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To me his uncontested possessions are not cheap, it’s from his running across the ground and ability to read the play. Cheap uncontested possessions only really exist in the back line.
His kicking is elite, he tackles and wins contested footy and gets plenty of score involvements.
Not the best player in the league for me but probably in the 10-15 range. I rate Bont higher as a player but not as a SC player.
Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Grundy, Gawn, Jeremy Cameron, McGovern, Bont, Dusty, Titch and Neale are ahead of him for me.
His kicking is elite, he tackles and wins contested footy and gets plenty of score involvements.
Not the best player in the league for me but probably in the 10-15 range. I rate Bont higher as a player but not as a SC player.
Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Grundy, Gawn, Jeremy Cameron, McGovern, Bont, Dusty, Titch and Neale are ahead of him for me.
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My question is to everyone starting with either of, or especially both of Dangerfield and Oliver.
Although both will likely be top mids by years end are you at all worried about their opening draws, more so the likelihood of some tight tags early which is more a negative for getting a fast start as opposed to the overall average they will deliver or the option of trading them in early (R7-9) due to a possible drop in price.
Oliver plays, WC, GWS, FREO, STK in the opening 4 rounds. De Boer and Hutchings were the 2 most effective taggers last season and Stk's J.Steele was also in the top 5-6.
Danger plays, GWS, CGS, WC, HAW, STK in the opening 5 rounds. Again, the same 3 highly rated taggers early.
My feelings at the moment are, that you can probably afford to start one but that starting both may be a negative vs teams that bring them in later.
Apologies if this has been spoken about on here before.
Thoughts?
Although both will likely be top mids by years end are you at all worried about their opening draws, more so the likelihood of some tight tags early which is more a negative for getting a fast start as opposed to the overall average they will deliver or the option of trading them in early (R7-9) due to a possible drop in price.
Oliver plays, WC, GWS, FREO, STK in the opening 4 rounds. De Boer and Hutchings were the 2 most effective taggers last season and Stk's J.Steele was also in the top 5-6.
Danger plays, GWS, CGS, WC, HAW, STK in the opening 5 rounds. Again, the same 3 highly rated taggers early.
My feelings at the moment are, that you can probably afford to start one but that starting both may be a negative vs teams that bring them in later.
Apologies if this has been spoken about on here before.
Thoughts?
I’ll start by saying that I don’t necessarily agree with the term “cheap ball” in general. Outside ball is at least, if not more important than inside ball in the modern game in my view. It’s hard to weigh them against each other as without the bulls the distributors are useless and vice versa.
Ball winning and disposal efficiency/retention rate alongside his ability to get to the right spots are why I rate him so highly. I’d also wager without looking at the stats that his score involvements and metres gained are both well above average for the typical in/outside mid.
If he can add a goal a game to his arsenal I’ll put my house on him for the Brownlow.
Ball winning and disposal efficiency/retention rate alongside his ability to get to the right spots are why I rate him so highly. I’d also wager without looking at the stats that his score involvements and metres gained are both well above average for the typical in/outside mid.
If he can add a goal a game to his arsenal I’ll put my house on him for the Brownlow.
This is tough to answer. I've seen reports saying DeBoer has been training forward to make room for their mids, Hutchings might get pushed out to allow for Kelly, Steele will be released of his run with role under Ratten and Clarke at Essendon might be allowed to chase the ball more.
Danger and Oliver can both throw in some low games and get picked up cheaper but should be top 10 mids for the year regardless.
They've both been in and out of my starting team and I can't help but think that whatever I do the opposite is the right choice!!!
Danger and Oliver can both throw in some low games and get picked up cheaper but should be top 10 mids for the year regardless.
They've both been in and out of my starting team and I can't help but think that whatever I do the opposite is the right choice!!!
I am glad you approve ?
Was always starting Bont , Macrae looks like he won't drop too much in price (whereas other premium mids should) & from reading here and elsewhere Dunkley could be anything.
I think I saw a stat that they average 118 together which I am happy to take.
Banking on getting Danger cheaper and Oliver after his Bye.
Now got doubts on Cripps re his tagged average and non tagged average so thinking of buying some Jelly from the start and see how that ride goes.
Was always starting Bont , Macrae looks like he won't drop too much in price (whereas other premium mids should) & from reading here and elsewhere Dunkley could be anything.
I think I saw a stat that they average 118 together which I am happy to take.
Banking on getting Danger cheaper and Oliver after his Bye.
Now got doubts on Cripps re his tagged average and non tagged average so thinking of buying some Jelly from the start and see how that ride goes.
Most of the premo mids come up against effective taggers within the first 4 rounds:
(not only Danger & Oliver)
Bont (GWS - deboer rd3 & rd 13)
Cripps (Bombers - Clarke rd 3, Sydney - Hewitt rd4) even the dogs gave him a tough time in the second meeting last year where he scored low after going huge in the earlier matchup and he faces them in round 2
Neale might cop increased attention after his blinder last year....
Even Jelly or whitfield could face a few early on....
They all pretty much face coping a tag early on but.....on the flipside are likely to go huge when the draw opens up a little(making up for the earlier sub-par scores).
Probably splitting hairs at the end of the day.....so just go with your gut feel
(not only Danger & Oliver)
Bont (GWS - deboer rd3 & rd 13)
Cripps (Bombers - Clarke rd 3, Sydney - Hewitt rd4) even the dogs gave him a tough time in the second meeting last year where he scored low after going huge in the earlier matchup and he faces them in round 2
Neale might cop increased attention after his blinder last year....
Even Jelly or whitfield could face a few early on....
They all pretty much face coping a tag early on but.....on the flipside are likely to go huge when the draw opens up a little(making up for the earlier sub-par scores).
Probably splitting hairs at the end of the day.....so just go with your gut feel
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Didn't we have a season within the last ten......where most coaches seem to do away with tagging, like it was some unofficial agreement between all, and we had many high scoring end to end matches. I seem to recall everyone lovin it....even the commentators couldn't believe it.
Anyone remember that year or was I dreaming ?
Then the following year one coach decided to bring it back, and that was that....who was that man ??
Anyone remember that year or was I dreaming ?
Then the following year one coach decided to bring it back, and that was that....who was that man ??
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Didn't we have a season within the last ten......where most coaches seem to do away with tagging, like it was some unofficial agreement between all, and we had many high scoring end to end matches. I seem to recall everyone lovin it....even the commentators couldn't believe it.
Anyone remember that year or was I dreaming ?
Then the following year one coach decided to bring it back, and that was that....who was that man ??
Anyone remember that year or was I dreaming ?
Then the following year one coach decided to bring it back, and that was that....who was that man ??
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Neale went big over the first 6 rounds last year because of his draw, it's why I selected him.
Hope it is ok if I give credit to another site...An article over on Supercoach Talk that showed Neale's average vs 5 of the first 6 teams to start Brisbane's draw were teams Neale averaged something crazy like 125 against while he was at Freo, that juicy tid-bit of info proved to be spot on as he continued that history at Brisbane.
Hope it is ok if I give credit to another site...An article over on Supercoach Talk that showed Neale's average vs 5 of the first 6 teams to start Brisbane's draw were teams Neale averaged something crazy like 125 against while he was at Freo, that juicy tid-bit of info proved to be spot on as he continued that history at Brisbane.
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L Neale:
2019:
RD1: WC: 118.13 from 8 (low of 73 and a high of 170, 2/8 below 100, 4/8 120+)
RD2: NM: 109.33 from 6 (low of 74 and a high of 141, 2/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
RD3: Port: 111.33 from 6 (low of 87 and a high of 149, 3/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
RD4: Ess: 121 from 6 (low of 93 and a high of 147, 2/6 below 100, 3/6 120+)
RD5: Coll: 110.2 from 5 (low of 100 and a high of 140, 1/5 120+)
RD6: GC: 110.2 from 5 (low of 77 and a high of 156, 2/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
One of my best starting selections last season and the reasoning was primarily due to the likelihood of increased TOG% and Fyfeless.
2019:
RD1: WC: 118.13 from 8 (low of 73 and a high of 170, 2/8 below 100, 4/8 120+)
RD2: NM: 109.33 from 6 (low of 74 and a high of 141, 2/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
RD3: Port: 111.33 from 6 (low of 87 and a high of 149, 3/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
RD4: Ess: 121 from 6 (low of 93 and a high of 147, 2/6 below 100, 3/6 120+)
RD5: Coll: 110.2 from 5 (low of 100 and a high of 140, 1/5 120+)
RD6: GC: 110.2 from 5 (low of 77 and a high of 156, 2/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
One of my best starting selections last season and the reasoning was primarily due to the likelihood of increased TOG% and Fyfeless.