tag and subsequently a poor score. @Herbie66 I dont see him fluctuating much for the next few rounds, has Steele rd 4 who he traditionally doesnt cope well with. After that he plays GC, would be good to get in for that game but probably 1 rd too early for an upgrade

 

[Connoisseur]

P Dangerfield:






Wins: 124.75 from 109 (25/109 below 100, 61/109 120+)
2012: 121.9 from 17
2013: 119.33 from 9
2014: 111.73 from 11
2015: 120.54 from 13
2016: 139.06 from 17
2017: 139.87 from 15
2018: 120.58 from 12
2019: 117.13 from 15

Losses: 110.95 from 60 (23/60 below 100, 22/60 120+)
2012: 110.6 from 5
2013: 107.64 from 11
2014: 99.45 from 11
2015: 118.88 from 8
2016: 107 from 5
2017: 114 from 5
2018: 123.11 from 9
2019: 110.33 from 6

Pre Bye: 118.20 from 87 (27/87 below 100, 42/87 120+)
2012: 114.2 from 10
2013: 113.92 from 12
2014: 113 from 7
2015: 118 from 10
2016: 134.5 from 14
2017: 125.09 from 11
2018: 113.25 from 12
2019: 107.73 from 11

Post Bye: 122.49 from 83 (20/83 below 100, 44/83 120+)
2012: 122.75 from 12
2013: 111.38 from 8
2014: 102.13 from 15
2015: 121.64 from 11
2016: 127 from 8
2017: 148.8 from 10
2018: 132.89 from 9
2019: 123.4 from 10


2018-2019 Disposals Avg: 27.79 from 42
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 28: 136.33 from 21 (1/21 below 100, 17/21 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 28: 100.52 from 21 (9/21 below 100, 3/21 120+)

Avg at Geelong: 126.32 from 85

 

[Connoisseur]

L Neale:






Wins: 116.19 from 53 (13/53 below 100, 22/53 120+)
2015: 108.88 from 17
2016: 114.25 from 4
2017: 124.88 from 8
2018: 112.75 from 8
2019: 121.75 from 16

Losses: 107.75 from 56 (19/56 below 100, 16/56 120+)
2015: 88.8 from 5
2016: 112.28 from 18
2017: 99.23 from 13
2018: 111.36 from 14
2019: 120 from 6

Pre Bye: 114.13 from 62 (16/62 below 100, 26/62 120+)
2015: 111.18 from 11
2016: 113.29 from 14
2017: 114.58 from 12
2018: 108.15 from 13
2019: 123.83 from 12

Post Bye: 108.83 from 47 (16/47 below 100, 12/47 120+)
2015: 97.45 from 11
2016: 111.5 from 8
2017: 101.56 from 9
2018: 117.22 from 9
2019: 118.2 from 10

 

[Zimmer]

This is a general question - Given that GWS and Richmond played in the GF, is anyone worried about their big name players getting off to a slow start to the season due to delayed start to preseason etc?

GWS, maybe; not Richmond.

 

[Connoisseur]

D Zorko:






Wins: 107.94 from 33
2015: 85.75 from 4
2016: 127 from 3
2017: 116.4 from 5
2018: 105.2 from 5
2019: 108.13 from 16

Losses: 102.86 from 74
2015: 103.94 from 18
2016: 105.82 from 17
2017: 109 from 16
2018: 93.06 from 17
2019: 102.67 from 6

Pre Bye: 99.79 from 56
2015: 84.2 from 10
2016: 112.83 from 12
2017: 110.2 from 10
2018: 92.67 from 12
2019: 98.17 from 12

Post Bye: 109.53 from 51
2015: 114.33 from 12
2016: 103.25 from 8
2017: 111.27 from 11
2018: 99.6 from 10
2019: 116.8 from 10

 

[Darkie]

On de boer

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1221956549385449472

Pity there is very little that appeals as an upgrade target from about round 4-11. Worth bearing in mind though.

 

[Manikato1]

Its sad that Miles is the most likely to cop the tag at Gold Coast...

Will be the main reason why i'll be staying away from Oliver and looking to bring him in as my 1st mid upgrade. WCE away rd 1 and then the De Boer tag where he managed to get 55 odd last year. At 593k he's undervalued from a season long perspective, in terms of early on in the year he isn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 540k as early as rd 4.

Understand the logic of how Oliver's price could fall as per the scenario you describe but if is a target rd 4 or 5 what is your strategy to bring him in? Would you keep a shed load of cash or park some 500k mid you think won't go down for the first few rds then use him to trade to Oliver. Cannot see a trade up via a rookie. Just curious.

 

[All is Wells]

Understand the logic of how Oliver's price could fall as per the scenario you describe but if is a target rd 4 or 5 what is your strategy to bring him in? Would you keep a shed load of cash or park some 500k mid you think won't go down for the first few rds then use him to trade to Oliver. Cannot see a trade up via a rookie. Just curious.

It would be too early to upgrade a mid rookie in rd 4. I'd look to do it rds 6-7. He has Steele rd 4 who generally watches him closely so i'd expect his price wouldn't soar too much above 550k in the early rounds. I'd honestly just treat him as a typical upgrade, wouldn't compromise alot to get him in. In saying that, generally my first upgrade, as with most coaches, involves chopping a rookie 50k or so earlier than usual to get those early points on the board so i can see him being that early trade in guy this year.

 

[Buddy Starmart]

interested to know about Charlie Constables chances at $391.000 as a mid priced option if he started round 1 and wether he a good stepping stone at m5

 

[armesy]

P Dangerfield:
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Wins: 124.75 from 109 (25/109 below 100, 61/109 120+)
2012: 121.9 from 17
2013: 119.33 from 9
2014: 111.73 from 11
2015: 120.54 from 13
2016: 139.06 from 17
2017: 139.87 from 15
2018: 120.58 from 12
2019: 117.13 from 15

Losses: 110.95 from 60 (23/60 below 100, 22/60 120+)
2012: 110.6 from 5
2013: 107.64 from 11
2014: 99.45 from 11
2015: 118.88 from 8
2016: 107 from 5
2017: 114 from 5
2018: 123.11 from 9
2019: 110.33 from 6

Pre Bye: 118.20 from 87 (27/87 below 100, 42/87 120+)
2012: 114.2 from 10
2013: 113.92 from 12
2014: 113 from 7
2015: 118 from 10
2016: 134.5 from 14
2017: 125.09 from 11
2018: 113.25 from 12
2019: 107.73 from 11

Post Bye: 122.49 from 83 (20/83 below 100, 44/83 120+)
2012: 122.75 from 12
2013: 111.38 from 8
2014: 102.13 from 15
2015: 121.64 from 11
2016: 127 from 8
2017: 148.8 from 10
2018: 132.89 from 9
2019: 123.4 from 10


2018-2019 Disposals Avg: 27.79 from 42
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 28: 136.33 from 21 (1/21 below 100, 17/21 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 28: 100.52 from 21 (9/21 below 100, 3/21 120+)

Avg at Geelong: 126.32 from 85

Interesting that in over 1/4 of his games he is sub-100. Strikes me as the perfect upgrade target.