Position Midfielder Discussion

[Connoisseur]

Z Merrett:






Wins: 110.28 from 39 (10/39 below 100, 16/39 120+)
2016: 128.33 from 3
2017: 112.42 from 12
2018: 103.58 from 12
2019: 110.33 from 12

Losses: 103.69 from 48 (21/48 below 100, 13/48 120+)
2016: 108.79 from 19
2017: 105 from 9
2018: 96.5 from 10
2019: 100 from 10

Pre Bye: 103.79 from 48 (19/48 below 100, 15/48 120+)
2016: 104.08 from 13
2017: 112.08 from 12
2018: 89.75 from 12
2019: 109.73 from 11

Post Bye: 110.15 from 39 (12/39 below 100, 14/39 120+)
2016: 122.11 from 9
2017: 105.44 from 9
2018: 113.1 from 10
2019: 101.55 from 11

 

[Professor]

I don’t think I’ve recovered from the Newnes burns of years gone by so he and one T Rockliff will never be considered again!

As a Blues man, what are your thoughts on Walsh this season in terms of SC?

In his 2nd season, beast of an athlete. I'd think he improves at least 5ppg. Only issue I have is team structure through the middle. This year there will be more bodies rotating through the middle, does Walsh get as many minutes through the middle or does he play wing or forward, that's the only concern atm. For me personally I'll be looking from afar. He may or may not have a breakout this year. Hope he does for Carlton's sake.

 

[Bermi]

As a Carlton supporter I'm full of hope atm, on that basis I'm considering Jack Newnes, mature body, changed clubs over summer = extra motivation to do well. Role clarity with new coach. Thinking he may float from back flank, wing and possible mid time. Priced at $386.4k and can see a potential increase of $100k thus a stepping stone to a fallen/premium. I could get another cheap rookie, but, he's all but guaranteed a regular game, rather than the rookie roulette.

Newnes may improve. He reckons he has improvement and he is going to push himself. Hmmm, why wasn't he pushing himself in the past?

Friday, 1 November 2019
Carlton signs Jack Newnes as a delisted free agent.
Newnes said "I’ve got a lot of improvement in my game personally. I haven’t yet reached the highest level I can, so I am really excited to push myself and push the group as well."

 

[Tails]

In his 2nd season, beast of an athlete. I'd think he improves at least 5ppg. Only issue I have is team structure through the middle. This year there will be more bodies rotating through the middle, does Walsh get as many minutes through the middle or does he play wing or forward, that's the only concern atm. For me personally I'll be looking from afar. He may or may not have a breakout this year. Hope he does for Carlton's sake.

Like him as a player but usually IMO the first year is a gift .... no going under any radars next year ... oppo will have studied him so to me he needs to go up a gear just to maintain it ...

 

[Herbie66]

Am I completely crazy for considering Ed Curnow ? ( $ 493,200.00).

Rd 15 - 23 last season Ave 113.77

After 9 seasons did Teague find the magic switch ?

Entering his 10th season is it possible he could produce a career best season of say 105+ and make him a viable pick ?

Given he has only hit 100+ previously in 2 seasons (2016 , 2018) maybe it is a complete longshot.

 

[Tails]

Am I completely crazy for considering Ed Curnow ? ( $ 493,200.00).

Rd 15 - 23 last season Ave 113.77

After 9 seasons did Teague find the magic switch ?

Entering his 10th season is it possible he could produce a career best season of say 105+ and make him a viable pick ?

Given he has only hit 100+ previously in 2 seasons (2016 , 2018) maybe it is a complete longshot.

To me at that price point you should be aiming for a season long keeper .... spike seasons / games occur but will he be a top 10 mid (I doubt it) .... better options on other lines that should be top 6 ...

 

[Herbie66]

To me at that price point you should be aiming for a season long keeper .... spike seasons / games occur but will he be a top 10 mid (I doubt it) .... better options on other
lines that should be top 6 ...

Yeah I was just looking at a few different options in case the rookie well is very dry , Sparkle was too expensive then found Curnow.

Doubt he will be even close to Top 10 so will look elsewhere , 2 Carlton players already is well and truly enough (unless Williamson , Cottrell and Philp are named Round 1 I will make an exception)

 

[Bomber18]

Yeah, Fyfe to play more somewhat more forward. Brayshaw, Bewley and Cerra to play more mids was the talk. Hogan out doesn't help, although, hopefully helps Sturt get a game. McCarthy to play up the field a bit.

Always talk this time of the season with mids playing fwd more. Bit like Dunkley comment.

We did see late last year he had the odd game forward. Started him last year which was a winner as unique to an extent.

I just don’t see Brayshaw, Cerra and Bewley types being capable of “robbing” Fyfe of say 40-50% of his inside mid time. They are still young and inexperienced. Fyfe is the reigning brownlow medalist and arguably the best inside mid in the comp. Don’t really see why Freo would play him extensively forward to fill a gap whilst he is still in his prime, and also when his potential inside mid replacements don’t seem so flash either!

Blakely is one that could play more time there, but Mundy creates a gap too so I still think Fyfe has got to play majority inside mid. He can rest up fwd as he has been to push his TOG towards 90%.

 

[Santoz]

I don’t mind the pick and he has been in my team at stages but think I prefer Worpel for a little bit extra. An increase in TOG and natural progression could see him average 110 or so I reckon. I don’t think Mitchell will have a negative impact on his scoring.

Gah.

Stay away from my POD

 

[Connoisseur]

N Fyfe:






Wins: 119.90 from 82 (18/82 below 100, 43/82 120+)
2011: 124.44 from 9
2012: 93.71 from 7
2013: 108.86 from 14
2014: 122.92 from 13
2015: 129.57 from 14
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 115.13 from 8
2018: 142.2 from 5
2019: 124 from 12

Losses: 104.33 from 63 (22/63 below 100, 20/63 120+)
2011: 95.75 from 12
2012: 91.5 from 2
2013: 97 from 4
2014: 120.8 from 5
2015: 105.75 from 4
2016: 105.4 from 5
2017: 104.85 from 13
2018: 99.7 from 10
2019: 117.33 from 8

Pre Bye: 113.76 from 83 (20/83 below 100, 35/83 120+)
2011: 107.07 from 14
2012: 81.5 from 4
2013: 111.88 from 8
2014: 120 from 7
2015: 134.27 from 11
2016: 105.4 from 5
2017: 99.33 from 12
2018: 123.75 from 12
2019: 120.1 from 10

Post Bye: 111.86 from 63 (20/63 below 100, 28/63 120+)
2011: 110 from 7
2012: 102.6 from 5
2013: 102.55 from 11
2014: 123.82 from 11
2015: 108.57 from 7
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 121.33 from 9
2018: 74.33 from 3
2019: 119.9 from 10

 

[Manikato1]

Yeah, Fyfe to play more somewhat more forward. Brayshaw, Bewley and Cerra to play more mids was the talk. Hogan out doesn't help, although, hopefully helps Sturt get a game. McCarthy to play up the field a bit.

Always talk this time of the season with mids playing fwd more. Bit like Dunkley comment.

We did see late last year he had the odd game forward. Started him last year which was a winner as unique to an extent.

A few weeks ago there was a story in the paper that started out as Fyfe being asked about Ross Lyon getting another coaching gig and Fyfe saying sure-why not. But then it kind of morphed into a discussion about new coach JLo. I think some of the quotes used were also from SEN radio interview which I found online (below) but I did not find the tone of the newspaper article very positive.

While Fyfe is forever indebted to former coach Ross Lyon who he spent eight years with, the two-time Brownlow Medallist is relishing a fresh start.
“I’m trying to be as open-minded as I can. He (Longmuir) comes in with new language and philosophy on culture, preparation and game plan,” Fyfe told SEN Drive.
“For someone who has done it one way for eight years, it is quite invigorating to have a fresh look at things and it’s quite important that we get on the same page quickly.”
“It is different … Justin is a connector,” Fyfe said.
“He (Longmuir) is a person who likes to build relationships, move between player groups, staff, coaches, physios to get to know everyone, build that culture and build that environment.
“His view on the game is different to what Ross’ was. Justin has a view that really looks at opportunity and ways to score and potentially a bit freer flowing (football).
“There’s a lot of good elements about what we’re doing, and I guess the proof in the pudding will be once we start playing games.”

Fyfe does say he is relishing a fresh start and it is invigorating to look at things differently but I don't see that interview as a ringing endorsement of whatever JLo has in mind.

I would emphasise this was purely my interpretation of the article (and radio interview) but I did not get a very positive vibe from it. I might be looking at the glass half empty instead of half full but I am wondering if JLo has told Fyfe his role will be different and Fyfe is yet to come to terms with it.

 

[randomcliche]

Am I completely crazy for considering Ed Curnow ? ( $ 493,200.00).

Rd 15 - 23 last season Ave 113.77

After 9 seasons did Teague find the magic switch ?

Entering his 10th season is it possible he could produce a career best season of say 105+ and make him a viable pick ?

Given he has only hit 100+ previously in 2 seasons (2016 , 2018) maybe it is a complete longshot.

Yeah I was just looking at a few different options in case the rookie well is very dry , Sparkle was too expensive then found Curnow.

Doubt he will be even close to Top 10 so will look elsewhere , 2 Carlton players already is well and truly enough (unless Williamson , Cottrell and Philp are named Round 1 I will make an exception)

I think a very good pick. Especially if you go real light in R12 mid premos and slingshot him straight into a R12 premo...say Neale. I think he can be a very worthy pick and I do recall him holding out a top 8 a slot for a fair chunk of the the start of a season not so long ago. Underpriced and a good selection, just don't have more than 3 or 4 of these 'good' selections...

 

[chels]

We are slowly edging towards the pre-season comp. A time when speculation is (to a degree) replaced by actuality.

One of the points that will be fascinating is whether players who have changed clubs have been transformed. Colour me cynical, but prima facie I just do not see how a player that was let go by club A, who only played a handful of games over his time there, suddenly becomes best 22 at club B. Particularly when club B is stronger (i.e., they finished a long way further up the ladder last year than club A). Sure he might have been identified for a specific role, but is what has been a successful set-up going to be sacrificed?

Hope springs eternal and we all are searching for bargains, let's hope we spot some soon.

 

[Leroy]

N Fyfe:
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Wins: 119.90 from 82 (18/82 below 100, 43/82 120+)
2011: 124.44 from 9
2012: 93.71 from 7
2013: 108.86 from 14
2014: 122.92 from 13
2015: 129.57 from 14
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 115.13 from 8
2018: 142.2 from 5
2019: 124 from 12

Losses: 104.33 from 63 (22/63 below 100, 20/63 120+)
2011: 95.75 from 12
2012: 91.5 from 2
2013: 97 from 4
2014: 120.8 from 5
2015: 105.75 from 4
2016: 105.4 from 5
2017: 104.85 from 13
2018: 99.7 from 10
2019: 117.33 from 8

Pre Bye: 113.76 from 83 (20/83 below 100, 35/83 120+)
2011: 107.07 from 14
2012: 81.5 from 4
2013: 111.88 from 8
2014: 120 from 7
2015: 134.27 from 11
2016: 105.4 from 5
2017: 99.33 from 12
2018: 123.75 from 12
2019: 120.1 from 10

Post Bye: 111.86 from 63 (20/63 below 100, 28/63 120+)
2011: 110 from 7
2012: 102.6 from 5
2013: 102.55 from 11
2014: 123.82 from 11
2015: 108.57 from 7
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 121.33 from 9
2018: 74.33 from 3
2019: 119.9 from 10

Not sure if you can do it easily Connoisseur, but could you break up Fyfe's scoring by home/away|win/loss. Have a feeling he kills it in home wins and struggles away a bit more (like Freo generally).

 

[Professor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1226602871338127360

 

[IDIG]

Z Merrett:
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Wins: 110.28 from 39 (10/39 below 100, 16/39 120+)
2016: 128.33 from 3
2017: 112.42 from 12
2018: 103.58 from 12
2019: 110.33 from 12

Losses: 103.69 from 48 (21/48 below 100, 13/48 120+)
2016: 108.79 from 19
2017: 105 from 9
2018: 96.5 from 10
2019: 100 from 10

Pre Bye: 103.79 from 48 (19/48 below 100, 15/48 120+)
2016: 104.08 from 13
2017: 112.08 from 12
2018: 89.75 from 12
2019: 109.73 from 11

Post Bye: 110.15 from 39 (12/39 below 100, 14/39 120+)
2016: 122.11 from 9
2017: 105.44 from 9
2018: 113.1 from 10
2019: 101.55 from 11

Anyone have an opinion on what impact being voted out of the leadership group (by the players) will have on Zerrett this year?

 

[Professor]

Anyone have an opinion on what impact being voted out of the leadership group (by the players) will have on Zerrett this year?

I suspect a little less pressure on him. I'm not sure he was ready for it initially and maybe he didn't show enough onfield leadership, which made him focus on his individual game. Hence, the older wiser heads drafted into the leadership group this year. I may be completely wrong. ?

Edit- in terms of performance this year, he should equal last season, if not be spurred to go a bit harder.

 

[Manikato1]

Anyone have an opinion on what impact being voted out of the leadership group (by the players) will have on Zerrett this year?

Well if he is not a happy camper for some reason or Rutten is not his style then this year is the perfect set up to move on. Will have on year to go on contract after 2020 so Essendon can get something for him. If he is not happy and leave it till next year he can just walk away.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

A few weeks ago there was a story in the paper that started out as Fyfe being asked about Ross Lyon getting another coaching gig and Fyfe saying sure-why not. But then it kind of morphed into a discussion about new coach JLo. I think some of the quotes used were also from SEN radio interview which I found online (below) but I did not find the tone of the newspaper article very positive.

While Fyfe is forever indebted to former coach Ross Lyon who he spent eight years with, the two-time Brownlow Medallist is relishing a fresh start.
“I’m trying to be as open-minded as I can. He (Longmuir) comes in with new language and philosophy on culture, preparation and game plan,” Fyfe told SEN Drive.
“For someone who has done it one way for eight years, it is quite invigorating to have a fresh look at things and it’s quite important that we get on the same page quickly.”
“It is different … Justin is a connector,” Fyfe said.
“He (Longmuir) is a person who likes to build relationships, move between player groups, staff, coaches, physios to get to know everyone, build that culture and build that environment.
“His view on the game is different to what Ross’ was. Justin has a view that really looks at opportunity and ways to score and potentially a bit freer flowing (football).
“There’s a lot of good elements about what we’re doing, and I guess the proof in the pudding will be once we start playing games.”

Fyfe does say he is relishing a fresh start and it is invigorating to look at things differently but I don't see that interview as a ringing endorsement of whatever JLo has in mind.

I would emphasise this was purely my interpretation of the article (and radio interview) but I did not get a very positive vibe from it. I might be looking at the glass half empty instead of half full but I am wondering if JLo has told Fyfe his role will be different and Fyfe is yet to come to terms with it.

Surely JLo will continue to use one of the competitions preeminent Mid’s as a full time mid, rather than anything else... Surely !!

 

[Herbie66]

I think a very good pick. Especially if you go real light in R12 mid premos and slingshot him straight into a R12 premo...say Neale. I think he can be a very worthy pick and I do recall him holding out a top 8 a slot for a fair chunk of the the start of a season not so long ago. Underpriced and a good selection, just don't have more than 3 or 4 of these 'good' selections...

Thanks for that, just had a look at TooSerious, based on his historical average against team he is estimated to average 88.83 up to the bye and drop to approx $ 436 k

Think I will look elsewhere