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What do you think are the implications of this in terms of approach? I was thinking:

- don’t overpay for premiums without a good reason,
- perhaps analyze the draw/potential tags more in identifying upgrade targets,
- consider mid pricers more seriously, especially those who could perform at keeper level and/or act as a good pinch hitter
- use corrective trades more actively to ensure you have the right rookies
- jump on almost any decent downgrade target, especially if the pipeline looks thin (it might actually be okay if they simply don’t play round 1)
- err more on squeezing dollars out of each rookie, rather than taking day 80% of their cash gen quickly and moving on to the next one.

Some of the above is obviously a balancing act (eg the last two points) because they conflict somewhat.

Before the preseason started, my plan was to go full GnR to help ensure that I picked every good starting rookie - which is a strategic nuance I hadn’t appreciated until last season.

In a shallow rookie year it will be more important to get on the good rookies (increasing the potential of the rookie heavy GnR approach) but if there simply aren’t enough half decent rookies playing, then rookie number 18-20 may not be worth selecting anyway.
For me the other thing to note is that not every rookie has to be a world beater.. A Tobe Watson or a Max King sitting on your bench averaging 50-55 is still doing his job (appreciating in value) given the cheaper starting price.... yes its handy to have high scoring rookies as backup but in reality they are just there to make you $$$
 
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so many too choose from , ranked by price (under Rowell's price) for each position , using pen and paper so apologize for any errors

* = DPP which means Dual Position Player
✓ = participated in both Marsh games

Defender

Ash * ✓
Hill *
Guthrie ✓
Zerk-Thatcher ✓
McAsey
Murphy , T
Starcevich * ✓
Williamson
Brander * ✓

Briggs
Butts
Greaves ✓
Jarvis
Keane
Kennerley ✓
McLennan ✓
Murphy , N
Watson ✓
Bianco
Gould
McBride

Midfield

Rowell ✓
Anderson ✓
Caldwell
Wilson
Stephens , D ✓
Markov
Serong ✓
Green ✓
Stephens , C

Brown ✓
Collier-Dawkins
McHenry
McInerney ✓
O'Halloran
O'Neill
Pickett ✓
Shipley
Wicks
Philip
Dow ✓
Randall
Robertson
Sharp ✓
Warner
Brayshaw, H

Ruck

Jackson ✓
Coleman-Jones * ✓
Cameron *
De Koning ✓
Knoll
Sweet
Williams , Goddard *
Xerri * ✓
Nyuon

Forward

Bonar * ✓
Stengle ✓
Sparrow
Dixon ✓
Frampton
Kropenyeri-Pickett
Crocker ✓
Polson ✓
Gardner
Georgiades ✓

Aarts
Ballenden
Bedford
Bosenavulagi
Cox
Davis ✓
King ✓
McAdam
McFayden
Smith , E *
Sturt ✓
Taylor ✓
Walker
Frederick
Jones
Mahony *✓
Treacy
Close *
Budarick * ✓
 
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Sounds positive! But on Budarick only the author's tone was less bullish...

The trio of top-end talent could also be joined by Connor Budarick, a Gold Coast academy product taken as a rookie last year, who has made a persuasive argument for inclusion with strong pre-season efforts.

The inclusions, along with recruits Brandon Ellis and Hugh Greenwood, will make the Suns a significantly different-looking line-up to last season’s wooden spooners, albeit they will be younger again this year with the debutants.
Alex Sexton, the Suns' leading goal kicker of the last two years, is also still a chance for round one despite tweaking a hamstring against Adelaide at the weekend.
"They [Rowell and Anderson] will be hard to keep out. They are tracking really well, Connor Budarick as well,” coach Stuart Dew said.
 
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Article on FoxSports has clubs predicted 22 for Round 1 (obviously just people's opinion) + injury lists

worth a read

GWS side might upset a few ? , mind you they have Ward in the centre and also listed on the injury list , so maybe the work experience team wrote the whole article

you really think they would actually check articles before releasing them
 
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Sounds positive! But on Budarick only the author's tone was less bullish...

The trio of top-end talent could also be joined by Connor Budarick, a Gold Coast academy product taken as a rookie last year, who has made a persuasive argument for inclusion with strong pre-season efforts.

The inclusions, along with recruits Brandon Ellis and Hugh Greenwood, will make the Suns a significantly different-looking line-up to last season’s wooden spooners, albeit they will be younger again this year with the debutants.
Alex Sexton, the Suns' leading goal kicker of the last two years, is also still a chance for round one despite tweaking a hamstring against Adelaide at the weekend.
"They [Rowell and Anderson] will be hard to keep out. They are tracking really well, Connor Budarick as well,” coach Stuart Dew said.
I've posted this before but one of my favourite football stories.
Tommy Hafey used to ring Kevin Bartlett every Friday night and tell him how he thought he was one of the main keys to Richmond winning the next day. Bartlett couldn't believe how much the coach loved him and made sure he had a good nights sleep and was determined to repay Hafey's thoughts by playing well the next day. It was only many years after Bartlett retired he learnt that Hafey would call every single player on Friday night to tell them how they were the main key to Richmond winning.
 
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At his price, I needed to see a bit more than a 36 average. Happy to jump on late if he looks a must have.
I think this is the trap this year - with a lot of the likely looking rookies being in the 180-200k range we're losing 1-2 weeks of cash gen right off the bat.

Then there's the added risk of a higher-priced rookie putting up a 30-40 in a given week, meaning that their cash gen is basically shot for another couple of weeks.
 
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So potentially two donuts on the midfield bench? Could be trouble early if say Green goes out for Ward, then suddenly you have no midfield bench.... I’m looking at maybe Anderson on the bench where say none of TWatson/Robertson/BWilliams get selected to at least have a heartbeat there but that sort of strategy may not be for everyone. I think Hibberd probably will need 3 or so proper VFL games before being considered for AFL selection given his interrupted preseason...
Ward isn't back for at least 4 weeks - he hadn't even joined back training with the main group by mid-Feb and every player who has come back from an AFL trots out the same old line (it's feeling "good" so I'll set a timeline for when I will be back playing again now).

If Green plays well enough then he's a solid chance to hold his spot and preserve the "play Cogs more in the forward line" idea they had prior to Taranto getting hurt.
 
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not at all confident, but pretty sure he wouldn't stay out of the team for great lengths though so it could be a risk worth taking?
Hmmm, I remember Hately last year - how good he be dropped going into round 8 with 2 consecutive high SC scores, sat there until round 17. It was at that point I realised leon Cameron isn't playing SC.

The teams stacked with talent, even if Ash makes the round 1 team it's going to be a week by week basis on being selected, so many options knocking that door down.
 
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Not going anywhere near Ash I don't think. Cumming has gone ahead of him and Williams being back Round 2-3 could make things awkward.

For what it's worth, Coniglio was interviewed at Captain's Day and said that he expects Tom Green to play quite a bit. Said that he's a bit different to their other mids because of his height. Sounded pretty positive that Green could stay in the team.
 
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Not going anywhere near Ash I don't think. Cumming has gone ahead of him and Williams being back Round 2-3 could make things awkward.

For what it's worth, Coniglio was interviewed at Captain's Day and said that he expects Tom Green to play quite a bit. Said that he's a bit different to their other mids because of his height. Sounded pretty positive that Green could stay in the team.
at this stage I have gone the same, no Ash, Green in
 
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