Opinion Rate My AFL SuperCoach Team

[Ironhawk]

Herbie, I think your enthusiasm is commendable and your unique approach is refreshing.

And, like with any fantasy competition, I also understand an attachment to a theme (e.g. pro mid-pricers, anti GnR, or lack of rookies) – and that other people’s opinions are merely hurdles disguised as ‘conventional wisdom’. We’re painting a canvas here, and it’s easy to fall in love with certain players or ideas.

However certain wisdom is convention for a reason. OnTopBar running half the number of usual cash-generating rookies definitely frees the team up for a number of list-clogging mid-pricers – while the decision to run without any of those pesky premiums like Brodie Grundy, Jack Macrae, Max Gawn, Patrick Cripps or Patrick Dangerfield is certainly an interesting approach.

I haven’t looked for the post, but I remember giving similar advice to Ironhawk(?) last year who wanted to run with the full mid-pricer team. You’d be better off buying a lotto ticket.

At the end of the day, I’m only trying to assist, and people can take comments on board, or (more likely) tell me where to shove it. But the last thing anyone wants to see, is you (or anyone) saying “Well that didn’t work out, can start early prep for next year” by round 6.

Not me. I only joined at the start of last season and my team wasn't full of mid pricers (I did have a few more than I should have it turned out).

I did post a team with all players below 550K a few weeks back (post 708), that was never going to be the team I run with though. Was entirely to see what I could come up with having that constraint.

 

[OnTopBar]

That team has basically zero chance of being competitive, and any advice to the contrary is folly.

Sorry if that's not constructive, but it's an unfortunate reality

TBH it's not constructive, I've put this team up to generate discussion and it might not work, but it just might as well.

If you can give me the reasoning behind your poo pooing of it then I might be able to give you an alternative.

Last year was my first year playing this game and whilst I was able to get myself into the top 1k by round 22 I was still not competitive because I fell so far behind in the first few weeks that I never realistically had an opportunity of catching the big dogs for the rest of the year

So if you, or anybody for that matter, can come up with a strategy that will keep me both within reaching distance of the leaders and separate myself from the rest of the pack, whilst maintaining the ability of getting to a full premo team then I'll gladly listen to it.

I am not bound by the traditional way of thinking and never have been, but I will take on board all advice and analysis, making my decisions on what I see could work and what I see as having worked, but using the plethora of info here and then finding the right recipe after combining everything is what keeps me enthralled.

So yeah, please come at me as hard as you like.

 

[eno]

You might not like another person's approach to structuring and/or the personnel of their team, however here if we can't give constructive feedback then we don't give it at all, and respect is shown to those prepared to post their teams.

Seeing different structures and POD players is actually very beneficial to all of us. Group think is real and can be a hindrance to our teams.

I’ll admit that’s a DH post on my part.

To @Connoisseur, I dont dislike any of your selections individually but as a collective, a lot of them pose quite a risk.
Defense looks good, Daniel a good POD. Ryan poses risk with the possibility of playing lockdown which hurts his scoring. The rest I like.

Midfield picks are all great but a risk in Hannebery. NicNat I don’t hate, but with his injury history do you have a plan for if it all goes pear shaped? Possibly look at Ceglar in the fwd line to cover incase NicNat breaks down again.

Now the fwd picks I don’t mind, but with all of them having some risk the collective risk is off the charts. I’d suggest at least one of Whit/Dusty to hold it down.

My 2c without being a total asshole. Apologies

 

[OnTopBar]

you should otherwise you will be asking yourself " what if" every week

Sicily, Houston, Smith, Docherty
Treloar, Oliver
Martin, Dawson, Wingard, Lynch , Smith

could all be very realistic chances of being keepers

so the problem children are Curnow, Hannebery, Steven & Ceglar (?) +the rucks so you might only have too pump the money into 6 players

now

what if time

Ladhams - > Ceglar
Ceglar - > Steven
Steven - > eg McHenry play Pickett onfield

you now have a extra $ 200 k to get Nasimith to Naitanui

Thanks @Herbie66 I'm enjoying the chat and your comments are certainly constructive. It's appreciated that your spending the time and effort.

Ceglar would be my cover for the weak Ruck line, so he has to stay, at least until after the byes and maybe as insurance if one of the premo rucks that I bring in should not play for whatever reason.

My plan for this year has always been to aim for 24-25 keepers, not the traditional 22. Mainly cos I'm gonna bash through my trades and hopefully have at least 3 good scorers on the bench to cover the last few weeks when I don't have any trades. So some of those players that I've picked will end up on the bench.

Obviously not all of the players I've picked will be top 6-8 in their respective lines, in fact if I end up with all of the players you mentioned then I'll be a very happy camper indeed. My contingency is to drop whoever is a fail to a rookie that has had a couple of games and is ripe for the picking. I think my ability to identify those rookies at the start of the season is a bit 'hit n miss' so why not wait until they have proven themselves at least to be a cash generator for a couple of games? If I approach all players with this mindset then I'm fairly confident that I can o***et the lack of cash generation.

I'm not sure, cos I haven't been around long enough, but I think that coaches allow for a few correctional trades and other trades to access rookies on the bubble. So my strategy would essentially be the same but with the ability to correctly identify those rookies without guessing and at the same time maintaining a solid scoring profile.

 

[OnTopBar]

I’ll admit that’s a DH post on my part.

To @Connoisseur, I dont dislike any of your selections individually but as a collective, a lot of them pose quite a risk.
Defense looks good, Daniel a good POD. Ryan poses risk with the possibility of playing lockdown which hurts his scoring. The rest I like.

Midfield picks are all great but a risk in Hannebery. NicNat I don’t hate, but with his injury history do you have a plan for if it all goes pear shaped? Possibly look at Ceglar in the fwd line to cover incase NicNat breaks down again.

Now the fwd picks I don’t mind, but with all of them having some risk the collective risk is off the charts. I’d suggest at least one of Whit/Dusty to hold it down.

My 2c without being a total asshole. Apologies

Kudos to a bloke who can apologise.....

 

[OnTopBar]

Smith - > Young
Sier - > $ 123,900.00 rookie
Steven - $ 123,900.00 rookie
Ceglar - > Hill
Ladhams - > Grundy
Naismith - > Gawn

6 changes gives it 15 potential keepers from the start, which would be more than competitive

anyway

this thread is probably a complete waste of time anyway until Round 1 teams are announced

Not at all boyo, those changes could be on the cards over the first 6 rounds or so and those rookie changes will be the ones that have shown themselves rather than me guessing at the start of the year who they could be.. Thanks for the perspective.

 

[Connoisseur]

I’ll admit that’s a DH post on my part.

To @Connoisseur, I dont dislike any of your selections individually but as a collective, a lot of them pose quite a risk.
Defense looks good, Daniel a good POD. Ryan poses risk with the possibility of playing lockdown which hurts his scoring. The rest I like.

Midfield picks are all great but a risk in Hannebery. NicNat I don’t hate, but with his injury history do you have a plan for if it all goes pear shaped? Possibly look at Ceglar in the fwd line to cover incase NicNat breaks down again.

Now the fwd picks I don’t mind, but with all of them having some risk the collective risk is off the charts. I’d suggest at least one of Whit/Dusty to hold it down.

My 2c without being a total asshole. Apologies

Greatly appreciate the response.

Daniel and Ryan are vying with Laird and Houston for those D1-D2 spots unless I force a restructure dependent on the performance and job security of def rookies in the upcoming pre-season matches which would then mean only 1 of the 4 will be selected. Prefer Ryan for various reasons ranging from their potential soft opening, increasing improvement in his disposal avg and isn't heavily dependent on amassing a large amount of the ball.

Career Disposals Avg: 18.47 from 49
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 19: 110.22 from 23 (1/23 below 80, 9/23 below 100, 8/23 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 19: 70.77 from 26 (16/26 below 80, 24/26 below 100)

T Mitchell will likely be replaced by C Oliver allowing sufficient cash to upgrade bench rookies if necessary whilst reducing some of the risk. Hannebery is currently occupying M6 due to the lack of appealing mid price options and I'm finding it had to part with him, likely due to fond memories of 2015-2016 and his performance last season on limited TOG%. Will likely make way for a rookie at M6 (D Stephens,etc) if I decide to shore up my forward line.

No plans for Nic Nat as I haven't had a sufficient look at Ceglar (until HTA's are re-released) and would prefer Wingard, Lynch, Steven, Brayshaw instead of a R/F and with the amount of mid-priced options I will have various avenues to fix Nic Nat.

As for the forward line I've entertained the idea of going cheap for numerous seasons and this year's lack of premium options (the benchmark probably lowered for a passable avg) and enticing options around the 300,000 to 470,000 range have led to the current structure. T Lynch and C Wingard are vying with A Brayshaw for the current F1 and F2 spots. Once the rookie situation becomes clearer it will likey involve a restructure (eg def premium to def rookie and 2 FWD midprice to Dusty and Whitfield, etc).

 

[OnTopBar]

Greatly appreciate the response.

Daniel and Ryan are vying with Laird and Houston for those D1-D2 spots unless I force a restructure dependent on the performance and job security of def rookies in the upcoming pre-season matches which would then mean only 1 of the 4 will be selected. Prefer Ryan for various reasons ranging from their potential soft opening, increasing improvement in his disposal avg and isn't heavily dependent on amassing a large amount of the ball.

Career Disposals Avg: 18.47 from 49
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 19: 110.22 from 23 (1/23 below 80, 9/23 below 100, 8/23 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 19: 70.77 from 26 (16/26 below 80, 24/26 below 100)

T Mitchell will likely be replaced by C Oliver allowing sufficient cash to upgrade bench rookies if necessary whilst reducing some of the risk. Hannebery is currently occupying M6 due to the lack of appealing mid price options and I'm finding it had to part with him, likely due to fond memories of 2015-2016 and his performance last season on limited TOG%. Will likely make way for a rookie at M6 (D Stephens,etc) if I decide to shore up my forward line.

No plans for Nic Nat as I haven't had a sufficient look at Ceglar (until HTA's are re-released) and would prefer Wingard, Lynch, Steven, Brayshaw instead of a R/F and with the amount of mid-priced options I will have various avenues to fix Nic Nat.

As for the forward line I've entertained the idea of going cheap for numerous seasons and this year's lack of premium options (the benchmark probably lowered for a passable avg) and enticing options around the 300,000 to 470,000 range have led to the current structure. T Lynch and C Wingard are vying with A Brayshaw for the current F1 and F2 spots. Once the rookie situation becomes clearer it will likey involve a restructure (eg def premium to def rookie and 2 FWD midprice to Dusty and Whitfield, etc).

This is the sort of response that's generated by a thoughtful analysis, well done to both of you

*Edit........oh gawd I'm sounding like a Dad please ignore my comments as I may or may not have had a few bevvies.

 

[Connoisseur]

This is the sort of response that's generated by a thoughtful analysis, well done to both of you

*Edit........oh gawd I'm sounding like a Dad please ignore my comments as I may or may not have had a few bevvies.

Thanks Pa. Can I receive my inheritance now?

 

[OnTopBar]

Thanks Pa. Can I receive my inheritance now?

Sorry Son, spent it on hookers, coke and booze, the rest I wasted.

 

[stephen]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.

 

[Pieman17]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.
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Looks good mate,very similar to mine.

You think Blakely will get more midfield minutes ?

 

[OnTopBar]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.
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Well I like it, don't know if that means anything. Currently only 2 first year players on field (not a bad thing)

 

[stephen]

Looks good mate,very similar to mine.

You think Blakely will get more midfield minutes ?

Thanks mate. I sure hope so. I think he looks good when he plays there. Hopefully it becomes clear in the next few weeks.

 

[freowho]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.
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This is not far from my own so it is very good! The only player I would question is NicNat. Could be problematic?

 

[stephen]

This is not far from my own so it is very good! The only player I would question is NicNat. Could be problematic?

Yes, R2 is my least favourite position at the moment. I am really hoping someone out of Ceglar, Ladhams or Naismith puts their hand up. Or a little-known guy called Max Gawn. For now I have reluctantly decided that NicNat is the best way to hold down the spot till the byes. I think he can go at 100-105 which could be a win depending on what Gawn does. Lots of problems with it (I would be much happier if I could slingshot) but I haven't come up with anything better yet.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.
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Like it mate.

One question, any reason for no Whitfield?

 

[Herbie66]

so since I have no idea how to play this game , let's go back to basics

and yes I have read countless posts on here and other sites

ok so the conventional (safe) way is to start with GnR's

I need a C/VC which I am going to calculate at $ 700,000.00 x 2 = $ 1,400,000.00

My bench is going to be $ 125,000.00 x 8 = $ 1,000,000.00 ( and yes their may well be bench players available cheaper than $ 123,900.00)

I want at least 4 premium mids at $ 625,00.00 = $ 2,500,000.00 ( yes we could argue that we can get some cheaper).

I want to have 8 onfield rookies (many will say that is too many to start) , for the sake of this I am allowing $ 200,000.00 for each player = $ 1,600,000.00.

For this purpose I have used the 2019 Draft so Rowell , Anderson , Ash , D Stephens , Mcasey , Young , Henry & Flanders) = $ 1,491,900.00

As to whether these or any other rookies will play Round 1 , none of us know unless we are involved or connected to a club and their selection committee.

I have now allocated $ 6,500,000.00 and need 4 premium defenders and forwards at a average cost of $ 437,500.00 ?

In my mind I rate a premium defender and forward to average 90 (perhaps too low).

Salem averaged 90.5 last season and costs $ 491,200.00.......we have a problem.

Ziebell averaged 90.9 last season costs $ 493,400.00......we have another problem

So

4 x $ 437,500.00 Defenders = $ 1,750,000.00

let's add another rookie on field , so the next defender drafted was Day at $ 153,300.00 so I now have $ 1,596,000.00 for 3 Premium defenders.

Williams , Laird , Sicily cost $ 1,587,000.00.

4 x $ 437,500.00 Forwards = $ 1,750,000.00

let's add another rookie on field , so the next forward drafted was Kropenyeri-Pickett at $ 157,800.00 so I now have $ 1,592,200.00 for 3 Premium Forwards.

Martin , Ablett & Heeney cost $ 1,573,200.00

so my conventional GnR is set

Williams , Laird , Sicily
4 Premium Mids @ $ 625,000.00
Grundy , Gawn
D Martin , Ablett , Heeney

= 12 premium mids + 10 onfield rookies

given we have no idea of who the rookies are and how well they will score and their job security can these team be competitive enough ?

but 10 onfield rookies that can't work either , but it has too with GnR approach

or do we look at midpricers (or are they underpriced) to eliminate all these onfield rookies ?

people like Docherty , Franklin , Gibbs , Hannebery , Lynch , McDonald , Smith , Steven etc etc are all underpriced and have achieved 90+ season's before

but they are midpricers , but they can't work.

but then if we don't have 18 viable rookies named Round 1 what will I do if I can't start a GnR team ?

After all I don't know how to play this game , maybe we need a balance of premiums , rookies & mid pricers to get the balance right from the start.

PS

and yes I haven't factored in the "loose change" saved.

Cheers

 

[Bomber18]

Thoughts before things get more interesting. Most spots still up in the air.
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Like it!
Pretty much the same core group of players I’m considering and flicking between. Currently have Whitfield, Naismith, Roberton to your Oliver, NN and Tobe Watson.

Admittedly, it’s pretty midpricer heavy but they’re the names I like!

 

[Ironhawk]

so since I have no idea how to play this game , let's go back to basics

and yes I have read countless posts on here and other sites

ok so the conventional (safe) way is to start with GnR's

I need a C/VC which I am going to calculate at $ 700,000.00 x 2 = $ 1,400,000.00

My bench is going to be $ 125,000.00 x 8 = $ 1,000,000.00 ( and yes their may well be bench players available cheaper than $ 123,900.00)

I want at least 4 premium mids at $ 625,00.00 = $ 2,500,000.00 ( yes we could argue that we can get some cheaper).

I want to have 8 onfield rookies (many will say that is too many to start) , for the sake of this I am allowing $ 200,000.00 for each player = $ 1,600,000.00.

For this purpose I have used the 2019 Draft so Rowell , Anderson , Ash , D Stephens , Mcasey , Young , Henry & Flanders) = $ 1,491,900.00

As to whether these or any other rookies will play Round 1 , none of us know unless we are involved or connected to a club and their selection committee.

I have now allocated $ 6,500,000.00 and need 4 premium defenders and forwards at a average cost of $ 437,500.00 ?

In my mind I rate a premium defender and forward to average 90 (perhaps too low).

Salem averaged 90.5 last season and costs $ 491,200.00.......we have a problem.

Ziebell averaged 90.9 last season costs $ 493,400.00......we have another problem

So

4 x $ 437,500.00 Defenders = $ 1,750,000.00

let's add another rookie on field , so the next defender drafted was Day at $ 153,300.00 so I now have $ 1,596,000.00 for 3 Premium defenders.

Williams , Laird , Sicily cost $ 1,587,000.00.

4 x $ 437,500.00 Forwards = $ 1,750,000.00

let's add another rookie on field , so the next forward drafted was Kropenyeri-Pickett at $ 157,800.00 so I now have $ 1,592,200.00 for 3 Premium Forwards.

Martin , Ablett & Heeney cost $ 1,573,200.00

so my conventional GnR is set

Williams , Laird , Sicily
4 Premium Mids @ $ 625,000.00
Grundy , Gawn
D Martin , Ablett , Heeney

= 12 premium mids + 10 onfield rookies

given we have no idea of who the rookies are and how well they will score and their job security can these team be competitive enough ?

but 10 onfield rookies that can't work either , but it has too with GnR approach

or do we look at midpricers (or are they underpriced) to eliminate all these onfield rookies ?

people like Docherty , Franklin , Gibbs , Hannebery , Lynch , McDonald , Smith , Steven etc etc are all underpriced and have achieved 90+ season's before

but they are midpricers , but they can't work.

but then if we don't have 18 viable rookies named Round 1 what will I do if I can't start a GnR team ?

After all I don't know how to play this game , maybe we need a balance of premiums , rookies & mid pricers to get the balance right from the start.

PS

and yes I haven't factored in the "loose change" saved.

Cheers

Nice team.