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Finished on 69. Did nothing in the 2nd half.
Yeah, not for me. Doesn't get enough of the footy. Will probably average in the mid-70s but for 250k I don't think that's good enough. With the way my team is set up now (Gawdy + 5 600k+ mids) I don't think I'd get much value out of sacrificing Gawn and I'm more comfortable with the rookie situation after Noble, C.Taylor, Starcevich and Robertson stepped up.
Yeah, not for me. Doesn't get enough of the footy. Will probably average in the mid-70s but for 250k I don't think that's good enough. With the way my team is set up now (Gawdy + 5 600k+ mids) I don't think I'd get much value out of sacrificing Gawn and I'm more comfortable with the rookie situation after Noble, C.Taylor, Starcevich and Robertson stepped up.
Just my 2 cents but I have read a few comments doubting whether Naismith is their number 1 ruck. If this is your worry i think you should look closer. He is a long way ahead of Sinclair in terms of a pure ruckman. The only issue he has is if he stays fit. I can see Sinclair out as soon as Buddy returns.
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Naismith’s minutes were managed FWIW. Points per % TOG numbers were quite good in the Marsh games and he’ll get more TOG in the real stuff.
Looked great in the first half and there was a great stat broadcast during the 3rd QT - Sinclair losing HOs 11-0 against Goldy; Naismith beating Goldy 14-5.
With the benefit of actually playing the second half, we know that his rate of scoring decreased (as his TOG was managed as well when Amartey played), but I think with scores of 79 from 55% TOG and 69 from 72% against historically proven rucks like Jacobs and Goldsmith (not your English, Soldo types for example), looks likely that Naismith can average 75+. Has a pretty easy draw early as well with no matchups early against Grundy/Gawn and the tougher games coming in R8/R9 vs Goldy/NN.
Done enough for me but I think the hard core set and forget guys will be hard to convince. Will be interesting to see what basement rookies get named (if any) to see how the Gawn R2 teams end up.
You mean just simple avg pre / post?
If so, 2019, all ruck-listed players I had data for:
All available data 2015 - 2019 (which will vary by player a fair bit, not all around across the entire period etc.)
If you want something more 'nuanced' (for lack of a better word / to maybe secure the inside rail for the most pretentious word of the year) like looking at ton rates or binned scores or whatever, might be able to do it, depending on what it is. Heaps to factor into it (like breakout timing etc.)
Haven't cleaned / sanity-checked the data to double-check formulas etc., so if anyone sees anything clearly skewiff, let me know.
Cheers.
If so, 2019, all ruck-listed players I had data for:
All available data 2015 - 2019 (which will vary by player a fair bit, not all around across the entire period etc.)
If you want something more 'nuanced' (for lack of a better word / to maybe secure the inside rail for the most pretentious word of the year) like looking at ton rates or binned scores or whatever, might be able to do it, depending on what it is. Heaps to factor into it (like breakout timing etc.)
Haven't cleaned / sanity-checked the data to double-check formulas etc., so if anyone sees anything clearly skewiff, let me know.
Cheers.
Nice writeup. The hitout won stat surprised me when mentioned on broadcast and definitely showed that Naismith is the primary ruck over Sinclair. He definitely showed enough floor to make him a worse case viable selection. Naismith now goes into my player pool, but will see what sides look like with either Naismith or Gawn.
The main risk with Naismith appears to be injury and where do you go from there, but this appears to be a “gamestyle” decision on how you rate the risk versus the potential reward. For me, the reward of potentially having one of the top money generators outweighs any “rankings risk”.
The main risk with Naismith appears to be injury and where do you go from there, but this appears to be a “gamestyle” decision on how you rate the risk versus the potential reward. For me, the reward of potentially having one of the top money generators outweighs any “rankings risk”.