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Maybe, but if it happens early it's a lot of cooin to find and as we already know, downgrades for other rookies are not going to be easy to find, you may have to trade in a donut just to get to gawn.
If not, you trade in potentially another ruck that ends up being another stepping stone to Gawn later. I only ask as I've been in this exact place and it was hell. I wen't through about 4 trades or more and several different rucks and it ruined my season.
I know I sound like a broken record, but for me to be in that same spot without a way out sucks and that's if you don't have issues on other lines.
I know everyone says Gawn can get injured and I agree, we'ce recently seen this but Naismith history is a little meh isn't it?
If not, you trade in potentially another ruck that ends up being another stepping stone to Gawn later. I only ask as I've been in this exact place and it was hell. I wen't through about 4 trades or more and several different rucks and it ruined my season.
I know I sound like a broken record, but for me to be in that same spot without a way out sucks and that's if you don't have issues on other lines.
I know everyone says Gawn can get injured and I agree, we'ce recently seen this but Naismith history is a little meh isn't it?
I’m finding my Naismith side has about $130k spare which could become an emergency fund to help. Also it sounds like WCE Williams is likely so you could trade Naismith to a defender.
Who knows how it will turn out though. You are right to highlight the risk because it’s certainly there. He’d be one of the first players to upgrade.
I think the trick would be to react hard and fast. Don’t mess around with stepping stones just get to Gawn however you can.
But who knows maybe Gawn doesn’t turn out to be the one to get. Unlikely but who knows.
Who knows how it will turn out though. You are right to highlight the risk because it’s certainly there. He’d be one of the first players to upgrade.
I think the trick would be to react hard and fast. Don’t mess around with stepping stones just get to Gawn however you can.
But who knows maybe Gawn doesn’t turn out to be the one to get. Unlikely but who knows.
The injury scenario is the one people always raise with the cheaper rucks (i.e. I raised these with Witts in 2017 as well). Ironically, Gawn copped the LTI injury in R3 in the Witts years. The injury risk itself applies to Gawn as well, perhaps more so with an interrupted preseason.
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow
).
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow
).
The injury scenario is the one people always raise with the cheaper rucks (i.e. I raised these with Witts in 2017 as well). Ironically, Gawn copped the LTI injury in R3 in the Witts years. The injury risk itself applies to Gawn as well, perhaps more so with an interrupted preseason.
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow).
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow
).
As long as you are aware, you have to take risks somewhere. And worse case, you have a bit of fun trying to navigate your way out.
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The injury scenario is the one people always raise with the cheaper rucks (i.e. I raised these with Witts in 2017 as well). Ironically, Gawn copped the LTI injury in R3 in the Witts years. The injury risk itself applies to Gawn as well, perhaps more so with an interrupted preseason.
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow).
In the end, the "doomsday" scenario probably just results in one extra trade. You have to sacrifice a healthy premium somewhere else down to a rookie to go Naismith up to Gawn (who hopefully is a bit cheaper after starting slow
).
He's an awkward price even still at $250k, I love that there is this discussion but for those that are jumping on without a plan I think it's incredibly risky. I know you and many others here will have thought through a strategy and can articulate the benefits in this structure, I reckon there are a few taking a leap of faith just looking at the fancy new midfielder that now runs on.
Going to be interesting to see how this pans out, injuries can happen yes but I wouldn't call Gawn injury prone like say a NicNat or Kruzer type. Yeah Gawn had some tough years early for sure this is true, but he's been pretty good these last few years barring the hamstring issue 2017.
Well, Gawn did just hurt his knee in the preseason and missed full training for the entire month of February
I think the risk you are concerned about goes beyond Naismith and is more just questioning the merits of a mid pricer ruck strategy (which is understandable). There are risks and rewards with every type of strategy.
I think the risk you are concerned about goes beyond Naismith and is more just questioning the merits of a mid pricer ruck strategy (which is understandable). There are risks and rewards with every type of strategy.
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Well, Gawn did just hurt his knee in the preseason and missed full training for the entire month of February
I think the risk you are concerned about goes beyond Naismith and is more just questioning the merits of a mid pricer ruck strategy (which is understandable). There are risks and rewards with every type of strategy.
I think the risk you are concerned about goes beyond Naismith and is more just questioning the merits of a mid pricer ruck strategy (which is understandable). There are risks and rewards with every type of strategy.
I'm wondering what peoples thoughts would be if Gawn hadn't of been injured and whether people are self justifying the selection of Naismith putting it down to Gawn's amputated leg this pre-season.
This is simply not true and what has been hard to convince people of, he was back running first week of February
I'm wondering what peoples thoughts would be if Gawn hadn't of been injured and whether people are self justifying the selection of Naismith putting it down to Gawn's amputated leg this pre-season.
I'm wondering what peoples thoughts would be if Gawn hadn't of been injured and whether people are self justifying the selection of Naismith putting it down to Gawn's amputated leg this pre-season.
If Gawn wasn't injured, I'd be much more likely to take him as I would be confident that he would average 125 from the get go.
Ceglar/Naismith plan here. I see R/F cover as being more crucial in the absence of a clear playing R3.
Only 3 rucks played all 22 games in each of 2016 and 2017. 2018 was a freakish year for ruck durability with 8 and we dropped back to 5 last year. Rucking is still a tough combative gig.
If Naismith gets a short term injury then R/F cover gives you a rookie forward score over Naismith (so probably 25 - 30 points down). If Gawn has a short term injury and you have no R/F cover then it’s possibly donuts (130 points down) or a trade. Same for Grundy for no R/F teams.
Agree that a Naismith LTI injury has greater trade exposure than a simple Gawn LTI injury scenario. Either way I see not taking R/F cover as a risk, especially if the GG combo has an injury to manage. (If Grundy has an LTI it’s likely a simple switch to Gawn for Naismith owners initially too)
If the budget priced mid rookies looked better I would be more enticed to go set and forget in the rucks, but @THCLT excellent rookie summary shows just how light on we are this year for rookies with the potential for high disposal counts (traditionally mid classified rookies), and so I am leaning towards putting more $ into the mids to not have as much rookie exposure whilst avoiding mid price mayhem there.
Only 3 rucks played all 22 games in each of 2016 and 2017. 2018 was a freakish year for ruck durability with 8 and we dropped back to 5 last year. Rucking is still a tough combative gig.
If Naismith gets a short term injury then R/F cover gives you a rookie forward score over Naismith (so probably 25 - 30 points down). If Gawn has a short term injury and you have no R/F cover then it’s possibly donuts (130 points down) or a trade. Same for Grundy for no R/F teams.
Agree that a Naismith LTI injury has greater trade exposure than a simple Gawn LTI injury scenario. Either way I see not taking R/F cover as a risk, especially if the GG combo has an injury to manage. (If Grundy has an LTI it’s likely a simple switch to Gawn for Naismith owners initially too)
If the budget priced mid rookies looked better I would be more enticed to go set and forget in the rucks, but @THCLT excellent rookie summary shows just how light on we are this year for rookies with the potential for high disposal counts (traditionally mid classified rookies), and so I am leaning towards putting more $ into the mids to not have as much rookie exposure whilst avoiding mid price mayhem there.
Who would have thought in the first 4 months of summer that the rucks would end coming to a Gawn Vs Naismith camp divide??!!!!!
I can see the pros and cons to both sides. I'm in the Gawn camp, but at least this alternative strategy has arrived, would probably have been boring with we all ended up with the Gawndy combo!
I can see the pros and cons to both sides. I'm in the Gawn camp, but at least this alternative strategy has arrived, would probably have been boring with we all ended up with the Gawndy combo!
Using your example and assuming all other players are the same, Naismith is replacing the worst rookie in our squads. Lets say thats a midfielder,
Our new mid premium replaces our m11, which you still have, our m11 is your m10 and so on. So its the cash generation of Naismith vs your m11 at the cost of the points lost.
Squads obviously wont be the same, but the Naismith side is still replacing the worst $123k rookie.
Our new mid premium replaces our m11, which you still have, our m11 is your m10 and so on. So its the cash generation of Naismith vs your m11 at the cost of the points lost.
Squads obviously wont be the same, but the Naismith side is still replacing the worst $123k rookie.
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