Position Midfielder Discussion

Who are your likely 3 starters post Marsh 1...?

  • Macrae

    Votes: 74 69.2%
  • Neale

    Votes: 57 53.3%
  • Fyfe

    Votes: 21 19.6%
  • Kelly

    Votes: 26 24.3%
  • Cripps

    Votes: 58 54.2%
  • Dunkley

    Votes: 26 24.3%
  • Titch

    Votes: 20 18.7%
  • Danger

    Votes: 25 23.4%
  • Bont

    Votes: 25 23.4%
  • Oliver

    Votes: 35 32.7%

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Interesting - I had noticed the zigzag pattern in the second half of the year, but it actually started much earlier. He had 4 sub 100 scores pre bye and only 3 post bye.
He only played 7 games post bye and had 3 scores <85. If you look at round 9 onwards (when DeBoer shut him down and signalled to other teams that it can be done) then out of the 12 games he played he had 6 scores below 89 with an average in those 6 games of 78. Of course in the 6 games where he went over 100 he averaged 143 which mitigates those low scores and gave him an average of 110 over those 12 games. He averaged 127 before round 9. Not trying to talk anyone out of picking him, just an observation.
 
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I need somebody to give me an objective opinion of Oliver for this year. My own view is affected by the fact I owned him all of last year and found him very frustrating to watch. He would often dispose by hand to the first option he saw before he even assessed the best option or even considered kicking the damn thing. Furthermore often those handball were the wrong option or too hard for the receiver and did not result in a clearance.

However he did average nearly 110 in a poor team and is still young. Am I being too picky? With a little bit more poise I can see his scores improving to ultra premo status.
 
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I need somebody to give me an objective opinion of Oliver for this year. My own view is affected by the fact I owned him all of last year and found him very frustrating to watch. He would often dispose by hand to the first option he saw before he even assessed the best option or even considered kicking the damn thing. Furthermore often those handball were the wrong option or too hard for the receiver and did not result in a clearance.

However he did average nearly 110 in a poor team and is still young. Am I being too picky? With a little bit more poise I can see his scores improving to ultra premo status.
His record is pretty incredible (maybe even unprecedented?) in having three out of his first four seasons as a good mid premo (109.4+). I am a bit skeptical about him pushing up to super-premo status and think it depends a bit on how Dees go, which I'm not bullish on. He's not that cheap so I certainly don't think it hurts to wait and see on him if you have doubts. Mids looks very heavy with top-end premos this year so it's not the place to gamble.
Edited to add hasn't missed a game in three seasons and plays through pain which are big ticks in his favour as well.
 
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I need somebody to give me an objective opinion of Oliver for this year. My own view is affected by the fact I owned him all of last year and found him very frustrating to watch. He would often dispose by hand to the first option he saw before he even assessed the best option or even considered kicking the damn thing. Furthermore often those handball were the wrong option or too hard for the receiver and did not result in a clearance.

However he did average nearly 110 in a poor team and is still young. Am I being too picky? With a little bit more poise I can see his scores improving to ultra premo status.
I had him in 2018 and found his kick/handball ratio was skewed to the handball side which is not SC scoring friendly. Great player, but don't see him improving nor kicking the ball more. Similar to Treloar's skills/faults won't improve.
 
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I think we've seen Oliver as low in terms of SC output last season as we'll see for some time. His pre-season was ****e, he looked out of place and I reckon it was just one of those years where the Dee's in general just failed to click and carry momentum all season, always looked to be searching for something.
 
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I had him in 2018 and found his kick/handball ratio was skewed to the handball side which is not SC scoring friendly. Great player, but don't see him improving nor kicking the ball more. Similar to Treloar's skills/faults won't improve.
Oliver came off a double shoulder reco last year and finshed 7th highest for pts aggregate for the year (in a team that came 17th) and currently at 14% ownership.
Treloar (even with his crap DE) finished 4th highest in aggregate for the year and currently at 8% ownership

Just sayin.......
 
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I need somebody to give me an objective opinion of Oliver for this year. My own view is affected by the fact I owned him all of last year and found him very frustrating to watch. He would often dispose by hand to the first option he saw before he even assessed the best option or even considered kicking the damn thing. Furthermore often those handball were the wrong option or too hard for the receiver and did not result in a clearance.

However he did average nearly 110 in a poor team and is still young. Am I being too picky? With a little bit more poise I can see his scores improving to ultra premo status.
In total points he'll be a top 3 mid
 
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Oliver came off a double shoulder reco last year and finshed 7th highest for pts aggregate for the year (in a team that came 17th) and currently at 14% ownership.
Treloar (even with his crap DE) finished 4th highest in aggregate for the year and currently at 8% ownership

Just sayin.......
I know, must be frustrating that you know he has a higher ceiling, but falls into old ways. He's definitely a lock in the mids, but won't be in my starting team. As you said, if he was in another team with better support he'd be 10% better with his decision making.
 

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I need somebody to give me an objective opinion of Oliver for this year. My own view is affected by the fact I owned him all of last year and found him very frustrating to watch. He would often dispose by hand to the first option he saw before he even assessed the best option or even considered kicking the damn thing. Furthermore often those handball were the wrong option or too hard for the receiver and did not result in a clearance.

However he did average nearly 110 in a poor team and is still young. Am I being too picky? With a little bit more poise I can see his scores improving to ultra premo status.
He was one of my first picked. Gawn's fitness and the range of other good mid starting picks are the only things I could see keeping him out of my side.
 
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I’ve pulled Danger out of my team as he is turning 30 this year. This age historically continues the downward spiral on scoring ( maybe Boak last year was an exception). I’m sold now on picking a younger Uber prem from 22-26 yrs of age who I traject will be on an upward spiral. That also discounts Fyfe for me as well. If you look deep enough there are some real premium gems in that bracket. Anyway food for thought.
 
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I’ve pulled Danger out of my team as he is turning 30 this year. This age historically continues the downward spiral on scoring ( maybe Boak last year was an exception). I’m sold now on picking a younger Uber prem from 22-26 yrs of age who I traject will be on an upward spiral. That also discounts Fyfe for me as well. If you look deep enough there are some real premium gems in that bracket. Anyway food for thought.
Does Kelly leaving present an opportunity for Danger to spend more time in the midfield? I don’t think so. He is now an integral part of their fwd structure and no doubt he will be rested throughout the season.
 
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Oliver came off a double shoulder reco last year and finshed 7th highest for pts aggregate for the year (in a team that came 17th) and currently at 14% ownership.
Treloar (even with his crap DE) finished 4th highest in aggregate for the year and currently at 8% ownership

Just sayin.......
Imagine if Trealor improved his efficiency by only 5%. Can he do this? Becomes very very tempting with Grundy spoon feeding him. Pendles has to be used sparingly in the mids one would think so Trealor becomes the main man. Go pies!
 
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I think we've seen Oliver as low in terms of SC output last season as we'll see for some time. His pre-season was ****e, he looked out of place and I reckon it was just one of those years where the Dee's in general just failed to click and carry momentum all season, always looked to be searching for something.
Didn't he come into the 2019 season having had recos on both shoulders?

Another big factor was Melbourne's general ineptitude with regards to kicking a score - it's a bit hard to get involved in scoring chains if your forwards aren't actually getting their hands on the ball or kicking goals, even in games where they had a significant advantage in I50's.
 
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Didn't he come into the 2019 season having had recos on both shoulders?

Another big factor was Melbourne's general ineptitude with regards to kicking a score - it's a bit hard to get involved in scoring chains if your forwards aren't actually getting their hands on the ball or kicking goals, even in games where they had a significant advantage in I50's.
Throw in his 1:6 kick to handball ratio. If you think the Dees will improve this yr he could be a good get.
 
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Imagine if Trealor improved his efficiency by only 5%. Can he do this? Becomes very very tempting with Grundy spoon feeding him. Pendles has to be used sparingly in the mids one would think so Trealor becomes the main man. Go pies!
That'd be great, he's one of the first picked in my team and any upside is a bonus. I'm not banking on it though.
 
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Does Kelly leaving present an opportunity for Danger to spend more time in the midfield? I don’t think so. He is now an integral part of their fwd structure and no doubt he will be rested throughout the season.
I’m thinking the introduction of Jenkins will allow Danger to spend less time forward.. and not real sure they will have the luxury of resting him either
 
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